Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...

[Heres Johnny]

Evanivitch said:

Heres Johnny said:

Gang can answer, but the 6p is E7 and thats what he uses to charge, which is half the Day rate of 12p, and without E7 its all 10.5p would be my guess.

That would align with my expectation of E7, but that's not how I understood his response.

I worked it out from his response, We must have read it differently

[gangzoom]

Evanivitch said:

Eh? You pay 7.5p peak and less than 4p overnight?

I've never seen rates that good reported by anyone on the EV forums.

Normal day rate 12.7p kWh. On E7 day rate is 1.5p more so 14p kWh, but night is half so 6.8p kWh.

Currently we are using about 4kWh a day at 14p rate when sun is out and 6-7 kWh when its not sunny (like today). Overnight use varies but am currently doing 14K a year in the car, including charging efficiency losses its returning 2.8 miles per kWh, which equates to £290 a year in fuel. My previous 14k was in the Leaf which returned an average of 3.8miles per kWh so £250 a year.

So the Tesla is costing £40 a year more in electricty bills to run than the Leaf. When you consider one is a 6 seater, SUV which can carry a sofa with no issues and do 0-60 in sub 5 seconds the other a medium sized hatchback am pretty happy. The Model 3 is more efficent than the Leaf so your looking at less than £250/year to do 14K.

Which ever way you look at it running costs of any EV is just nuts. How far does £300 of fuel get you in a RangeRover or £250 in a 340i?

[Toaster]

UBS: Sell Tesla shares because carmaker will need to raise capital in the fourth quarter or earlier


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/20...

[The Vambo]

Toaster said:

UBS: Sell Tesla shares because carmaker will need to raise capital in the fourth quarter or earlier


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/20...

Yawn.

[Toaster]

The Vambo said:

Toaster said:

UBS: Sell Tesla shares because carmaker will need to raise capital in the fourth quarter or earlier


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/20...

Yawn.

Im sure Elon does the same with such mundane questions https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/site...

“And so where specifically will you be in terms of capital requirements?” Seems a reasonable question.

[jjwilde]

This thread:

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

EV enthusiasts: 'OK, so put your money where your mouth is and short their stock'

Silence.

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

etc. etc.

[Heres Johnny]

jjwilde said:

This thread:

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

EV enthusiasts: 'OK, so put your money where your mouth is and short their stock'

Silence.

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

etc. etc.

It's like all things EV and all things Tesla so double trouble The truth is absolutely in the middle somewhere.

[Mr2Mike]

jjwilde said:

This thread:

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

EV enthusiasts: 'OK, so put your money where your mouth is and short their stock'

Silence.

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

etc. etc.

What a stupid post. If someone told you they expected a horse to win in a race, would you immediately put all your savings on it?

[Toaster]

Heres Johnny said:

jjwilde said:

This thread:

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

EV enthusiasts: 'OK, so put your money where your mouth is and short their stock'

Silence.

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

etc. etc.

It's like all things EV and all things Tesla so double trouble The truth is absolutely in the middle somewhere.

EV's will survive and thrive along with multiple manufacturers that have and will enter the market. Will Tesla survive no one knows..maybe..maybe not. Will Tesla be brought out if it sinks quite probably as there is some great technology there. Personally I think Tesla is very hyped, give it a few years new models will be required, better handling better braking along with new innovations etc, but isn't that car market? Some love VAG some do not some love Range Rovers others cant stand em.

[jjwilde]

Mr2Mike said:

What a stupid post. If someone told you they expected a horse to win in a race, would you immediately put all your savings on it?

If *I* was the person so sure that horse would win, to the point I was telling everyone I could on internet forums how it would definitely for sure win, I'd kind of have to put my money where my mouth was or I'd look a bit questionable wouldn't I?

[Heres Johnny]

Toaster said:

EV's will survive and thrive along with multiple manufacturers that have and will enter the market. Will Tesla survive no one knows..maybe..maybe not. Will Tesla be brought out if it sinks quite probably as there is some great technology there. Personally I think Tesla is very hyped, give it a few years new models will be required, better handling better braking along with new innovations etc, but isn't that car market? Some love VAG some do not some love Range Rovers others cant stand em.

I think we're saying the same thing. EVs and Tesla individually polarise opinion, so they're both over hyped by the trusted supporters and ridiculed by another extreme. Tesla get the double whammy as they're over hyped/lambasted (choose your side) for being Tesla as well as an EV .

Musk in his style, although not his politics, is just like Trump. Running the place by twitter, denying anything he doesn't agree with, calling stuff fake news, siege mentality, and yet constantly fuels the arguments pandering to their supporters. Polarise strongly and you stand a chance of getting enough very loyal supporters, play to the centre ground and you'll win over nobody. Trump one an election that way, Musk is building a company.

[Mr2Mike]

jjwilde said:

If *I* was the person so sure that horse would win, to the point I was telling everyone I could on internet forums how it would definitely for sure win, I'd kind of have to put my money where my mouth was or I'd look a bit questionable wouldn't I?

