Electric - It shouldn't need my 12 year old to tell you..
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That would certainly be a good way to silence people claiming EVs have the same range or can be refuelled/recharged as fast as internal combustion powered vehicles.
I mean, you'd have to find the people making that argument first, but still, if there are any, you've certainly got them there.
I mean, you'd have to find the people making that argument first, but still, if there are any, you've certainly got them there.
OldDuffer said:
I propose a bet. Money-where-mouth is. Any of you battery tech advocates want to take me on?
A 'range-over-time-taken to cover it contest. First one to do 700 miles, on EV or CNG in one vehilcle. £5000 to the winner?
You in a Leaf or any other EV. Me in my old wreck or using my brother's Caddy. We can pass charging points if you like. Legal speeds. Two passengers from opposing sides to assure fair play.
Come on, no mouth and trousers, money-where-mouth is? You've wonderous battery tech and my complete misunderstanding of it on your side. I'm the idiot here.
All that Mush bull, you're going to have me for breakfast. Serious about your tech against mine? We can lodge stakes with a solicitor or similar. Serious? I am. Completely.
Come now, take me on.
Why are you so angry?A 'range-over-time-taken to cover it contest. First one to do 700 miles, on EV or CNG in one vehilcle. £5000 to the winner?
You in a Leaf or any other EV. Me in my old wreck or using my brother's Caddy. We can pass charging points if you like. Legal speeds. Two passengers from opposing sides to assure fair play.
Come on, no mouth and trousers, money-where-mouth is? You've wonderous battery tech and my complete misunderstanding of it on your side. I'm the idiot here.
All that Mush bull, you're going to have me for breakfast. Serious about your tech against mine? We can lodge stakes with a solicitor or similar. Serious? I am. Completely.
Come now, take me on.
Edited by OldDuffer on Monday 18th September 15:57
Because i don't undertand any of the points you've made, and you're not follow-the-mantra morons, it's me.
I reckon I'm safe by about 300 miles, but I could be proved wrong. I'll see you at a 1000 miles before you get to 500 and be a nearer a day ahead too.
But to be sure, we'll keep the bet as it is.
We'll empty my tank of petrol save a pint to start my car. Sorry I will need some.
I am the halfwit here, not you. Be certain of it. I don't understand these cells at all. these wonderous cells are going to cut me up. You'd enjoy taking my money wouldn't you? I'll even allow you to look smug as you take it.
Come on, take me on.
I reckon I'm safe by about 300 miles, but I could be proved wrong. I'll see you at a 1000 miles before you get to 500 and be a nearer a day ahead too.
But to be sure, we'll keep the bet as it is.
We'll empty my tank of petrol save a pint to start my car. Sorry I will need some.
I am the halfwit here, not you. Be certain of it. I don't understand these cells at all. these wonderous cells are going to cut me up. You'd enjoy taking my money wouldn't you? I'll even allow you to look smug as you take it.
Come on, take me on.
I'm not angry, I'm excited. Excited by the conviction you all seem to have for the new religion. This wonderous tech is going to see my a%^e kicked. It's all because it's not a NiCad battery anymore see. I'm jsut too dim to see it, whereas you are the enlightened. I have just not seen the light.
Don't be selfish. Share it with me.
Don't be selfish. Share it with me.
Edited by OldDuffer on Monday 18th September 16:27
schmunk said:
No no. Thank me later.Gary C said:
OD Why are you being such a prick.
I'm no blind fan of EV but your coming across as a closed minded knob.
Time to lock this thread and start a real discussion.
It's a habit of mine. I'm no blind fan of EV but your coming across as a closed minded knob.
Time to lock this thread and start a real discussion.
I'm sure it won't be long before this thread does get closed. Would be interesting to see.
They were coming in thick and fast, falling over to side with the other at my complete ignorance. My inabilty to grasp the subleties of the new sacred text. Even how I define cells in batteries. Already one their number quickly sits on the fence, and side-steps money-and-mouth.
A distance tiem race where miles on petrol/LPG or die-sel are void. I htink it's a great idea.
So we'll see.
Edited by OldDuffer on Monday 18th September 18:11
Gary C said:
OD Why are you being such a prick.
I'm no blind fan of EV but your coming across as a closed minded knob.
Time to lock this thread and start a real discussion.
It's a habit of mine. I'm no blind fan of EV but your coming across as a closed minded knob.
Time to lock this thread and start a real discussion.
I'm sure it won't be long before this thread does get closed. Would be interesting to see.
They were coming in thick and fast, falling over to side with the other at my complete ignorance. My inabilty to grasp the subleties of the new sacred text. Even how I define cells in batteries. Already one their number quickly sits on the fence, and side-steps money-and-mouth.
A set distance-time race where miles on petrol/LPG or die-sel are void. I think it's a great idea.
So we'll see.
Edited by OldDuffer on Monday 18th September 18:12
OldDuffer said:
Already one their number quickly sits on the fence, and side-steps money-and-mouth.
A distance tiem race where miles on petrol/LPG or die-sel are void. I htink it's a great idea.
I'm not sitting on the fence. You are inventing ways to disprove things that were never stated.A distance tiem race where miles on petrol/LPG or die-sel are void. I htink it's a great idea.
Where do you get this idea that people think an EV is better than an internal combustion vehicle for doing long distances?
