Anyone been for a test drive in a Jaguar i-Pace yet?
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Drove one ten days ago. Didn’t like it (1) too much tyre noise (20” SE steel suspension) even on the smoothest tarmac (2) ride too firm / sporty for my liking. Disappointed as I don’t know what else to get - my i3 (due to go back in mid-December) is a bit small and my daughters hate it but just don’t fancy leaf or Kona etc. Merc eqc has date of arrival unknown ditto Audi and and audi’s Range 20% less than iPace. But not willing to order any of them until after a drive - my approach with the iPace and def the correct one
Interesting you found the iPace to be noisy when coming from the i3, which, ime, despite having narrow tyres, can get some REALLY loud cabin booms on some surfaces, i guess due to the carbon structure and lack of sound proofing (to keep weight down) I found the iPace to be significantly more refined in most cases?
oop north said:
Drove one ten days ago. Didn’t like it (1) too much tyre noise (20” SE steel suspension) even on the smoothest tarmac (2) ride too firm / sporty for my liking. Disappointed as I don’t know what else to get - my i3 (due to go back in mid-December) is a bit small and my daughters hate it but just don’t fancy leaf or Kona etc. Merc eqc has date of arrival unknown ditto Audi and and audi’s Range 20% less than iPace. But not willing to order any of them until after a drive - my approach with the iPace and def the correct one
Obviously a reason Tesla aren’t on the list of possibles?Tesla x is over 80k which is too much. S v expensive despite not having the kit that the iPace has (was considering hse). Have never quite trusted Tesla since I had a test drive nearly four years ago on a Saturday - salesman unaware prices had changed the day before - and they all changed again the next working day. So I thought if they cannot decide what to charge for the car what else are they rubbish at. And know someone whose father got an X and described it as the worst buying experience ever experienced. And I find it irritating that Tesla continually try to hide the list price of their cars by deducting the govt grant without saying making it clear what they have done. And (some) Tesla owners are infuriating because they always pee on any thread or forum dedicated to other cars boasting about Tesla superiority. And I don’t like the interiors.
I should probably drive one again though ... maybe even an X as if I got one we could get rid of the discovery and have my wife keep her car which would free up a bit more money to the leccy car. If I had known there would be superchargers fitted at Keele services I would probably have got one three years ago - but at the time I didn’t and had a regular trip to Cheltenham
I should probably drive one again though ... maybe even an X as if I got one we could get rid of the discovery and have my wife keep her car which would free up a bit more money to the leccy car. If I had known there would be superchargers fitted at Keele services I would probably have got one three years ago - but at the time I didn’t and had a regular trip to Cheltenham
oop north said:
Tesla x is over 80k which is too much. S v expensive despite not having the kit that the iPace has (was considering hse). Have never quite trusted Tesla since I had a test drive nearly four years ago on a Saturday - salesman unaware prices had changed the day before - and they all changed again the next working day. So I thought if they cannot decide what to charge for the car what else are they rubbish at. And know someone whose father got an X and described it as the worst buying experience ever experienced. And I find it irritating that Tesla continually try to hide the list price of their cars by deducting the govt grant without saying making it clear what they have done. And (some) Tesla owners are infuriating because they always pee on any thread or forum dedicated to other cars boasting about Tesla superiority. And I don’t like the interiors.
I should probably drive one again though ... maybe even an X as if I got one we could get rid of the discovery and have my wife keep her car which would free up a bit more money to the leccy car. If I had known there would be superchargers fitted at Keele services I would probably have got one three years ago - but at the time I didn’t and had a regular trip to Cheltenham
Gosh, quite a bit there! I can understand your frustrations, if they could sort out the “back office” and customer “sales experience” goodness only know how many more they’d sell.I should probably drive one again though ... maybe even an X as if I got one we could get rid of the discovery and have my wife keep her car which would free up a bit more money to the leccy car. If I had known there would be superchargers fitted at Keele services I would probably have got one three years ago - but at the time I didn’t and had a regular trip to Cheltenham
The evangelical situation is an interesting one. From my own perspective as an owner of an S since March ‘17 and coming from Lexus/Jag/Saab etc, it’s by miles the best car I’ve ever had. It cost a damn sight more too, but all of that extra spend is in the battery pack and to help fund the Model 3 - it’s certainly not on a premium interior like the I Pace. I also had a good buying experience and the car with now over 20k miles on it has been faultless and a joy to drive. It’s just so different, and the OTA updates, Superchargers and ownership community (principally via the closed FB group) makes the whole thing more than just owning a car. That can overspill on occasion and get how it grates badly.
