Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...

Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...

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hyphen

26,262 posts

90 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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jamoor said:
Tiny city state doesn't encourage car ownership shocker.

In the rest of the world we have multiple cities and rural areas.
Then why is the CEO of Tesla not as clever as you and so bothered?

hyphen

26,262 posts

90 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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DonkeyApple said:
He’s not interested in selling Chinese cars to Singaporeans but shipping Chinese cars through the EUSFTA.
Is that possible? Seems a bit lax of EU to allow that. Suppose that's why Dyson has bought that 'most expensive ever' apartment there to join his factory!

hyphen

26,262 posts

90 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Also notice Walmart have paused the lawsuit, worldwide nagative publicity seems to have done the trick! and the joint statement indictates to me that Tesla have been bent over, and will be paying for any remedial work themselves.

For Walmart and potentially others too.

Should never have got to this stage, more poor management to not nip it in the bud.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49446725

Edited by hyphen on Friday 23 August 16:42

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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hyphen said:
jamoor said:
Tiny city state doesn't encourage car ownership shocker.

In the rest of the world we have multiple cities and rural areas.
Then why is the CEO of Tesla not as clever as you and so bothered?
Extremely affluent city state should mean it has excellent market potential for a premium car maker surely?

DonkeyApple

55,176 posts

169 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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They only have around 500,000 cars in total in SG and you need to buy a license for about £25k to use one.

They sell fewer than 100k cars a year.

It’s a pretty pointless market regardless of its wealth.


SWoll

18,339 posts

258 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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simonwhite2000 said:
jjwilde said:
p1stonhead said:
Having seen the inside of the Taycan, I don’t see how anyone would choose a (high price model) Tesla over one?
It looks like a mess of 4 screens and cramped. Would have preferred model3 style simplicity. But I don't think they will have any issues selling out for the first year. The more EVs the better. Shame (for them) the S will beat it in the real world to 60.
Its a bit OTT with the screens but much better than anything Tesla. The model 3 to me is a disaster and needs a HUD desperately. Peering to the side to see the speed ridiculous. The Model S dash is better.
The Taycan has got less space inside than the Model 3 let alone the Model S, especially in the rear.

The Model 3 screen thing is overplayed for me, the positioning makes reading the speed on the top corner of the screen very easy as not far from your eye line and if you're really bothered by it you can add a GPS speedo for about £20 off Amazon.

Agree a proper HUD would be a nice addition though.

DonkeyApple

55,176 posts

169 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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£70k to not look like a debt riddled head of IT in desperate need of free electricity? Might sell quite well to blokes who want an EV with a Porsche badge.

To be serious, it looks quite nice and the dash layout seems logical and more importantly, appropriate for an expensive car. With a 2-300 mile range that should be perfectly usable for the daily suburban grind and weekends out to pleasant places.

skwdenyer

16,414 posts

240 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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DonkeyApple said:
£70k to not look like a debt riddled head of IT in desperate need of free electricity? Might sell quite well to blokes who want an EV with a Porsche badge.

To be serious, it looks quite nice and the dash layout seems logical and more importantly, appropriate for an expensive car. With a 2-300 mile range that should be perfectly usable for the daily suburban grind and weekends out to pleasant places.
£70k? Since the last estimate I saw for US pricing was starting at $90k + sales taxes, doesn’t that suggest more like £80k here based on how their other prices correlate?

That would put it on a par with current Tesla Model S pricing, albeit for a much smaller vehicle.

Clearly it offers a different set of compromises. If rumours are to be believed, it will have about 100 miles less WLTP range than a Model S (or almost 30% less) and obviously a lot less space. That choice is welcome.

DonkeyApple

55,176 posts

169 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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And knowing Porsche the steering wheel will be a £30k optional extra. biggrin

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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DonkeyApple said:
And knowing Porsche the steering wheel will be a £30k optional extra. biggrin
You’d think the power cable was included wouldn’t you. Nope frown

DonkeyApple

55,176 posts

169 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Burwood said:
DonkeyApple said:
And knowing Porsche the steering wheel will be a £30k optional extra. biggrin
You’d think the power cable was included wouldn’t you. Nope frown
Maybe power cables will be the new mudguards? biggrin

Dave Hedgehog

14,546 posts

204 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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DonkeyApple said:
Maybe power cables will be the new mudguards? biggrin
Power cable insurance and gap

DonkeyApple

55,176 posts

169 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
DonkeyApple said:
Maybe power cables will be the new mudguards? biggrin
Power cable insurance and gap
But hopefully a three year warranty and free servicing.

