New Lithium batteries with 3 times the storage

New Lithium batteries with 3 times the storage

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RayTay

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467 posts

97 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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The lithium-ion battery has been given THREE times the storage by a 96 yr old man, Dr John Goodenough. THREE times the storage of the current Li-ion batteries, smaller, a 5 minute charge time, is non-flammable, lighter, with NO degradation after several thousand charging cycles. And, it's ready for production, and should be cheaper to produce. Smart phones will last 4 days not one day. If it goes to market in volume and the price drops as a result, this is `game changer`. Full EVs are then here and bye, bye polluting petro fuels. It is also the other applications that add much value overall. I can see them in battery trains to save on the excessive cost of overhead wires and planes. with a generator on board.

As a retrofit a battery set change will triple the range of a plug-in Prius. It will also capture more kinetic energy as well. The car is transformed by as simple battery change.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/03/17...

Edited by RayTay on Monday 3rd July 09:59

LuS1fer

41,086 posts

244 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Wow, then we can be bored for 3 times longer than normal.

I'll stick to my petrol engines until they outlaw petrol.

My mate has a Nissan Leaf and I just can't start talking about it. wink

silver1011

318 posts

215 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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LuS1fer said:
My mate has a Nissan Leaf and I just can't start talking about it. wink
The fact its faster to 30 mph than your car hurts does it!?

laugh

The Moose

22,821 posts

208 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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I wonder at what point the copper into the building becomes the limiting factor for battery charging speed.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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The Moose said:
I wonder at what point the copper into the building becomes the limiting factor for battery charging speed.
It's pretty bloody close already. A Tesla supercharger is apparently capable of 145kW between a pair of outlets - they apparently run at 480v, so that's 300A - or 120kW per car - 250A. These are likely to be US figures.

The single phase transformer (installed three years ago!) that serves our house and eight others is fused at 200A, rated at 300A.

LuS1fer

41,086 posts

244 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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silver1011 said:
The fact its faster to 30 mph than your car hurts does it!?

laugh
i know I shouldn't rise to this but it did pique my curiosity and it seems to be an urban myth - Not even good for that:
0-30: 3.4 seconds (car and driver)
0-60: 10.2 seconds (car and driver)

Fiesta ST - 2.2 seconds (several thousand £ cheaper)
Standard Mustang GT - 1.9 seconds (several thousand glances more attractive but far less depreciation)

Of course, electric car pub bores will never accept that...they know how to torque. wink and, funnily enough, 0-30 is a really hard figure to find, I tried googling a Focus Ecoboost but that figure can't be found so it's easy to big up on electric cars. So ends my conspiracy theory.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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RayTay said:
The lithium-ion battery has been given THREE times the storage by a 96 yr old man, Dr John Goodenough. THREE times the storage of the current Li-ion batteries, smaller, a 5 minute charge time, is non-flammable, lighter, with NO degradation after several thousand charging cycles. And, it's ready for production, and should be cheaper to produce. Smart phones will last 4 days not one day. If it goes to market in volume and the price drops as a result, this is `game changer`. Full EVs are then here and bye, bye polluting petro fuels. It is also the other applications that add much value overall. I can see them in battery trains to save on the excessive cost of overhead wires and planes. with a generator on board.

As a retrofit a battery set change will triple the range of a plug-in Prius. It will also capture more kinetic energy as well. The car is changed by as simple battery change.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/03/17...
You could fill the internet with stories about 'game changing' batteries.

They are simply people seeking funding publicised by green nutjobs/ideologues with an agenda to make you believe a new energy paradigm is possible - it isn't.

There are millions of interesting lab scale batteries and effects, they never see the light of day.

If you read the article you'd have noticed all the usual red-flag caveats you always get in suck 'miracle' battery development articles.

silver1011

318 posts

215 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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LuS1fer said:
i know I shouldn't rise to this but it did pique my curiosity and it seems to be an urban myth - Not even good for that:
0-30: 3.4 seconds (car and driver)
0-60: 10.2 seconds (car and driver)

Fiesta ST - 2.2 seconds (several thousand £ cheaper)
Standard Mustang GT - 1.9 seconds (several thousand glances more attractive but far less depreciation)

Of course, electric car pub bores will never accept that...they know how to torque. wink and, funnily enough, 0-30 is a really hard figure to find, I tried googling a Focus Ecoboost but that figure can't be found so it's easy to big up on electric cars. So ends my conspiracy theory.
Come on, talk about apples and oranges. The Focus Ecoboost would be a good comparison, a Fiesta ST is not.