Have you put your life savings into Tesla shares then?

[hyphen]

Toaster said:

Heres Johnny said:

jjwilde said:

This thread:

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

EV enthusiasts: 'OK, so put your money where your mouth is and short their stock'

Silence.

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

etc. etc.

It's like all things EV and all things Tesla so double trouble The truth is absolutely in the middle somewhere.

EV's will survive and thrive along with multiple manufacturers that have and will enter the market. Will Tesla survive no one knows..maybe..maybe not. Will Tesla be brought out if it sinks quite probably as there is some great technology there. Personally I think Tesla is very hyped, give it a few years new models will be required, better handling better braking along with new innovations etc, but isn't that car market? Some love VAG some do not some love Range Rovers others cant stand em.

For me it is more a case of have, as the Tesla fanboys claim, the major manufacturers dropped the ball and allowed Tesla to take a lead. Or have they been biding their moment and, as with the upcming Audi/Jag EV suv releases, they will remain on top with Tesla remaining a niche manufacturer left behind unable to match the R&D of the rest.

Tesla will survive as the brand is strong now, someone will buy it if it does fail.

[Toaster]

hyphen said:

Toaster said:

Heres Johnny said:

jjwilde said:

This thread:

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

EV enthusiasts: 'OK, so put your money where your mouth is and short their stock'

Silence.

Trolls: 'Tesla will die it will DIE DIE DIE'

etc. etc.

It's like all things EV and all things Tesla so double trouble The truth is absolutely in the middle somewhere.

EV's will survive and thrive along with multiple manufacturers that have and will enter the market. Will Tesla survive no one knows..maybe..maybe not. Will Tesla be brought out if it sinks quite probably as there is some great technology there. Personally I think Tesla is very hyped, give it a few years new models will be required, better handling better braking along with new innovations etc, but isn't that car market? Some love VAG some do not some love Range Rovers others cant stand em.

For me it is more a case of have, as the Tesla fanboys claim, the major manufacturers dropped the ball and allowed Tesla to take a lead. Or have they been biding their moment and, as with the upcming Audi/Jag EV suv releases, they will remain on top with Tesla remaining a niche manufacturer left behind unable to match the R&D of the rest.

Tesla will survive as the brand is strong now, someone will buy it if it does fail.

I agree with you both, and I think in part major manufactures have been biding thier moment as not all the tech, governments and the public has been ready, Its a little like Cathode Ray TV's (CRT) flatscreen technology as such had been around for some time, CRT factories were just pumping out the goods and then a step change was made now all manufactures produce flat screens, I haven't looked but I suspect you would be hard pushed to buy a new CRT these day is at all. ( Off topic, I had a young sales guy telling me all about the benefits of curved screens, I pointed out I had one for years...he was impressed until I pointed out all TV's used to be curved) If Tesla are ever purchased it may well be the brand survives...we live in interesting times

[hyphen]

So Jags I-Pace reviews are all out today, very positive so Tesla now have a serious premium SUV competitor, with Audi following suit very soon.

Wonder how far along Jag are with their saloon EVs, Tesla really need to get a head start and start to churn out these model 3 volumes before competition comes along.

[hyphen]

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Interesting, do you know why this is. Is it a limitation on battery tech, Jag wanting to take it slowly at the start, or somethig else?

[DJP31]

hyphen said:

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Interesting, do you know why this is. Is it a limitation on battery tech, Jag wanting to take it slowly at the start, or somethig else?

It’s being built in Austria by Magna who apparently are known for small capacity production. Whether they have battery limitations I don’t know, and they won’t want to run the risk of cannibalising their own sales of the F or E Pace either.

[anonymous-user]

Mr2Mike said:

Have you put your life savings into Tesla shares then?

No one should punt life changing amounts on a single company share really.

But, if you were to punt, say, 0.5% of your investment funds on Tesla shares, would you long (buy) or short (sell)?

I have no current position and don’t expect to have one anytime soon. But, for the purpose of the exercise, I would go long, but would cash out at a loss if the price went down to $183

PS it is the shareholder meeting tomorrow

[RobDickinson]

hyphen said:

So Jags I-Pace reviews are all out today, very positive so Tesla now have a serious premium SUV competitor, with Audi following suit very soon.

Wonder how far along Jag are with their saloon EVs, Tesla really need to get a head start and start to churn out these model 3 volumes before competition comes along.

This isn't going to affect Tesla business at all. They already sell every X and S they can make.

They are 8 years ahead of the competition, already moved down to the model 3 market.

Model 3 orders are growing despite 23 percent getting refunds, despite no direct advertising etc. Performance version coming soon will generate extra revenue per car. Production issues look sorted for 5000 a week soon.

I still don't understand why you short a company's with huge and growing order book making product with a gross profit.

[hyphen]

RobDickinson said:

I still don't understand why you short a company's with huge and growing order book making product with a gross profit.

I don't short anyone, are you confusing me with someone else, or did you mean it generally.