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[Dave Hedgehog]

AstonZagato said:

jjwilde said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

the lack of carplay / android auto is a far more grievous crime than having the speed displayed on the centre display

Every single review I've seen has said the 3 has the best entertainment system bar none, also the best sound system.

Putting Android/iOS on that screen would look like st. Tesla does support approved apps (spotify, google maps, netflix etc.) just like Apple do.

No Waze. Also, no imessage or whatsapp (not that i use those on the move)

No podcasts, Apple Music, audio books etc.

Tesla’s infotainment is a very old fashioned approach, the car is the centre of your digital world where as with android auto / car play your data and audio follows you about from device to device exactly as you left off

Still at least on the model 3 you have room to mount the phone directly Infront of you which frees up the cars display to show battery usage etc.

[Smiljan]

jjwilde said:

Every single review I've seen has said the 3 has the best entertainment system bar none, also the best sound system.

It really doesn't, it's more hyperbole by the Tesla fans. It has a good sound system (if you buy the right spec) but not the best sound and entertainment system bar none. Just another ridiculous statement.

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

Probably the main problem with the enormous Grundig in the middle of the Tesla is that the average age of the owner means their eyes are well and truly into the age deterioration zone where they find it harder and harder to switch between screen and real world.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 24th August 13:53

It’s a fair point for those so afflicted. I wear bifocals for driving. My distance is fine but close up not so good (we all get there eventually).

Looking straight ahead a simple glance down gives me clear vision, through the lower part of the lens, of the instruments.

You can’t do that to look at the centre of the dash, you need to turn your head and adjust to focus. Anyone wearing bifocals will know what I mean.

Not to have the option, as I do now, of having all I need directly in front of me would be significant. For everything to require a turn of the head would be a definite no-no.

[Heres Johnny]

Smiljan said:

jjwilde said:

Every single review I've seen has said the 3 has the best entertainment system bar none, also the best sound system.

It really doesn't, it's more hyperbole by the Tesla fans. It has a good sound system (if you buy the right spec) but not the best sound and entertainment system bar none. Just another ridiculous statement.

I saw a survey the other day asking how much more was their Tesla than their previous most expensive car - there were a significant proportion spending 3 or 4 times the amount of their previous most expensive car. At the risk of souinding patronising I think maybe this explains why a lot think the tech is awesome, the hifi is the best etc, they're been driving around in sheds or much older cars. They have no sense of perspective of what that price point should be delivering added to a degree of confirmation bias wanting the car to be the best.

Edited by Heres Johnny on Saturday 24th August 18:29

[jamoor]

jjwilde said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

the lack of carplay / android auto is a far more grievous crime than having the speed displayed on the centre display

Every single review I've seen has said the 3 has the best entertainment system bar none, also the best sound system.

Putting Android/iOS on that screen would look like st. Tesla does support approved apps (spotify, google maps, netflix etc.) just like Apple do.

Which ones are better out of interest?

[jamoor]

Heres Johnny said:

I saw a survey the other day asking how much more was their Tesla than their previous most expensive car - there were a significant proportion spending 3 or 4 times the amount of their previous most expensive car. At the risk of souinding patronising I think maybe this explains why a lot think the tech is awesome, the hifi is the best etc, they're been driving around in sheds or much older cars. They have no sense of perspective of what that price point should be delivering added to a degree of confirmation bias wanting the car to be the best.

Edited by Heres Johnny on Saturday 24th August 18:29

My current car is worth £7-8k (infiniti M37)

I ordered a model 3 SR+

I bought it as

1) The running costs pay for 80% depreciation in the first 3-4 years.
2) Upgrading to a newer car isn't going to be a better ownership experience. I'm still going to have to service it every year, I still have to go to petrol stations (I absolutely hate petrol stations with a passion) I may upgrade to a car with some degree of autopilot but it will be much more expensive. I won't have features like preheat from your phone. People are willing to pay for the ownership experience rather than the actual product itself.

[hyphen]

jjwilde said:

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Putting Android/iOS on that screen would look like st. Tesla does support approved apps (spotify, google maps, netflix etc.) just like Apple do.

It doesn't work like that.

You give the customers what they want, not what suits you best.

[anonymous-user]

I’m another proud shedder who has never spent over 10k on a car before, with a Tesla on order.

I guess I believe the hype about running costs. Assuming average depreciation, Via a ltd it works out about the same as running my current 15 year old car. And much cheaper than buying a new 20k ICE.

Time will tell. Could end up being more expensive. It’s just an excuse really to get past my frugal filter.

I did end up test driving some premium cars just to compare, after having a M3p+ for a day, and Tesla blew them away in all honesty.

I would look at other brands but I don’t see anything coming until 2021 that has the performance, where the sums work out, and I can actually buy easily.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 24th August 22:54

[jjwilde]

hyphen said:

It doesn't work like that.

You give the customers what they want, not what suits you best.

I mean if you don't like their walled garden approach (exactly what Apple has too) then you don't have to buy the car, Tesla sell every car they make and can't meet demand so I doubt they care right now. Tesla are adding quite a lot of new apps to the 3 lately and I suspect they will continue to do so.

[anonymous-user]

Sambucket said:

I’m another proud shedder who has never spent over 10k on a car before, with a Tesla on order.

I guess I believe the hype about running costs. Assuming average depreciation, Via a ltd it works out about the same as running my current 15 year old car. And much cheaper than buying a new 20k ICE.