There are loads of video's on Youtube showing EV's beating sports cars from 0 - 30 mph, which for urban driving is where you want the advantage to be.

https://youtu.be/Iyk8p4fh6mw

LuS1fer

41,086 posts

244 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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silver1011 said:
Come on, talk about apples and oranges. The Focus Ecoboost would be a good comparison, a Fiesta ST is not.

There are loads of video's on Youtube showing EV's beating sports cars from 0 - 30 mph, which for urban driving is where you want the advantage to be.

https://youtu.be/Iyk8p4fh6mw
Which is why I said the figure was hard to find.
As for comparisons, it's price you have to look at.

I am not intrinsically against electric cars, they have their place, for some people but I see no advantage in fractions of a second over having a better, more characterful car you don't have to worry about the range on.
I could make do with a Leaf for the journeys I do but after having been in one, I just have no interest in owning one.
If it weren't for leases, I doubt they would sell any.

Besides which, if you're actually "flooring it" on the EV, every time you want to get to 30, to get that "advantage", your range is going to diminish rapidly.

ging84

8,829 posts

145 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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why does every thread with anything about electric cars always have to get instantly derailed by someone feeling thier need to vent about thier hatred for electric / hybrid cars.

No one gives a fk that you don't like electric cars

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Lab experiments promissing a step change in battery performance are sadly much more common than anything producable on a commercial scale. One day there will be an exception to that, but I wont believe this is that exception until I see them start to appear in consumer devices.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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silver1011 said:
LuS1fer said:
My mate has a Nissan Leaf and I just can't start talking about it. wink
The fact its faster to 30 mph than your car hurts does it!?

laugh
Just checked out the Nissan Leaf 0-30mph and 0-50km/h times.

Pretty unimpressive

The Moose

22,821 posts

208 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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ging84 said:
why does every thread with anything about electric cars always have to get instantly derailed by someone feeling thier need to vent about thier hatred for electric / hybrid cars.

No one gives a fk that you don't like electric cars
I don't see it going that way at all...

silver1011

318 posts

215 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Kawasicki said:
Just checked out the Nissan Leaf 0-30mph and 0-50km/h times.

Pretty unimpressive
Compared with what?

silver1011

318 posts

215 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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LuS1fer said:
Besides which, if you're actually "flooring it" on the EV, every time you want to get to 30, to get that "advantage", your range is going to diminish rapidly.
You don't have to floor it, however hard you press the accelerator as long as you do the same in the non-EV the difference remains.

akirk

5,376 posts

113 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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silver1011 said:
LuS1fer said:
My mate has a Nissan Leaf and I just can't start talking about it. wink
The fact its faster to 30 mph than your car hurts does it!?

laugh
who cares? biggrin
if you are in an environment where acceleration is important then then limit won't be 30mph but much higher in which case virtually any car will outstrip a leaf...
if you are in a place where 30mph is the limit then who cares about acceleration...

silver1011

318 posts

215 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Me, this is a motoring forum!

Plug Life

978 posts

90 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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LuS1fer said:
I'll stick to my petrol engines until they outlaw petrol.
You Neanderthals should direct the exhaust pipes into the cockpit and enjoy your ICE crap even more!

Stu08

696 posts

116 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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I am on the correct forum?

For people who enjoy the experience of driving? I'm noticing more eco-warriors posting about how EV's are the future and how horrible and polluting IC cars are.

Yes we need to think about kittens etc. but there is far more to saving the planet than just car pollution - which I won't pretend to understand.

However, right now I will find far more excitement in driving a mk4 Supra TT than any Tesla. Sure the Tesla is faster but I couldn't care less.

If you're really THAT concerned with cars from an environmental point of view - especially to the point of seemingly disliking IC cars; this could be the wrong forum for you.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Stu08 said:
I am on the correct forum?

For people who enjoy the experience of driving? I'm noticing more eco-warriors posting about how EV's are the future and how horrible and polluting IC cars are.
It's fair to say that "Plug Life" is probably a bit of a troll...