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In further news Tesla has become the biggest EV manufacturer in the world, beating China's BYD.
https://electrek.co/2019/12/06/tesla-worlds-larges...
https://electrek.co/2019/12/06/tesla-worlds-larges...
jjwilde said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Yes, what a travesty of justice.
So you think the pedo guy deserved $190million for being called a pedo on twitter? Because that's what he wanted.No wonder the jury rolled their eyes and denied it. Ridiculous.
The facts we know are that Musk called Unsworth a 'pedo guy' to millions of people. Then later asserted it was true with his "bet ya a signed dollar" comment. He then paid to hire a private investigator to find evidence to prove Unsworth was a pedophile. And he asserted Unsworth was a child rapist.
Despite these facts, the jury decided Musk was not guilty. The level of compensation therefore didn't get to be considered.
My personal view is that $190m damages would be grossly excessive, but as I say, that wasn't the main point.
jjwilde said:
In further news Tesla has become the biggest EV manufacturer in the world, beating China's BYD.
https://electrek.co/2019/12/06/tesla-worlds-larges...
Is that relavant, who is the biggest single manufacturer? China has over 400 brands.https://electrek.co/2019/12/06/tesla-worlds-larges...
Do BYD even sell globally like Tesla do?
jjwilde said:
So this says Tesla3 is the best selling car in the Netherlands of 2019, I'm not sure if it means the best selling car in the last few months or the whole year, but that's quite an achievement. Imagine if it was the best selling car in the UK and what a mad situation that would be.
https://electrek.co/2019/12/05/tesla-biggest-marke...
They are cutting grants for next year so it will be interesting to see how things go, it has been a good 2019 for Tesla in Europe and fitted in nicely after USA sales have leveled off. https://electrek.co/2019/12/05/tesla-biggest-marke...
EddieSteadyGo said:
jjwilde said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Yes, what a travesty of justice.
So you think the pedo guy deserved $190million for being called a pedo on twitter? Because that's what he wanted.No wonder the jury rolled their eyes and denied it. Ridiculous.
The facts we know are that Musk called Unsworth a 'pedo guy' to millions of people. Then later asserted it was true with his "bet ya a signed dollar" comment. He then paid to hire a private investigator to find evidence to prove Unsworth was a pedophile. And he asserted Unsworth was a child rapist.
Despite these facts, the jury decided Musk was not guilty. The level of compensation therefore didn't get to be considered.
My personal view is that $190m damages would be grossly excessive, but as I say, that wasn't the main point.
Of course the people commenting on the matter fell into two tribes, ones who are fans of Musk and he can do no wrong and supporters of Unsworth who probably were swelled by non fans of Musk who think he could do no right... rather than just letting the facts come out and be objective.
I found it highly amusing Musk could say at the end, with a straight face that's his faith in humanity had been restored, you know, being humane, benevolent, kind and respectful to your fellow humans.
Except for pedo's of course, as we call smelly cave divers here in Kent.
Getting back to finances, the Tesla twitter followers reported that Tesla has been given the green light to start selling cars in China, but this still is not being reported by more mainstream websites or the old fashioned financial press.
That would be good news if true, they have cars stocking up at the moment waiting to go out.
That would be good news if true, they have cars stocking up at the moment waiting to go out.
The unfortunate thing about the damages is I imagine the fault of the law firm who were almost certainly on a no win no fee basis (I can't see Unsworth being able to afford to go to court otherwise). It was probably their greed as much as anything that resulted in such a high figure.
If Unsworth had sued for $1 I wonder if the jury have been swayed differently
If Unsworth had sued for $1 I wonder if the jury have been swayed differently
Heres Johnny said:
The unfortunate thing about the damages is I imagine the fault of the law firm who were almost certainly on a no win no fee basis (I can't see Unsworth being able to afford to go to court otherwise). It was probably their greed as much as anything that resulted in such a high figure.
If Unsworth had sued for $1 I wonder if the jury have been swayed differently
I agree, it did go rather American style and therefore smacked of profiteering. It would have far better to have kept the moral high ground and gone for an apology, legal costs and something like $150k or $200k for the time and effort.If Unsworth had sued for $1 I wonder if the jury have been swayed differently
No doubt there is a thread in the news section, I might have some beer and pork scratchings and go raid it later with some outrageous pot shots at Musky.
Anyone who hasn't used AP recently really should give it a go. Our car is on .36 release so not the .40 release. HW 2.0, so missing some of the stuff like traffic cone detection on HW 3.0 cars.
100 miles on the M1 today, 18 miles of 50 mph road works, stand still traffic around Luton, than clear down the M1 till J2 where the car indicated and exited by itself.
Low sun, lots of shadows everywhere, big lorries, traffic cutting in and out alot in various lanes. In 2hrs+ of AP been engaged not a single incidence of phantom braking, car now moves in lane to give more clearance when passing vans/lorries, I did disengage once for a car that was indicating but just not moving into lane.
Overall really impressive performance, far far better than 12 months ago. The AP HW2.0 code seems actually really sorted, the main annoyance was 'holding wheel nag'.
The next 12 months hopefully we'll see on going improvements especially leveraging the HW 3.0 code.
HW2.5->3.0 CPU upgrades seem to be now routine in the US for cars with MCU2.0. Hopefully we'll see the HW 2.0/2.5 MCU1.0 to HW 3.0 upgrades starting next year.
100 miles on the M1 today, 18 miles of 50 mph road works, stand still traffic around Luton, than clear down the M1 till J2 where the car indicated and exited by itself.
Low sun, lots of shadows everywhere, big lorries, traffic cutting in and out alot in various lanes. In 2hrs+ of AP been engaged not a single incidence of phantom braking, car now moves in lane to give more clearance when passing vans/lorries, I did disengage once for a car that was indicating but just not moving into lane.
