New Lithium batteries with 3 times the storage
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RayTay said:
The piston/crank engine is highly inefficient due to its inherent design. It cannot be improved to any level of efficiency or tolerable emissions for the planet and humans breathing in the exhaust. It is way past the end of its sell by date for sure. The line has been drawn. It should have gone decades ago in favour of rotaries. But a rotary is an ICE as well and would have only have extended the pain of these unsuitable engines.
Just about everything about the ICE is wrong.
Rotaries should have replaced piston engines because of better efficiency? Just about everything about the ICE is wrong.
Mr2Mike said:
Rotaries should have replaced piston engines because of better efficiency?
If the R&D had gone into them of course they would be more efficient as they have great advantages in size, weight and smoothness. Mazda is looking at them for hybrid purposes to run at constant speed as hybrid genny's. All too late as full EVs will take hold. A rotary genny may have 10 years life after introduction.Edited by RayTay on Friday 21st July 02:19
You've no doubt heard me use the phrase 'Cost Parity' as the point at which EV's become common place, well, as expected, today the first of the big OEMs fired their broadside:
VW_ID_undercuts_Model3
Ok, not due until 2020, but word on the street is that VW is crashing the development to bring the launch forwards........
Expect the rest of the OEMs to respond in similar fashion over the next few months!
VW_ID_undercuts_Model3
Ok, not due until 2020, but word on the street is that VW is crashing the development to bring the launch forwards........
Expect the rest of the OEMs to respond in similar fashion over the next few months!
RayTay said:
Max_Torque said:
Overall, when you add it all up, i simply can't see an EV having a higher build footprint that a modern complex ICE.
They cannot as they have little in them to an ICE setup.I've had an EV since 2015 so I'd say I was one of the earlier to convert, but listening to you I'm tempted to go back to being a gas guzzler. Your attitude is not endearing which will actually prohibit people wanting to follow in your footpath.
Heres Johnny said:
just lots of batteries that use rare earth metals and shrouded in titanium
I've had an EV since 2015 so I'd say I was one of the earlier to convert, but listening to you I'm tempted to go back to being a gas guzzler. Your attitude is not endearing which will actually prohibit people wanting to follow in your footpath.
Spend more money on an ICE car. Be my guest. You obviously do not like facts. I have an attitude that likes hard facts. I've had an EV since 2015 so I'd say I was one of the earlier to convert, but listening to you I'm tempted to go back to being a gas guzzler. Your attitude is not endearing which will actually prohibit people wanting to follow in your footpath.
RayTay said:
pend more money on an ICE car. Be my guest. You obviously do not like facts. I have an attitude that likes hard facts.
If you want facts, read mckinzey, one if the worlds leading strategy consultants, their view on costs...EV has a long way behind parityBut one day....
https://electrek.co/2017/01/30/electric-vehicle-ba...
Heres Johnny said:
If you want facts, read mckinzey, one if the worlds leading strategy consultants, their view on costs...EV has a long way behind parity
But one day....
https://electrek.co/2017/01/30/electric-vehicle-ba...
Thank you. That is nearer than you think. I know McKinsey having worked with them. They highlight that in 6 short years battery pack prices have tumbled, dropping 77%, and will continue to do so. That is using the current battery technology. This report is over 6 months old. Since then China have announced it is setting up major plants leaving Tesla looking like a side show and also breakthroughs in battery technology have been announced. Then there is the mass production of electric motors and the rest of the car, of which there is little of it to make, that again will bring down costs. And also the ramping up of EV charging point infrastructure. All looks very good indeed.But one day....
https://electrek.co/2017/01/30/electric-vehicle-ba...
This report does not mention this, but others predict the tipping point towards EVs will be only 6 years.
Max_Torque said:
You've no doubt heard me use the phrase 'Cost Parity' as the point at which EV's become common place, well, as expected, today the first of the big OEMs fired their broadside:
VW_ID_undercuts_Model3
Ok, not due until 2020, but word on the street is that VW is crashing the development to bring the launch forwards........
Expect the rest of the OEMs to respond in similar fashion over the next few months!
Given the battery manufacturing capacity that's due to come in the next few years I'd suspect that sort of price curve for all EV cars.VW_ID_undercuts_Model3
Ok, not due until 2020, but word on the street is that VW is crashing the development to bring the launch forwards........
Expect the rest of the OEMs to respond in similar fashion over the next few months!
This is exactly what capitalism is suited to - taking something that is desirable, expensive and rare and then turning it into a cheap everyday commodity.
RayTay said:
t is too old. Matters have moved on in motor design and battery advancements. x2 and x 3 breakthroughs. You been continuously been told this but it does not sink in.
Then lets put this to bed. When, in the last seven years, has there been a 3x increase in energy density of manufactured lithium ion batteries? If you can answer this, then we can draw a line underneath it.RayTay said:
f the R&D had gone into them of course they would be more efficient as they have great advantages in size, weight and smoothness. Mazda is looking them for hybrid purposes to run at constant speed as hybrid genny's. All too late as EVs will take hold. A rotary genny may have 10 years life after introduction.
You seem to have this mental block when it comes to efficiency. Having something smaller and lighter doesn't help much if you need to burn significantly more fuel for the same power output due to problems with the fundamental design of the engine. You are living in a dream world if you think the wankel could ever best piston engines in terms of efficiency.Edited by Mr2Mike on Monday 17th July 21:18
RayTay said:
Heres Johnny said:
If you really want to wind up a Tesla owner who thinks the sun shines out of Elons exhaust pipe
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/09/ele...
Oh my God they scrape the barrel don't they! And IC engined cars have no parts made by cheap or child labour? What world are these people in? Found out who makes your GAP sweater?https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/09/ele...
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/11/she...
But you're still off doing your confused mix of EVs ARE great with EVs WILL be great..
You can't justify EVs as being dead simple and cheap, and then agree to an article that says price parity will be in 5-6 years. You also can't say 'short years' as if that's any quicker.
A tesla is a 30k car strapped to a 30k battery. The Model 3 has entered production but it could well be a 10k car strapped to a 20k battery.
Mr2Mike said:
You seem to have this mental block when it comes to efficiency. Having something smaller and lighter doesn't help much if you need to burn significantly more fuel for the same power output due to problems with the fundamental design of the engine. You are living in a dream world if you think the wankel could ever best piston engines in terms of efficiency.
You must keep up with matters. A wankel with HCCI ign and running as a constant speed genny outstrips a piston/crank engine in that operation. Then the small size and weight and smoothness in cars has great appeal.Edited by RayTay on Wednesday 19th July 18:00
RayTay said:
ou must keep up with matters. A wankel with HCCI ign and running as a constant speed genny outstrips a piston/crank engine in that operation. Then the small size and weight and smoothness in cars has great appeal.
Please forgive me I don't accept that at face value. Your random assertions, and constant confusion between current and past developments and possible future developments means your posts are hugely unreliable at best. Show me some actual evidence that such an engine is being made at the moment.Edited by RayTay on Wednesday 19th July 18:00
IIRC you made this claim last year and were shot down then, by more knowledgable people than I.
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