iPace currently available for £400/month wow!!
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dmsims said:
With regard to the anecdotes on the Tesla and the longer journeys
How many 100Kw DC charges are available (for the iPace) ?
Fully charging the iPace at 50Kw is going to take about 2 hours
Ionity have just started construction of their UK stations. One of the first is just off the A/M74 at Gretna. Neath, Maidstone and Thurrock are in process as well. There is also a charger in Norther Ireland just started construction as well. Looking at how quickly they have they rolled out across Europe, I hope there will be a different picture this time next year.How many 100Kw DC charges are available (for the iPace) ?
Fully charging the iPace at 50Kw is going to take about 2 hours
https://ionity.evapi.de/#/
Edited by Jasper3.0 on Sunday 16th December 14:00
Edited by Jasper3.0 on Sunday 16th December 17:31
red_slr said:
Is the cabin air only electric? I would have thought they would use a wet system with a rad but maybe not then?
Its free heat but I don't know anything about the way the iPace works.
No it's not fair only.Its free heat but I don't know anything about the way the iPace works.
It's a very elaborate system with several heat exchangers and sources heat from the batteries and fron air sources.
HVAC is the best part of a day of the training course.
I don't know how the iPace is setup but any heat in an EV comes from the battery, either through the HVAC system, heat seater, or heat generated by the drivetrain. Interms of drivetrain heat, from what I know how the Tesla system works any excess heat is first used to maintain battery temp.
Travelling at 70mph+ in barely above zero temps means lots of cold air around the battery which will cause heat loss, a cold battery is not an efficient one, hence first place any 'excess' heat goes is the battery.
The iPace does have a more efficent HVAC system than a Tesla, using a heat pump, but at close to zero the heat pump in my old Leaf pulled 4KW. Apparently heat seaters full less than 60Wh which is by far the most efficent way to keep the human warm in an EV.
The battery is still the most important part to heat up in an EV in cold weather, even with the heating system off my old Leaf had awful range in the cold - 60 miles absolute max, due to not been able to heat up the battery which means poor discharge efficency.
https://www.teslarati.com/energy-saving-tips-tesla...
Travelling at 70mph+ in barely above zero temps means lots of cold air around the battery which will cause heat loss, a cold battery is not an efficient one, hence first place any 'excess' heat goes is the battery.
The iPace does have a more efficent HVAC system than a Tesla, using a heat pump, but at close to zero the heat pump in my old Leaf pulled 4KW. Apparently heat seaters full less than 60Wh which is by far the most efficent way to keep the human warm in an EV.
The battery is still the most important part to heat up in an EV in cold weather, even with the heating system off my old Leaf had awful range in the cold - 60 miles absolute max, due to not been able to heat up the battery which means poor discharge efficency.
https://www.teslarati.com/energy-saving-tips-tesla...
Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 16th December 14:47
kizzz said:
Had mine for 3 months or so. Thought the charger was broken because it didn't do 22kw on 3 phase but just found out it doesn't accept this.
What's the point doing 100kw on dc but not accept 3 phase?
Because the on-board charger needs to be larger to do 22kW 3-phase vs 7kW single-phase, whereas doing 100kW on DC is potentially just slightly thicker cables; fuses and larger charge contactor(s). For the DC charging the expensive electronic bits are in the charge station, for AC charging those bits are on the car.What's the point doing 100kw on dc but not accept 3 phase?
kizzz said:
Had mine for 3 months or so. Thought the charger was broken because it didn't do 22kw on 3 phase but just found out it doesn't accept this.
What's the point doing 100kw on dc but not accept 3 phase?
Interesting.... and probably just saved me a load of hassle as I have 3 phase and was going to extend through to the garage.What's the point doing 100kw on dc but not accept 3 phase?
amstrange1 said:
Because the on-board charger needs to be larger to do 22kW 3-phase vs 7kW single-phase, whereas doing 100kW on DC is potentially just slightly thicker cables; fuses and larger charge contactor(s). For the DC charging the expensive electronic bits are in the charge station, for AC charging those bits are on the car.
Thanks didn't consider that. However I think they are slightly misleading with the advertising of fast charging. The reality is that you can never fast charge this car in the UK.
I had bought snazzy 3 phase keba ev charging stations for the new house. Guess I will have to wait for the next batch of evs.
kizzz said:
amstrange1 said:
Because the on-board charger needs to be larger to do 22kW 3-phase vs 7kW single-phase, whereas doing 100kW on DC is potentially just slightly thicker cables; fuses and larger charge contactor(s). For the DC charging the expensive electronic bits are in the charge station, for AC charging those bits are on the car.
Thanks didn't consider that. However I think they are slightly misleading with the advertising of fast charging. The reality is that you can never fast charge this car in the UK.
I had bought snazzy 3 phase keba ev charging stations for the new house. Guess I will have to wait for the next batch of evs.
Car arrived today! Unfortunately it sat on the drive until this evening when I got a chance to have a quick runaround, register the app etc. It might only be the basic model but it's OK although I may miss the heated windscreen, especially with the forecast for the next couple of days. Driving experience is excellent and the handling is very good, even on cold roads with cold tyres.
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