BMWe's Stopping Production

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starmonkey

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293 posts

188 months

Monday 22nd January 2018
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I've been looking for a below 50g/km car for a while and went to look at a 530e at the weekend.

The salesman told me they were ending production shortly on both the 330e and the 530e due to the Government moving to using WLTP rather than NEDC and neither car is low emissions on the new test (530d and 540i are apparently likely to be better, test data hasn't been published yet). Said there probably isn't much point ordering as unlikely to get built before they stop.

BMW are planning to wait for the i5 as a replacement rather than more "e's" around 2019/20. Anyone else heard this or similar?

I've been looking at an E350e, XC60 T8 Twin and the 530e, I assume all of these will suffer the same problem shortly.

Fast Bug

11,597 posts

160 months

Monday 22nd January 2018
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Order books have closed for the C350e and E350e as well. It will be replaced by the C300e and E300e in Q3 which will have a longer range on battery power alone and a slightly lower powered petrol engine. I'd heard 330e production had ended, but not 530e

starmonkey

Original Poster:

293 posts

188 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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It's frustrating, I'm trying to buy a low emissions car and dealers only have diesels as an option!

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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starmonkey said:
It's frustrating, I'm trying to buy a low emissions car and dealers only have diesels as an option!

Yes, no BIK advantage there..

KumiSinghs

63 posts

126 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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starmonkey said:
It's frustrating, I'm trying to buy a low emissions car and dealers only have diesels as an option!
Why don't you get a second hand one?

hantsxlg

862 posts

231 months

Friday 26th January 2018
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Any references for this or is it fake news? Current bik rules heavily leant towards sub 50g cars for next two years and 530e has 6 month wait list so stopping production does seem an odd thing to do

EddieSteadyGo

11,725 posts

202 months

Friday 26th January 2018
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hantsxlg said:
Any references for this or is it fake news? Current bik rules heavily leant towards sub 50g cars for next two years and 530e has 6 month wait list so stopping production does seem an odd thing to do
I was told this by a Volvo dealer about 4 weeks ago when I enquired about the XC90 T8.

It makes perfect sense to stop production if the current car won't get accredited below the <50g/km threshold using the new tests.

The Volvo dealer was explaining the new tests were going to take account of the options on the car - so a car may only get the 50g limit if it didn't have a particularly option fitted etc.

As was mentioned earlier in the the thread, the manufacturers will need to introduce batteries bigger than the current crop of circa 10 kwh options in order to get it properly below the new tests.

modeller

443 posts

165 months

Friday 26th January 2018
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There’re big changes for company car BIK rates coming in 2020. Long range EVs will then be massively cheaper than dino juicers.
I hadn’t heard about imminent changes in CO2 calculation.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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modeller said:
There’re big changes for company car BIK rates coming in 2020. Long range EVs will then be massively cheaper than dino juicers.
I hadn’t heard about imminent changes in CO2 calculation.
Can you define ‘long range’ and ‘massively cheaper’?

Are the prices of EVs going to fall or are you talking about BIK benefits which only relate to a tiny %age of cars in the UK?

hantsxlg

862 posts

231 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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the change from 2020 will favour cars with <50g AND more than 30 miles pure EV range.

The 530e is rated at 29 miles, so you'd think with a mod to release some of the 'reserved' batter capacity or a slight increase in battery capacity they could get it ranged at 30 miles. So I'd be surprised to see them stop production....

Too Drunk to Funk

804 posts

76 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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modeller said:
There’re big changes for company car BIK rates coming in 2020. Long range EVs will then be massively cheaper than dino juicers.
I hadn’t heard about imminent changes in CO2 calculation.
What long range EVs?

I'm sure lack of demand has nothing to do with BMW stopping production.

oop north

1,592 posts

127 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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This link gives the new tax bands from 2020

https://fleetworld.co.uk/government-publishes-comp...

You can see how the tax varies with battery only range there

starmonkey

Original Poster:

293 posts

188 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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KumiSinghs said:
starmonkey said:
It's frustrating, I'm trying to buy a low emissions car and dealers only have diesels as an option!
Why don't you get a second hand one?
Can't offset a second hand car against corporation tax. HMRC rules.

Edited by starmonkey on Saturday 27th January 22:48

starmonkey

Original Poster:

293 posts

188 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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hantsxlg said:
Any references for this or is it fake news? Current bik rules heavily leant towards sub 50g cars for next two years and 530e has 6 month wait list so stopping production does seem an odd thing to do
http://wltpfacts.eu/from-nedc-to-wltp-change/

New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.

If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.

WestyCarl

3,217 posts

124 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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starmonkey said:
http://wltpfacts.eu/from-nedc-to-wltp-change/

New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.

If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
I currently speccing a 530e and at no point has the dealer mentioned anything about stopping production (even as a sales tactic to speed me up..)

Heres Johnny

7,177 posts

123 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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starmonkey said:
Can't offset a second hand car against corporation tax. HMRC rules.

Edited by starmonkey on Saturday 27th January 22:48
Really? You can still have the basic 18% allowance as far as I’m aware but not the 100% FYA on low emissions cars.

starmonkey

Original Poster:

293 posts

188 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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Oh yes, the 18% is available but it's not worth getting a company car at that point. The extra you'd pay for a hybrid/electric car wouldn't offset the tax back.

It only appears to be worth it with the FYA.

The BMW dealership I was speaking to was Reading if that makes a difference. It could have been an easy sale for them but they actively talked me out of it so not sure why they would do that if it weren't true.

starmonkey

Original Poster:

293 posts

188 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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WestyCarl said:
starmonkey said:
http://wltpfacts.eu/from-nedc-to-wltp-change/

New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.

If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
I currently speccing a 530e and at no point has the dealer mentioned anything about stopping production (even as a sales tactic to speed me up..)
Maybe they have an allocation to use up before they become trickier to sell and my local dealership didn't?

Heres Johnny

7,177 posts

123 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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starmonkey said:
Oh yes, the 18% is available but it's not worth getting a company car at that point. The extra you'd pay for a hybrid/electric car wouldn't offset the tax back.

It only appears to be worth it with the FYA.

The BMW dealership I was speaking to was Reading if that makes a difference. It could have been an easy sale for them but they actively talked me out of it so not sure why they would do that if it weren't true.
100% FYA is just cash flow.
When BIK goes to 2% I’ll be putting my car into the company.

SidJames

1,399 posts

232 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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oop north said:
This link gives the new tax bands from 2020

https://fleetworld.co.uk/government-publishes-comp...

You can see how the tax varies with battery only range there
thanks, didn't know about that.