There are also the horror stories, which I believe are amplified by the very nature of fora, but as the saying goes ‘no smoke without fire’ - and I dread having an accident and waiting an eternity for the correct part to arrive.
As you’ve indicated, what else to try? If it were me I would put that past experience behind me and give Tesla another go. The design studio hasn’t changed, the sales staff still find out what’s going on after everybody body else, and yes, Keele has Superchargers (not as good a Tebay though, terrific place that is).
I’m struggling with trying to overcome your final point though - you don’t like the interior. Well it certainly hasn’t fundamentally changed, but it is better in terms of quality than earlier cars.
Should perhaps have also said that my wife’s reaction when I told her what a 3.0 merc e class estate would cost implies that her reaction to a Tesla at twice the price would be fairly scary! You are right - I should go and have another look at a Tesla, and maybe drive an X for the first time and S again.
What’s so great about tebay? It’s a bit near to me (Preston) to be a lot of use though a splash and dash on the way home from the north could be useful
Oh I think I forgot to add that I looked again a couple of days ago at the Tesla configurator and was a bit mortified at the paint cost (1400 for metallic - used to be 800 - I have been tracking the cost over the last four years!) and that you are now forced to have the stoopid bio defence air filter nonsense and the upgraded stereo and air suspension - things I would choose to do without if given the choice
What’s so great about tebay? It’s a bit near to me (Preston) to be a lot of use though a splash and dash on the way home from the north could be useful
Oh I think I forgot to add that I looked again a couple of days ago at the Tesla configurator and was a bit mortified at the paint cost (1400 for metallic - used to be 800 - I have been tracking the cost over the last four years!) and that you are now forced to have the stoopid bio defence air filter nonsense and the upgraded stereo and air suspension - things I would choose to do without if given the choice
oop north said:
Should perhaps have also said that my wife’s reaction when I told her what a 3.0 merc e class estate would cost implies that her reaction to a Tesla at twice the price would be fairly scary! You are right - I should go and have another look at a Tesla, and maybe drive an X for the first time and S again.
What’s so great about tebay? It’s a bit near to me (Preston) to be a lot of use though a splash and dash on the way home from the north could be useful
Oh I think I forgot to add that I looked again a couple of days ago at the Tesla configurator and was a bit mortified at the paint cost (1400 for metallic - used to be 800 - I have been tracking the cost over the last four years!) and that you are now forced to have the stoopid bio defence air filter nonsense and the upgraded stereo and air suspension - things I would choose to do without if given the choice
Tebay is a big farm shop full of good food and great cakes, and is about as far removed from your standard motorway service station as you can get. Great views too. What’s so great about tebay? It’s a bit near to me (Preston) to be a lot of use though a splash and dash on the way home from the north could be useful
Oh I think I forgot to add that I looked again a couple of days ago at the Tesla configurator and was a bit mortified at the paint cost (1400 for metallic - used to be 800 - I have been tracking the cost over the last four years!) and that you are now forced to have the stoopid bio defence air filter nonsense and the upgraded stereo and air suspension - things I would choose to do without if given the choice
The bio defence thing is a gimmic, but the HEPA filter is actually really good, and even the nastiest of smells don’t get inside the cabin, not even the diesel exhaust when some one decides to floor it and tries to leave me behind 😆.
Over the last year or so they have streamlined the options, I agree it takes some budget choices away.