Dave Hedgehog

14,546 posts

204 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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DonkeyApple said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
DonkeyApple said:
Maybe power cables will be the new mudguards? biggrin
Power cable insurance and gap
But hopefully a three year warranty and free servicing.
only if you buy the gold plated zero oxygen cable that ensures higher quality electrons get into your battery

skwdenyer

16,414 posts

240 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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SWoll said:
The Taycan has got less space inside than the Model 3 let alone the Model S, especially in the rear.

The Model 3 screen thing is overplayed for me, the positioning makes reading the speed on the top corner of the screen very easy as not far from your eye line and if you're really bothered by it you can add a GPS speedo for about £20 off Amazon.

Agree a proper HUD would be a nice addition though.
Those of us old enough used to drive Minis and such like with central speedos without any problem. You have to look away to check you mirror, what’s so different about checking your speed? Personally I keep a lookout more often than I check the speedo - doesn’t everybody?!

There have been plenty of cars with central instruments over the years.

Dave Hedgehog

14,546 posts

204 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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skwdenyer said:
Those of us old enough used to drive Minis and such like with central speedos without any problem. You have to look away to check you mirror, what’s so different about checking your speed? Personally I keep a lookout more often than I check the speedo - doesn’t everybody?!

There have been plenty of cars with central instruments over the years.
the lack of carplay / android auto is a far more grievous crime than having the speed displayed on the centre display

DonkeyApple

55,176 posts

169 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
DonkeyApple said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
DonkeyApple said:
Maybe power cables will be the new mudguards? biggrin
Power cable insurance and gap
But hopefully a three year warranty and free servicing.
only if you buy the gold plated zero oxygen cable that ensures higher quality electrons get into your battery
And risk people on the estate thinking I’m not a billionaire? Of course you’re going to buy the gold plated, zero oxygen cable. Ooh, hang on, what are the monthlies? I might just have to get some stickers from eBay to disguise the normal cable. biggrin

DonkeyApple

55,176 posts

169 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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skwdenyer said:
Those of us old enough used to drive Minis and such like with central speedos without any problem. You have to look away to check you mirror, what’s so different about checking your speed? Personally I keep a lookout more often than I check the speedo - doesn’t everybody?!

There have been plenty of cars with central instruments over the years.
Well, please let me take you to task here. Firstly, back when we drove Minis you never needed to look at the speedo because firstly it was nigh on impossible to be speeding, secondly there were no scameras and thirdly, if the police did spot you they never seemed to mind because it was a Mini. biggrin

And it’s the same for mirrors, you never needed to look at those either because by the time you were doing much more than 20mph your head was vibrating at a different frequency to the mirrors so you could see nothing at all in them. biggrin

Good times.

Probably the main problem with the enormous Grundig in the middle of the Tesla is that the average age of the owner means their eyes are well and truly into the age deterioration zone where they find it harder and harder to switch between screen and real world. wink

Edited by DonkeyApple on Saturday 24th August 13:53

jjwilde

1,904 posts

96 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
the lack of carplay / android auto is a far more grievous crime than having the speed displayed on the centre display
Every single review I've seen has said the 3 has the best entertainment system bar none, also the best sound system.

Putting Android/iOS on that screen would look like st. Tesla does support approved apps (spotify, google maps, netflix etc.) just like Apple do.

AstonZagato

12,696 posts

210 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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jjwilde said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
the lack of carplay / android auto is a far more grievous crime than having the speed displayed on the centre display
Every single review I've seen has said the 3 has the best entertainment system bar none, also the best sound system.

Putting Android/iOS on that screen would look like st. Tesla does support approved apps (spotify, google maps, netflix etc.) just like Apple do.
No Waze. Also, no imessage or whatsapp (not that i use those on the move)
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