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ZesPak said:
Yes... That's exactly what my post stated. Thanks for spelling it out.
Maybe something like a consumer report with brand satisfaction would help to get some real numbers in the discussion.
Not really because they’re just as biasedMaybe something like a consumer report with brand satisfaction would help to get some real numbers in the discussion.
If they don’t like Tesla they’re accused of hating them because Tesla don’t advertise. If they say great things people pick out the flaws in the approach. There’s one magazine who did a survey where Tesla’s reliability was 50% and way off the pace - everybody dismissed it as ‘big oil’ but there was an owners group campaign with owners not reporting issues the next time they ran the survey and they came out higher.. so who do you believe?
Original news (whatcar removed their data so you have to look at third parties who reported it):
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6...
And 1 year later, same cars are 99% reliable
https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-what-car-reliabi...
With the best will in the world, one of those has to be bogus, cars which have a 50% reliability record don;t suddenly have a near 100% record given many are the same cars.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Saturday 14th December 15:56
hyphen said:
According to which people?
Tesla sales have already slumped in the USA and non-USA sales rises were the drivers in the last result. China growth due to new factory should also balance out any demand reduction elsewhere.
So do you think USA sales will go over a cliff edge now Tesla have no government price subsidy? Tesla sales have already slumped in the USA and non-USA sales rises were the drivers in the last result. China growth due to new factory should also balance out any demand reduction elsewhere.
jjwilde said:
So do you think USA sales will go over a cliff edge now Tesla have no government price subsidy?
No, they will stay steady i imagine, at current levels, till Model Y is launched. Subsidies stopped a few months ago didn't they? And they only matter once other premium manufacturers are really competing against the 3 and offer subsidized prices. Otherwise 3 is probably still cheaper than ICE equivalents?
Edited by hyphen on Saturday 14th December 16:22
hyphen said:
So Tories in power. Their Mainifesto says £1BN for fast chargers and to consult on an end date for ICE cars.
How many fast chargers will £1bn spend result in?
I think they're 10-15k installed - call it 10k if you're buying enough of them and its 100k chargersHow many fast chargers will £1bn spend result in?
I can see Boris doing something like this, a bit like Boris bikes, and makes a good headline, maybe not 100k of them but lets face it 1k rapid chargers would be a good number for now. £10m is peanuts, and he has the ability to just solve the wayleve issues by changing the law.
Heres Johnny said:
hyphen said:
So Tories in power. Their Mainifesto says £1BN for fast chargers and to consult on an end date for ICE cars.
How many fast chargers will £1bn spend result in?
I think they're 10-15k installed - call it 10k if you're buying enough of them and its 100k chargersHow many fast chargers will £1bn spend result in?
I can see Boris doing something like this, a bit like Boris bikes, and makes a good headline, maybe not 100k of them but lets face it 1k rapid chargers would be a good number for now. £10m is peanuts, and he has the ability to just solve the wayleve issues by changing the law.
REALIST123 said:
If a government department is given the job, you’ll get about 6.........
probably... Think they are a bit more expensive than 10k a pop (DC fast chargers that is). But all in all IMO the cost to set up charging infrastructure isn't that high. Probably a drop in the ocean on what a developed country already spends on upkeep/development of the road network.More Ev competition. MG E-motion, 2020 £30k they say:
Attractive looking too (at this stage).
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Attractive looking too (at this stage).
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Sambucket said:
Always marvel at TSLAQ’s boner for anecdote whilst maintaining the bulls are more blinkered to the big picture.
"according to British magazine What Car?‘s annual reliability survey, Tesla is doing quite well when compared to other manufacturers. In a survey of 31 manufacturers, Tesla ranked 4th, with a score of 96.9%."
Here is an anecdote for you. My car has been perfectly reliable. But i'm just a lemming so presumably my vote doesn't count.
How is the data collated? "according to British magazine What Car?‘s annual reliability survey, Tesla is doing quite well when compared to other manufacturers. In a survey of 31 manufacturers, Tesla ranked 4th, with a score of 96.9%."
Here is an anecdote for you. My car has been perfectly reliable. But i'm just a lemming so presumably my vote doesn't count.
Edited by Sambucket on Friday 13th December 14:05
. jamoor said:
My FIL built a large factory in China. It went up like a rocket, everything in place ready to go... then mysteriously, just before it was due to open, the local officials decided that their paperwork wasn't in order and it would need 'sorting out' - estimated time to be ready: three to six months. Unless of course, he happened to have a large amount of cash ready.TBH, anyone being surprised by a factory going up quickly has possibly not been around large manufacturers much.
Tuna said:
jamoor said:
My FIL built a large factory in China. It went up like a rocket, everything in place ready to go... then mysteriously, just before it was due to open, the local officials decided that their paperwork wasn't in order and it would need 'sorting out' - estimated time to be ready: three to six months. Unless of course, he happened to have a large amount of cash ready.TBH, anyone being surprised by a factory going up quickly has possibly not been around large manufacturers much.
hyphen said:
More Ev competition. MG E-motion, 2020 £30k they say:
Attractive looking too (at this stage).
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
That is the Mazda Vision concept AICMFP. Attractive looking too (at this stage).
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Tojeiro said:
He’s not trying to build a profitable car/truck brand, he is trying to build demand for batteries. Have know doubt in future he will divest the actual car manufacturing part of the business.
No he isn’t. That’s why the batteries are owned and made by third parties. Plus, he wouldn’t have a such a forward stock rating if his business was about selling batteries that he doesn’t make, are of a tech that will be replaced within a lifetime and where the Chinese State controls all the raw materials and subsidises the production. That claim was a throwaway remark by a
Sambucket said:
hyphen said:
Sambucket said:
Your prediction please hypen for 2020 and 2021 Tesla total deliveries?
Let’s get something on record.
Y should do very well, 3 demand may slump due to Y and any other competition. X and S are just 'Faberge Eggs'.Let’s get something on record.
It all boils down to the political climate and how much meddling governments around the world do, in particular with regards to the charging infrastructure.
For example in the UK, if LibDems won or Greens were in a colaition and announced 'free charger installation for every home and lamp post'.
Whats your opinion Sam?
Stop dodgin
Lets have your cold hard figures! Might as well do 2019 as well. 2019 -
2020 -
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Check this out: Congress bill to raise EV subsidy limits from 200 too 600 thousand cars ( so Tesla and GM are back in) and also completely new- tax credits for Used EVs.
https://electrek.co/2019/12/15/tesla-cybertruck-fo...
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