The free Supercharging for life is on the way out too, finishes middle of next month and is replaced by just one years free. You get the equivalent of about 1k miles free anyway and at 20p per kWh thereafter is cheaper than petrol anyway, but still worth getting it free if you can. I have an owners code you can use if you wish. Whether they bring it back the next time they want to boost sales is anyone’s guess. Mine would be probably!!
thought you were referring to the chargers! Anyway I had better not go on any more about Tesla on a jag thread...oop north said:
Oh I think I forgot to add that I looked again a couple of days ago at the Tesla configurator and was a bit mortified at the paint cost (1400 for metallic - used to be 800 - I have been tracking the cost over the last four years!) and that you are now forced to have the stoopid bio defence air filter nonsense and the upgraded stereo and air suspension - things I would choose to do without if given the choice
I suspect they've done this to simplify and standardise production, as part of a drive to reduce costs. It was a £4k option and it's added about £2.5k to the list price. Good news if you would have picked it anyway, bad news if you just want a basic, lowest price car.I too am mystified by the price and interest rate changes, often done at the drop off a hat. It's just erratic. That said, it doesn't make me want one any less. I guess I just need to figure out how to earn more money.
All roads lead to Tesla 
I went to the launch event at Guy Salmon in Ascot in April and was told they would have a demo car in July. Put my name down for a test drive and have heard nothing since. There was a lot of interest at the event - I'm sure it wasn't just for the warm fizz and M&S canapes.
The Autocar head to head with Tesla gave it to the i-Pace by half a star which is well within the bounds of personal choice.
Fairly certain my next car will be electric but think it will be at least a year away until I change.
I went to the launch event at Guy Salmon in Ascot in April and was told they would have a demo car in July. Put my name down for a test drive and have heard nothing since. There was a lot of interest at the event - I'm sure it wasn't just for the warm fizz and M&S canapes.
The Autocar head to head with Tesla gave it to the i-Pace by half a star which is well within the bounds of personal choice.
Fairly certain my next car will be electric but think it will be at least a year away until I change.
Vorix said:
All roads lead to Tesla
They might do if you're loaded. No amount of man maths or mental gymnastics has got me to the point where I can justify it. Love the car, just too expensive for me.I think I'm going to lease one of those Santander Volvo deals for a couple of years and then see where the electric car market is. I can't see Tesla residuals staying so strong once the Supercharger network is no longer free, and there's a bit more competition in the marketplace.
oop north said:
Drove one ten days ago. Didn’t like it (1) too much tyre noise (20” SE steel suspension) even on the smoothest tarmac (2) ride too firm / sporty for my liking. Disappointed as I don’t know what else to get - my i3 (due to go back in mid-December) is a bit small and my daughters hate it but just don’t fancy leaf or Kona etc. Merc eqc has date of arrival unknown ditto Audi and and audi’s Range 20% less than iPace. But not willing to order any of them until after a drive - my approach with the iPace and def the correct one
Interesting that you found the coil car too sporty! I find it incredibly soft, especially when compared to an i3 which is very busy.RacerMike said:
Interesting that you found the coil car too sporty! I find it incredibly soft, especially when compared to an i3 which is very busy.
I think it’s perhaps that I wanted it to replace a discovery as well as i3 - the noise and ride on a £35k i3 can be tolerated better than something a bit better for £70k+Been out on a test drive in an iPace twice now, although only about 40 minutes in total. Very, very impressed. The power is good - torquey from a standstill as you would expect, very smooth and strong acceleration, even at motorway speeds. Suspension and handling are excellent - it handles anything from smooth motorways to bumpy back roads really well. Unlike the author of the original post in this thread, I thought that interior noise levels were very low - it's a quiet, sophisticated car. Slow speed bumps are a little bit crashy but the demo car was running 22" wheels - I suspect 20" would be better. Steering feels a bit numb at slow speeds but is nicely weighted and feels better at speed. Regenerative braking feels the same as the BMW i3 but it won't actually stop - it will pull the car down from speed to a slow crawl but you need to use the brakes to come to a complete halt. Not sure that the regenerative braking is as well-integrated with the mechnical brakes as it is on the i3 - maybe it's just something to get used to. The iPace feels like a big, wide car and the driving position feels quite high. I've owned an i3; a V8 Jaguar XFR and a Range Rover and the iPace seems to combine the best bits of all three. To be honest, the overall driving experience felt most similar to the Range Rover. The interior is suitably opulent and the electronics and instruments seemed OK. Didn't like the orange-peel paint finish - it looks no better than you would expect on a cheap, mass market car, not worthy of a £70k to £80k Jaguar. I placed my order more than a year ago but elected not to confirm my order until the test drive. The dealer is offering me delivery in December for a S or SE model or in January 2019 for an HSE or First Edition. Dealer claimed that new orders placed today would be looking at a summer 2019 delivery. If you are after a full-size electric car, this is definitely worth a look and would be my choice over the Tesla (the only real alternative at the moment).
gazzathehutt said:
Been out on a test drive in an iPace twice now, although only about 40 minutes in total. Very, very impressed. The power is good - torquey from a standstill as you would expect, very smooth and strong acceleration, even at motorway speeds. Suspension and handling are excellent - it handles anything from smooth motorways to bumpy back roads really well. Unlike the author of the original post in this thread, I thought that interior noise levels were very low - it's a quiet, sophisticated car. Slow speed bumps are a little bit crashy but the demo car was running 22" wheels - I suspect 20" would be better. Steering feels a bit numb at slow speeds but is nicely weighted and feels better at speed. Regenerative braking feels the same as the BMW i3 but it won't actually stop - it will pull the car down from speed to a slow crawl but you need to use the brakes to come to a complete halt. Not sure that the regenerative braking is as well-integrated with the mechnical brakes as it is on the i3 - maybe it's just something to get used to. The iPace feels like a big, wide car and the driving position feels quite high. I've owned an i3; a V8 Jaguar XFR and a Range Rover and the iPace seems to combine the best bits of all three. To be honest, the overall driving experience felt most similar to the Range Rover. The interior is suitably opulent and the electronics and instruments seemed OK. Didn't like the orange-peel paint finish - it looks no better than you would expect on a cheap, mass market car, not worthy of a £70k to £80k Jaguar. I placed my order more than a year ago but elected not to confirm my order until the test drive. The dealer is offering me delivery in December for a S or SE model or in January 2019 for an HSE or First Edition. Dealer claimed that new orders placed today would be looking at a summer 2019 delivery. If you are after a full-size electric car, this is definitely worth a look and would be my choice over the Tesla (the only real alternative at the moment).
Interesting thoughts.There is quite a lot of talk about the relatively inefficiency of the car in terms of lower miles per kwh causing a lower than expected range. I've read a software update is due fairly soon from Jaguar which is designed to help address the problem.
Have you heard anything from the dealer about this?
EddieSteadyGo said:
Interesting thoughts.
There is quite a lot of talk about the relatively inefficiency of the car in terms of lower miles per kwh causing a lower than expected range. I've read a software update is due fairly soon from Jaguar which is designed to help address the problem.
Have you heard anything from the dealer about this?
In reality, I don't think this really matters to the average person. What matters is the range which seems to be fine for most considering an EV, but EV Internet forums seem absolutely obsessed with W/100km....There is quite a lot of talk about the relatively inefficiency of the car in terms of lower miles per kwh causing a lower than expected range. I've read a software update is due fairly soon from Jaguar which is designed to help address the problem.
Have you heard anything from the dealer about this?
RacerMike said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Interesting thoughts.
There is quite a lot of talk about the relatively inefficiency of the car in terms of lower miles per kwh causing a lower than expected range. I've read a software update is due fairly soon from Jaguar which is designed to help address the problem.
Have you heard anything from the dealer about this?
In reality, I don't think this really matters to the average person. What matters is the range which seems to be fine for most considering an EV, but EV Internet forums seem absolutely obsessed with W/100km....There is quite a lot of talk about the relatively inefficiency of the car in terms of lower miles per kwh causing a lower than expected range. I've read a software update is due fairly soon from Jaguar which is designed to help address the problem.
Have you heard anything from the dealer about this?
I think it is super important - there is a big difference between say buying a 12 month old i3 for £25k and spending over £70k+ on this type of car. At this level the car needs to have a very good usable range imho. The fact that Jaguar are saying they think they can improve things with some tweaked software is somewhat encouraging.
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