Time will tell. Could end up being more expensive. It’s just an excuse really to get past my frugal filter.

I did end up test driving some premium cars just to compare, after having a M3p+ for a day, and Tesla blew them away in all honesty.

I would look at other brands but I don’t see anything coming until 2021 that has the performance, where the sums work out, and I can actually buy easily.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 24th August 21:23

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 24th August 22:03

I’d genuinely like to see the maths that reaches that conclusion.

[gangzoom]

Spent just under 5hrs in the car today, 240 miles going around the M1/M40/M4 all in bank holiday traffic.

Despite have the least efficient and smallest battery Tesla the car journeys today was simply effortless, most of which spent in the third lane when traffic was flowing, aircon all the way.

Charged at Oxford services, had to queue just to get into the services, but only 3 out of 16 Tesla chargers been used. By the time we were ready to leave the car was at over 90% SOC.

Stopped once more at M4 services on the second leg because my wife didn't want to arrive with less than 10% SOC. Encountered my first 'failed' charger at a Tesla Supercharger, but there was another 6 empty spaces so no issues, 10 minutes top up was enough.

What ever you think of Tesla, they have nailed the EV ownership experience. Am not sure I would have wanted to do the trip today in any other EV, especially with a toddler on board, 30 degree heat, traffic jams every 10-20 miles and without having to resort to crawling behind a lorry at 55mph.

37k into ownership and am still amazed how easy long distance road trips are in the Tesla.

Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 24th August 22:46

[Burwood]

But you stopped for 40 mins the first time? I can’t abide it and I am sure a 750i us a nicer place to be. I want to get to where I’m going not stop for an hour charging. That’s my issue.

[anonymous-user]

REALIST123 said:

I’d genuinely like to see the maths that reaches that conclusion.

Also cheaper if you do the sums personally without the tax. But less in it.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 24th August 22:55

[jamoor]

REALIST123 said:

Sambucket said:

I’m another proud shedder who has never spent over 10k on a car before, with a Tesla on order.

I guess I believe the hype about running costs. Assuming average depreciation, Via a ltd it works out about the same as running my current 15 year old car. And much cheaper than buying a new 20k ICE.

Time will tell. Could end up being more expensive. It’s just an excuse really to get past my frugal filter.

I did end up test driving some premium cars just to compare, after having a M3p+ for a day, and Tesla blew them away in all honesty.

I would look at other brands but I don’t see anything coming until 2021 that has the performance, where the sums work out, and I can actually buy easily.

Edited by Sambucket on Saturday 24th August 21:23

Edited by Sambucket on Saturday 24th August 22:03

I’d genuinely like to see the maths that reaches that conclusion.

It sounds crazy but it's the way it is.
Roughly in my scenario it was.

April onwards it's 0% BIK so I can run a car through the company and reclaim half of the VAT.
No VAT on tyres or any other maintanance.
If you imagine I do 10,000 miles @ 21mpg = £2800 of fuel a year. Then you have to add on 20%+ if you pay yourself a salary out of the company or dividends or however it works in your situation and it's usually more.
+ Higher Road Tax (only £200 more in my case)
+ A bit more maintenance (£400 a year + 20%)
+ Depreciation (£1000)


The numbers begin to stack up in favour of the tesla (in my case it was £6000 more in costs over 3 years) to drive a brand new car. I can buy it at the end for £20,000 if I wish, making the cost of the car £26,000

I calculated my breakeven to be around 20k a year for the car to pay for itself.

[gangzoom]

Burwood said:

But you stopped for 40 mins the first time? I can’t abide it and I am sure a 750i us a nicer place to be. I want to get to where I’m going not stop for an hour charging. That’s my issue.

You haven't travelled with a toddler recently have you .

We could have left after 10-15 minutes, charging is most efficient when going from 15-60% on a Tesla. Anything over 60% and your better off just driving, but our stop times are dictated by the threeanger!

In a LR Model 3 the whole trip could have been covered in one 5 minute stop.

Even our X had gone from 36% to 50% in 7 minutes, in a LR Model 3 charging at 250KW its going to be charging too quickly for even a toilet break!

Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 24th August 23:01

[anonymous-user]

Sambucket said:

REALIST123 said:

I’d genuinely like to see the maths that reaches that conclusion.

At first glance that seems a very unbalanced comparison, with several assumptions but as you say, ‘just an excuse really to get past my frugal filter’.

[jamoor]

REALIST123 said:

Sambucket said:

REALIST123 said:

I’d genuinely like to see the maths that reaches that conclusion.

At first glance that seems a very unbalanced comparison, with several assumptions but as you say, ‘just an excuse really to get past my frugal filter’.

Yes I can't see any BIK on the focus and no way the focus is comparable in performance to a Model 3

[anonymous-user]

The focus is bought personally as is the cheaper option.

[jamoor]

Burwood said:

But you stopped for 40 mins the first time? I can’t abide it and I am sure a 750i us a nicer place to be. I want to get to where I’m going not stop for an hour charging. That’s my issue.

£65 in petrol vs £14 electricity (thats worst case its probbably more like £10 if he charged at home).
I'm willing to stop for 40 mins if it means I save £50 but each to their own.

[Burwood]

what’s the 8k tax saving? As an accountant showing a credit is flawed. Just compare costs including the residual or as close to it as possible. That’s the only credit. If it’s a saving I assume it’s over and above an ICE car cost do just show that on the ice car schedule.