Overall really impressive performance, far far better than 12 months ago. The AP HW2.0 code seems actually really sorted, the main annoyance was 'holding wheel nag'.
The next 12 months hopefully we'll see on going improvements especially leveraging the HW 3.0 code.
HW2.5->3.0 CPU upgrades seem to be now routine in the US for cars with MCU2.0. Hopefully we'll see the HW 2.0/2.5 MCU1.0 to HW 3.0 upgrades starting next year.
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 7th December 14:45
gangzoom said:
Anyone who hasn't used AP recently really should give it a go
This fella read your advice yesterday and gave it a go 
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tesla-autopilot-slams-po...
hyphen said:
This fella read your advice yesterday and gave it a go
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tesla-autopilot-slams-po...
AP been able to recognise stationary traffic with fast approach speed, thats not news to anyone.https://abcnews.go.com/US/tesla-autopilot-slams-po...
Return trip up the M1, again bad traffic at J14 road works. AP worked flawless at night, made a otherwise 2hr 30min trip quite relaxed.
Found it quite amusing the Science Museum had a display on about 'diriverless' cars, but our actual car has more driverless potential than anything on show.
Tesla and FSD has a long way to go, but been able to try out this stuff on your daily driver is something all geeks would love to do
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gangzoom said:
AP been able to recognise stationary traffic with fast approach speed, thats not news to anyone.
Return trip up the M1, again bad traffic at J14 road works. AP worked flawless at night, made a otherwise 2hr 30min trip quite relaxed.
Found it quite amusing the Science Museum had a display on about 'diriverless' cars, but our actual car has more driverless potential than anything on show.
Tesla and FSD has a long way to go, but been able to try out this stuff on your daily driver is something all geeks would love to do.
I don't want to negate your enthusiasm for AP, but the stuff you're so happy with is not actually a very good demonstration of the sort of technology we need for driverless cars to be a thing.Return trip up the M1, again bad traffic at J14 road works. AP worked flawless at night, made a otherwise 2hr 30min trip quite relaxed.
Found it quite amusing the Science Museum had a display on about 'diriverless' cars, but our actual car has more driverless potential than anything on show.
Tesla and FSD has a long way to go, but been able to try out this stuff on your daily driver is something all geeks would love to do
.One of the big dangers is the natural tendencies to think that the stuff a 'smart' car will find difficult is the same stuff we find difficult or imagine to be difficult. Driving to Tescos is near impossible, driving on and off a motorway (at night!) surprisingly easy.
^100% agree, but compared to 6 months ago the code for AP on HW 2.0 is so much more refined.
The car even now moves in lane according to whats around it, didn't do an emergency stop even when idiots in BMWs do the usual cutting across 3 lanes for no reason, and takes exits by it self in a much smoother manner. The car is clearly more 'aware' of whats around it, and reacts to others things in a very similar way to human drivers.
Compare this to the AP1 loaner car I had recently, 100% not a clue or indication it was cruising next to a HGV less than 10 cm away to the left of it. No display of the HGV, for some reason even the side sensors were been activates, frankly quite scary to have rely on such a dumb system to 'drive'.
Am quite excited to see how AP now develops on HW 3.0, the latest US update has introduced monitoring of on coming traffic speeds, so the amount of processing Tesla is introducing is going up all the time.
The tech Tesla is pushing really is cutting edge. Google maybe future ahead, but unless you move to Phoenix and sign up to their program you have zero chance of trying it, Uber/Mobile eye woudlnt even let non employees/press near their demo cars.
I know lots of people don't agree with how Tesla is essentially using customers as alpha testers on their code, but the geek in me loves seeing how its all progressing.
Recognition of stationary traffic when the approach is speed is 70mph+ will be a massive feat to sort out though. I imagine your looking at a system making a dramatic decision- slam on the brakes, based on only a handful of pixel changes taking place in a few milliseconds. Will the system ever manage it? Not sure, and I guess we'll see.
The car even now moves in lane according to whats around it, didn't do an emergency stop even when idiots in BMWs do the usual cutting across 3 lanes for no reason, and takes exits by it self in a much smoother manner. The car is clearly more 'aware' of whats around it, and reacts to others things in a very similar way to human drivers.
Compare this to the AP1 loaner car I had recently, 100% not a clue or indication it was cruising next to a HGV less than 10 cm away to the left of it. No display of the HGV, for some reason even the side sensors were been activates, frankly quite scary to have rely on such a dumb system to 'drive'.
Am quite excited to see how AP now develops on HW 3.0, the latest US update has introduced monitoring of on coming traffic speeds, so the amount of processing Tesla is introducing is going up all the time.
The tech Tesla is pushing really is cutting edge. Google maybe future ahead, but unless you move to Phoenix and sign up to their program you have zero chance of trying it, Uber/Mobile eye woudlnt even let non employees/press near their demo cars.
I know lots of people don't agree with how Tesla is essentially using customers as alpha testers on their code, but the geek in me loves seeing how its all progressing.
Recognition of stationary traffic when the approach is speed is 70mph+ will be a massive feat to sort out though. I imagine your looking at a system making a dramatic decision- slam on the brakes, based on only a handful of pixel changes taking place in a few milliseconds. Will the system ever manage it? Not sure, and I guess we'll see.
Edited by gangzoom on Monday 9th December 06:25
Cybertruck in the wild
Is Elon driving, or autopilot
watch to the end
https://twitter.com/Guruleaks1/status/120375457986...
Is Elon driving, or autopilot
watch to the end
https://twitter.com/Guruleaks1/status/120375457986...
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