I am an Old duffer Too, well 72 next birthday, last June we toured the Scottish North Coast 500 total miles from Berkshire & back 2400 Miles, including Island of Mull around to John O Groats. We charged overnight or when taking meal breaks, Etc. Total energy cost at Off Peak Tariff when setting off from home was £1- 68p all the Leccy on route was paid by Tesla & a few Rapids paid for by Charge Place Scotland. We had the most relaxing & tireless drive thanks to Auto Pilot & TACC, Not a hint of sleepy eyes at the wheel as we usually had a coffee (made in the car while on Charge) from our supplies in the Frunk. If you drive more than 300 Miles without a break, I feel ( according Highway Code) you would be a danger on the roads. This is why the Gov. are tightening up on driver fatigue with big rises of so many falling asleep at the wheel. I hope No one takes you up on driving long distances, EV's are the way forward in so man ways, costs, pollution, waste, economics, resources, production workforces, Technical, environmental. ETC. Etc.
OldDuffer said:
Because i don't undertand any of the points you've made, and you're not follow-the-mantra morons, it's me.
I reckon I'm safe by about 300 miles, but I could be proved wrong. I'll see you at a 1000 miles before you get to 500 and be a nearer a day ahead too.
But to be sure, we'll keep the bet as it is.
We'll empty my tank of petrol save a pint to start my car. Sorry I will need some.
I am the halfwit here, not you. Be certain of it. I don't understand these cells at all. these wonderous cells are going to cut me up. You'd enjoy taking my money wouldn't you? I'll even allow you to look smug as you take it.
Come on, take me on.
These are some high mileages you're quoting, 300, 700, 1000 etc. I reckon I'm safe by about 300 miles, but I could be proved wrong. I'll see you at a 1000 miles before you get to 500 and be a nearer a day ahead too.
But to be sure, we'll keep the bet as it is.
We'll empty my tank of petrol save a pint to start my car. Sorry I will need some.
I am the halfwit here, not you. Be certain of it. I don't understand these cells at all. these wonderous cells are going to cut me up. You'd enjoy taking my money wouldn't you? I'll even allow you to look smug as you take it.
Come on, take me on.
The average mileage per person is said to be about 10,000 per annum. That's 27 a day.
You say the Leaf can't do the mileages but I think they'll do 27 a day.
OD, I have the strongest suspicion that your 12 year old is developing a habit of saying things he knows you want to hear. Perhaps you're a bit overbearing (evidence points to this) and he just wants a quiet life. Do you challenge him to monetary wagers whenever he doesn't agree with you?
If the weight of evidence here (and elsewhere) doesn't convince you, then nothing will.
As a small aside, as a youngster, I was into RC modelling. ALL model RC aircraft then were powered by small glow plug 2 stroke engines, I have no recollection of ever seeing an electric one. Nowadays, they're overwhelmingly LiPoly, a tiny number of gas turbine, and a few glow. I'm not going to hypothesize on why that may be, but I'd very much like you to.
If the weight of evidence here (and elsewhere) doesn't convince you, then nothing will.
As a small aside, as a youngster, I was into RC modelling. ALL model RC aircraft then were powered by small glow plug 2 stroke engines, I have no recollection of ever seeing an electric one. Nowadays, they're overwhelmingly LiPoly, a tiny number of gas turbine, and a few glow. I'm not going to hypothesize on why that may be, but I'd very much like you to.
Edited by FeelingLucky on Wednesday 20th September 17:18
Edited by FeelingLucky on Sunday 24th September 19:50
So what have we learnt
Electric cars can't go as far as any type ot IC car. .... Shocker
Electric cars take quite awhile to recharge ....... Shocker
We all know this so why is there stupid challenges going on ?
Back to original post
Cells are not good enough to replace an IC and give identical overal performance. Will they in the future ? Don't know. Lots of research is taking place with many interesting areas, even redox flow cells ( now they would be good, the anion and cation are liquids and depleted charge can be drained and recharged fluids pumped in in a couple of minutes) but they have some major technical challenges to make them suitable for automotive use.
So, yes, we are going to have reduced mobility with ev, the question should be, why are we doing it.
Electric cars can't go as far as any type ot IC car. .... Shocker
Electric cars take quite awhile to recharge ....... Shocker
We all know this so why is there stupid challenges going on ?
Back to original post
Cells are not good enough to replace an IC and give identical overal performance. Will they in the future ? Don't know. Lots of research is taking place with many interesting areas, even redox flow cells ( now they would be good, the anion and cation are liquids and depleted charge can be drained and recharged fluids pumped in in a couple of minutes) but they have some major technical challenges to make them suitable for automotive use.
So, yes, we are going to have reduced mobility with ev, the question should be, why are we doing it.
Gary C said:
So, yes, we are going to have reduced mobility with ev, the question should be, why are we doing it.
Nail on head! I'm sure electric cars will catch up and be just as useful in day to day life as an ICE.We are doing it because it is apparently better for the environment... Which it just isn't!
Prizam said:
We are doing it because it is apparently better for the environment... Which it just isn't!
Have anyone of you driven an EV?I'm about take delivery of the cheapest/slowest eletric SUV Tesla sells, yet its still gets to 60mph just as quick as a top of the range SQ7, and in real life with access to 100% torque all of the time its a far nicer drive.
Most EV owners on here have/do own some very nice combustion cars, yet your find hardly any who will swap their EV back to a combustion car.
I love my EV not because it doesn't have as much range as a combustion car, nor because there still isnt enough rapid chargers, or because its cost x3 more than what Ive paid for any car before.....
I love my EV DESPITE all of the above, because its the best car I've driven/owned ever.
I would have thought on a fourm where people car about their car rather than just look at numbers people would understand the importance of the driving experience above and beyond all other things.
For me EVs are simply better cars its as simple as that.
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