how long till hybrid lorries
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Max_Torque said:
For prime-movers doing local delivery type operations then heavy hybridisation, exhaust heat recovery, or full Electrification makes a lot of sense (low average speed, lots of stop starting), but for longer distance inter-city operations then alternate solutions are starting to be developed:
What they should do is fit that with metal wheels. The wheels could fit onto metal "rails". Then put lots of other trailers behind it in some sort of train. The trucks could roll onto a flatbed train and then off the other end for long distance work.
Simultaneously charging the truck's batteries. The train could run at 80mph, not 60mph. The hybrid truck would then run onto normal urban roads with kinetic energy reclaim. The driver can drive more as while on the train his hours are not being run up.
Simultaneously charging the truck's batteries. The train could run at 80mph, not 60mph. The hybrid truck would then run onto normal urban roads with kinetic energy reclaim. The driver can drive more as while on the train his hours are not being run up.
RayTay said:
The trucks could roll onto a flatbed train and then off the other end for long distance work.
Simultaneously charging the truck's batteries. The train could run at 80mph, not 60mph. The hybrid truck would then run onto normal urban roads with kinetic energy reclaim. The driver can drive more as while on the train his hours are not being run up.
Bridges aren't tall enough.....Simultaneously charging the truck's batteries. The train could run at 80mph, not 60mph. The hybrid truck would then run onto normal urban roads with kinetic energy reclaim. The driver can drive more as while on the train his hours are not being run up.
some are. But if this takes off it would need a new line from say London to Birmingham and then to the north west and Yorks ina Y configuration. Oh isn't that HS2? They could use HS2 and put the passenger trains back on the WCML and ECML with bottlenecks removed to give similar HS2 journey times as HS2. Then the trucks can run at 150mph on the trains.
Edited by RayTay on Tuesday 4th July 08:41
RayTay said:
some are. But if this tales off it would a new line from say London to Birmingham and then to the north west and Yorks. Oh isn't that HS2? They could use HS2 and put the passenger trains back on the WCML and ECML with bottlenecks removed to give similar HS2 journey times as HS2. Then the trucks can run at 150mph on the trains.
Good idea - a couple of problems.Does the driver stay with the truck?
Does he get paid whilst the truck is on the train?
Inductive Charging is the way forwards. No need for ugly overhead wires.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/aug/2...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/aug/2...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging
Edited by RayTay on Tuesday 4th July 09:30
Birmingham to introduce UK’s first battery-operated trams:
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Jonnny said:
Is solar panels on the roof of the truck/trailer a stupid idea?
Absolute maximum size - 2.5m x 16.5m = 41.25m2. Let's call it 40m2.Solar panels give about 1kW per m2 theoretical max, and optimistically about 20% efficiency. So that's 40kw x .2 = 8kW.
Do we think a fully charged Tesla Model S 90kWh battery would power a 38t truck for 11 hours...? It powers a Tesla for a bit over 300 miles, so I think we can guess that's going to be a big fat "no", can't we?
And what would happen at night...? We're also ignoring the fact that the panels would never be pointing the optimum direction.
It might add a bit to the range, on a good day, but not much more than that.
TooMany2cvs said:
Jonnny said:
Is solar panels on the roof of the truck/trailer a stupid idea?
Absolute maximum size - 2.5m x 16.5m = 41.25m2. Let's call it 40m2.Solar panels give about 1kW per m2 theoretical max, and optimistically about 20% efficiency. So that's 40kw x .2 = 8kW.
Do we think a fully charged Tesla Model S 90kWh battery would power a 38t truck for 11 hours...? It powers a Tesla for a bit over 300 miles, so I think we can guess that's going to be a big fat "no", can't we?
And what would happen at night...? We're also ignoring the fact that the panels would never be pointing the optimum direction.
It might add a bit to the range, on a good day, but not much more than that.
some trailers spend most of the time sat around, some companies are week day/day drives only, if the coverage and fleet were big enough they could be hooked up together to form some sort of storage grid. or even power the refrigeration unit!
Model 3 Tesla's may be built with Panasonic 180w sollar roof which will give it a staggering 2.2 mile extra range
https://electrek.co/2017/02/28/tesla-model-3-solar...
This is all about driving forward technology to gain that extra free resource instead of relying on fossil fuels for future of modern transport.
Edited by bmw320ci on Tuesday 4th July 15:01
jonwm said:
My company are running a fully electric 7.5t for deliveries in Bristol City Centre
OK, great. What's battery capacity, what's the payload hit, and what's the real-world range?jonwm said:
also looking into Solar mats for arctics, not to drive them as such but for powering ancillaries and chill trailers which are generally ran from diesel.
And, for that, it makes sense - not least because you have most charge at the same time as you have most demand for refrigeration. But, even so, there's still going to have to be battery-backing. How much diesel does a typical refrigerated trailer get through?TooMany2cvs said:
jonwm said:
My company are running a fully electric 7.5t for deliveries in Bristol City Centre
OK, great. What's battery capacity, what's the payload hit, and what's the real-world range?jonwm said:
also looking into Solar mats for arctics, not to drive them as such but for powering ancillaries and chill trailers which are generally ran from diesel.
And, for that, it makes sense - not least because you have most charge at the same time as you have most demand for refrigeration. But, even so, there's still going to have to be battery-backing. How much diesel does a typical refrigerated trailer get through?At work on campus we have a fleet of Nissan NV200 EV's and golf karts.
I noticed in a motor museum last weekn there was a 7.5 Ton DAF Hybrid that they say is on the roads already - looks like any other DAF truck so you probably wouldnt notice, unless it ran over you when crossing the road and not looking...
I noticed in a motor museum last weekn there was a 7.5 Ton DAF Hybrid that they say is on the roads already - looks like any other DAF truck so you probably wouldnt notice, unless it ran over you when crossing the road and not looking...
mickthemechanic said:
Hybrid buses are no problem. Some truck applications like refuse collection as mentioned are ok. General HGV trucks are a bit of a problem as there is not enough regeneration opportunities so you end up lugging a big flat battery around using more fuel .
Wouldn't the range extender model be the optimal solution in that case? No emissions when at a standstill, use the electric motors to pull away and drive then use the fossil fuel engine as a generator once the vehicle is under way? vsonix said:
Wouldn't the range extender model be the optimal solution in that case? No emissions when at a standstill, use the electric motors to pull away and drive then use the fossil fuel engine as a generator once the vehicle is under way?
That's basically how the hybrid London buses work.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff