no more unlimited supercharging as from 16/09 - Tesla
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Mainstream manufacturers have been waiting in the wings, they have a much more stable financial position than Tesla, most of them will shortly introduce EVs that are streets ahead of Tesla in build quality. Add Musk's weirdness to the equation and their inability to build cars to meet demand, I reckon they will be toast within a couple of years
Edited by ninepoint2 on Saturday 22 September 23:44
ninepoint2 said:
Mainstream manufacturers have been waiting in the wings, they have a much more stable financial position than Tesla, most of them will shortly introduce EVs that are streets ahead of Tesla in build quality. Add Musk's weirdness to the equation and their inability to build cars to meet demand, I reckon they will be toast within a couple of years
YawnEdited by ninepoint2 on Saturday 22 September 23:44
The ipace seems to be very limited in production numbers and range seems to be chronic at the moment, the merc launch was laughable, BMW have been making EVs for years and haven't had any real impact on Tesla, and Audi may eventually get around to the etron in small numbers.
You say they can't build cars to meet demand, but they've the biggest EV production line out there with an annual production figure of about 350k units - I'd say they have too much production rather than your view of not enough.
Take a read of this, its about the most balanced view I've read and one I believe in:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-tesla-bears-and-...
Tesla seem to be doing well for a relatively young small car company in my view.
We've seem so many come and go and so many big names swallowed up and consolidated into other marques that its a minor miracle Tesla have managed to achieve what they have.
They are however, still a niche product. EV's on the whole are only bought by a relatively small number of enthusiasts and Tesla's are at the high end (read expensive) of that niche. Not many folks can afford to splash £60k+ on one of their cars.
I'm interested to see if they can pull off what they always intended to run towards - a sub $30k EV for the masses. Nissan and Renault have already done this, Tesla should have no trouble with a cheaper smaller battery. It will then remain to be seen if people will actually buy a budget Model 3 that'll just about manage 200 miles in summer and come with very basic trim, paint and tech.
That's on top of their desire to develop a pickup, cross over SUV and truck. They certainly have some major challenges ahead and it'll be interesting to see if they're still around as an independent in 10-15 years time.
Despite some slightly suspect sales methods (pyramid scheme-esq referral programs) and a very unstable boss they really do seem to listen and react to customers, something the legacy manufacturers could do well to learn from.
We've seem so many come and go and so many big names swallowed up and consolidated into other marques that its a minor miracle Tesla have managed to achieve what they have.
They are however, still a niche product. EV's on the whole are only bought by a relatively small number of enthusiasts and Tesla's are at the high end (read expensive) of that niche. Not many folks can afford to splash £60k+ on one of their cars.
I'm interested to see if they can pull off what they always intended to run towards - a sub $30k EV for the masses. Nissan and Renault have already done this, Tesla should have no trouble with a cheaper smaller battery. It will then remain to be seen if people will actually buy a budget Model 3 that'll just about manage 200 miles in summer and come with very basic trim, paint and tech.
That's on top of their desire to develop a pickup, cross over SUV and truck. They certainly have some major challenges ahead and it'll be interesting to see if they're still around as an independent in 10-15 years time.
Despite some slightly suspect sales methods (pyramid scheme-esq referral programs) and a very unstable boss they really do seem to listen and react to customers, something the legacy manufacturers could do well to learn from.
Edited by Smiljan on Sunday 23 September 13:10
I can only talk about my own experience with Tesla.
I am by no means an EV evangelist. I have a City and Guilds in Auto Mechanics, a BCA Business Account, a BMW Z3 Coupe, and E type and a Mercedes 500SL. I like all of them.
Sometimes it seems everyone has it in for Tesla. Especially some of the press.
I have now done 95,000 miles in my Model S 85 RWD. It has been fantastic.
It still has 905,000 miles and 5 years left on the warranty, as it came with 1000,000 miles on the drivetrain.
It has never had a service because it has never needed one and has been the paradigm of reliability.
I have had 3 sets of tyres and one windscreen and one set of wiper blades. The brakes/discs are still unworn. The interior is perfect too.
I bought it on the company and the tax benefits have been enormous. The whole cost was tax deductible from one years profits and the car benefits from 5% benefit BIK. This is something that is often overlooked by journalists.
I like driving around the Congestion Charge Zone in it for free, I go to Europe with the family and have filled up for free in France, Germany and Spain. No problems.
The range is still the same at 230 miles as when it was new and the performance is still electrifying.
It can take 3 bikes in the back with the seats down and still have loads of room in the front trunk. I have even had a washing machine in the back, it fitted comfortably.
The paint still shines, the sat nav mapping system is brilliant. I paid £52,000 for it and it is probably still worth £42,000.
I have a choice of nice cars including A Porsche Panamera D and BMW 520D. They are both like travelling back in time 100 years in comparison.
So I say cut Tesla some slack.
I am by no means an EV evangelist. I have a City and Guilds in Auto Mechanics, a BCA Business Account, a BMW Z3 Coupe, and E type and a Mercedes 500SL. I like all of them.
Sometimes it seems everyone has it in for Tesla. Especially some of the press.
I have now done 95,000 miles in my Model S 85 RWD. It has been fantastic.
It still has 905,000 miles and 5 years left on the warranty, as it came with 1000,000 miles on the drivetrain.
It has never had a service because it has never needed one and has been the paradigm of reliability.
I have had 3 sets of tyres and one windscreen and one set of wiper blades. The brakes/discs are still unworn. The interior is perfect too.
I bought it on the company and the tax benefits have been enormous. The whole cost was tax deductible from one years profits and the car benefits from 5% benefit BIK. This is something that is often overlooked by journalists.
I like driving around the Congestion Charge Zone in it for free, I go to Europe with the family and have filled up for free in France, Germany and Spain. No problems.
The range is still the same at 230 miles as when it was new and the performance is still electrifying.
It can take 3 bikes in the back with the seats down and still have loads of room in the front trunk. I have even had a washing machine in the back, it fitted comfortably.
The paint still shines, the sat nav mapping system is brilliant. I paid £52,000 for it and it is probably still worth £42,000.
I have a choice of nice cars including A Porsche Panamera D and BMW 520D. They are both like travelling back in time 100 years in comparison.
So I say cut Tesla some slack.
Edited by politeperson on Monday 24th September 15:45
That's pretty impressive, do you have a late model car though as the early ones seem to be constantly in and out of Tesla service being repaired.
Tesla is one of those companies that will always attract flak from some sides and fanaticism from others and I think those behind Tesla feed off the negative as well as positive press.
Do you think you'd buy the same car if you were spending your own money and didn't have those tax breaks?
As for not servicing it, personally I'd still be doing it myself once a year just to check nothing safety related is about to fail. I understand Tesla don't require it for warranty and their "service" prices are very high but I'd still be checking if I'd laid out that sort of money.
Tesla is one of those companies that will always attract flak from some sides and fanaticism from others and I think those behind Tesla feed off the negative as well as positive press.
Do you think you'd buy the same car if you were spending your own money and didn't have those tax breaks?
As for not servicing it, personally I'd still be doing it myself once a year just to check nothing safety related is about to fail. I understand Tesla don't require it for warranty and their "service" prices are very high but I'd still be checking if I'd laid out that sort of money.
politeperson said:
I can only talk about my own experience with Tesla.
I am by no means an EV evangelist. I have a City and Guilds in Auto Mechanics, a BCA Business Account, a BMW Z3 Coupe, and E type and a Mercedes 500SL. I like all of them.
Sometimes it seems everyone has it in for Tesla. Especially some of the press.
I have now done 95,000 miles in my Model S 85 RWD. It has been fantastic.
It still has 905,000 miles and 5 years left on the warranty, as it came with 1000,000 miles on the drivetrain.
It has never had a service because it has never needed one and has been the paradigm of reliability.
I have had 3 sets of tyres and one windscreen and one set of wiper blades. The brakes/discs are still unworn. The interior is perfect too.
I bought it on the company and the tax benefits have been enormous. The whole cost was tax deductible from one years profits and the car benefits from 5% benefit BIK. This is something that is often overlooked by journalists.
I like driving around the Congestion Charge Zone in it for free, I go to Europe with the family and have filled up for free in France, Germany and Spain. No problems.
The range is still the same at 230 miles as when it was new and the performance is still electrifying.
It can take 3 bikes in the back with the seats down and still have loads of room in the front trunk. I have even had a washing machine in the back, it fitted comfortably.
The paint still shines, the sat nav mapping system is brilliant. I paid £52,000 for it and it is probably still worth £42,000.
I have a choice of nice cars including A Porsche Panamera D and BMW 520D. They are both like travelling back in time 100 years in comparison.
So I say cut Tesla some slack.
great post.............I've never had a car through my company.I am by no means an EV evangelist. I have a City and Guilds in Auto Mechanics, a BCA Business Account, a BMW Z3 Coupe, and E type and a Mercedes 500SL. I like all of them.
Sometimes it seems everyone has it in for Tesla. Especially some of the press.
I have now done 95,000 miles in my Model S 85 RWD. It has been fantastic.
It still has 905,000 miles and 5 years left on the warranty, as it came with 1000,000 miles on the drivetrain.
It has never had a service because it has never needed one and has been the paradigm of reliability.
I have had 3 sets of tyres and one windscreen and one set of wiper blades. The brakes/discs are still unworn. The interior is perfect too.
I bought it on the company and the tax benefits have been enormous. The whole cost was tax deductible from one years profits and the car benefits from 5% benefit BIK. This is something that is often overlooked by journalists.
I like driving around the Congestion Charge Zone in it for free, I go to Europe with the family and have filled up for free in France, Germany and Spain. No problems.
The range is still the same at 230 miles as when it was new and the performance is still electrifying.
It can take 3 bikes in the back with the seats down and still have loads of room in the front trunk. I have even had a washing machine in the back, it fitted comfortably.
The paint still shines, the sat nav mapping system is brilliant. I paid £52,000 for it and it is probably still worth £42,000.
I have a choice of nice cars including A Porsche Panamera D and BMW 520D. They are both like travelling back in time 100 years in comparison.
So I say cut Tesla some slack.
Edited by politeperson on Monday 24th September 15:45
the BIK - is that 5% of the total purchase price as a one off? Or do you pay that every year?
Hello Smiljan,
My car is December 2015, so I think it benefited from some upgrades. I did have a 2014 Model S as well with a smaller battery I bought it at the 2014 Festival of Speed. That did 30,000 miles and was no trouble at all.
Yes I think I would buy another with my own money, even without the tax breaks.
I have never had it serviced because there is nothing to service. No oil, clutch, gearbox as such. If the battery coolant got low it would tell me, I can see the brakes through the wheels, I can see the tyres and they have an effective pressure monitoring system. I have never even cracked a wheel on 19 inch rims.
When I purchased this one the BIK was 0% and there was no luxury tax on cars over £40,000, so I was lucky.
Here she is after a hard days work charging. I also have a Citroen CX GTI Turbo1 (in the background) so that makes me a double petrol head.
My car is December 2015, so I think it benefited from some upgrades. I did have a 2014 Model S as well with a smaller battery I bought it at the 2014 Festival of Speed. That did 30,000 miles and was no trouble at all.
Yes I think I would buy another with my own money, even without the tax breaks.
I have never had it serviced because there is nothing to service. No oil, clutch, gearbox as such. If the battery coolant got low it would tell me, I can see the brakes through the wheels, I can see the tyres and they have an effective pressure monitoring system. I have never even cracked a wheel on 19 inch rims.
When I purchased this one the BIK was 0% and there was no luxury tax on cars over £40,000, so I was lucky.
Here she is after a hard days work charging. I also have a Citroen CX GTI Turbo1 (in the background) so that makes me a double petrol head.
Edited by politeperson on Monday 24th September 18:39
politeperson said:
I can only talk about my own experience with Tesla.
I am by no means an EV evangelist. I have a City and Guilds in Auto Mechanics, a BCA Business Account, a BMW Z3 Coupe, and E type and a Mercedes 500SL. I like all of them.
Sometimes it seems everyone has it in for Tesla. Especially some of the press.
I have now done 95,000 miles in my Model S 85 RWD. It has been fantastic.
It still has 905,000 miles and 5 years left on the warranty, as it came with 1000,000 miles on the drivetrain.
It has never had a service because it has never needed one and has been the paradigm of reliability.
I have had 3 sets of tyres and one windscreen and one set of wiper blades. The brakes/discs are still unworn. The interior is perfect too.
I bought it on the company and the tax benefits have been enormous. The whole cost was tax deductible from one years profits and the car benefits from 5% benefit BIK. This is something that is often overlooked by journalists.
I like driving around the Congestion Charge Zone in it for free, I go to Europe with the family and have filled up for free in France, Germany and Spain. No problems.
The range is still the same at 230 miles as when it was new and the performance is still electrifying.
It can take 3 bikes in the back with the seats down and still have loads of room in the front trunk. I have even had a washing machine in the back, it fitted comfortably.
The paint still shines, the sat nav mapping system is brilliant. I paid £52,000 for it and it is probably still worth £42,000.
I have a choice of nice cars including A Porsche Panamera D and BMW 520D. They are both like travelling back in time 100 years in comparison.
So I say cut Tesla some slack.
Don't know where you get your figures fromI am by no means an EV evangelist. I have a City and Guilds in Auto Mechanics, a BCA Business Account, a BMW Z3 Coupe, and E type and a Mercedes 500SL. I like all of them.
Sometimes it seems everyone has it in for Tesla. Especially some of the press.
I have now done 95,000 miles in my Model S 85 RWD. It has been fantastic.
It still has 905,000 miles and 5 years left on the warranty, as it came with 1000,000 miles on the drivetrain.
It has never had a service because it has never needed one and has been the paradigm of reliability.
I have had 3 sets of tyres and one windscreen and one set of wiper blades. The brakes/discs are still unworn. The interior is perfect too.
I bought it on the company and the tax benefits have been enormous. The whole cost was tax deductible from one years profits and the car benefits from 5% benefit BIK. This is something that is often overlooked by journalists.
I like driving around the Congestion Charge Zone in it for free, I go to Europe with the family and have filled up for free in France, Germany and Spain. No problems.
The range is still the same at 230 miles as when it was new and the performance is still electrifying.
It can take 3 bikes in the back with the seats down and still have loads of room in the front trunk. I have even had a washing machine in the back, it fitted comfortably.
The paint still shines, the sat nav mapping system is brilliant. I paid £52,000 for it and it is probably still worth £42,000.
I have a choice of nice cars including A Porsche Panamera D and BMW 520D. They are both like travelling back in time 100 years in comparison.
So I say cut Tesla some slack.
Edited by politeperson on Monday 24th September 15:45
You say you have 5 years left on your warranty, that must be the battery and drive train, that means the car is 2 years old which also means you must have bought one of the very last 85 ever made. And they've had unlimited warranty on the 85 so where you think its a million miles, I don't know.
The rest of the warranty ended at 50k miles
The car is also subject to 13% BIK this year and 16% next year
Your 100% FYA also unravels if and when you sell and you'll pay tax on the sale price.
And to say the Sat Nav is brilliant ...hmm. its one of the most criticised features of the car - just take a look here at some of the reported problems
http://tesla-info.com/issues.php
Not having a car serviced in that many miles is simply irresponsible, there are plenty of radiators, drive shafts, and a single speed gearbox with oil in it... its not just about pistons that means a car needs servicing.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Monday 24th September 18:45
Hello the Selfish Gene.
You pay it every year as a company employee, even if you own the company. When I bought it it was 0%, then it was 5% now its 13%.
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 5% of 52,000 which is £1,040 pa.
A lovely, similarly priced BMW 530 D xdrive currently has a BIK tax rate of 33%
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 33% of £52,000 which is £6,800 pa.
When you get in the the realms of 2.7 ton Discoveries and Range Rovers, life quickly becomes horrifically expensive tax wise.
You pay it every year as a company employee, even if you own the company. When I bought it it was 0%, then it was 5% now its 13%.
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 5% of 52,000 which is £1,040 pa.
A lovely, similarly priced BMW 530 D xdrive currently has a BIK tax rate of 33%
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 33% of £52,000 which is £6,800 pa.
When you get in the the realms of 2.7 ton Discoveries and Range Rovers, life quickly becomes horrifically expensive tax wise.
Edited by politeperson on Monday 24th September 18:59
politeperson said:
Hello the Selfish Gene.
You pay it every year as a company employee, even if you own the company.
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 5% of 52,000 which is £1,040 pa.
A lovely, similarly priced BMW 530 D xdrive currently has a BIK tax rate of 33%
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 33% of £52,000 which is £6,800 pa.
When you get in the the realms of 2.7 ton Discoveries and Range Rovers, life quickly becomes horrifically expensive tax wise.
You are wrong on BIK. Its not 5% in fact in 2016-17 when you bought the car it was 7% and in 17-18 it was 9% and this year its 13%. You pay it every year as a company employee, even if you own the company.
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 5% of 52,000 which is £1,040 pa.
A lovely, similarly priced BMW 530 D xdrive currently has a BIK tax rate of 33%
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 33% of £52,000 which is £6,800 pa.
When you get in the the realms of 2.7 ton Discoveries and Range Rovers, life quickly becomes horrifically expensive tax wise.
politeperson said:
Admittedly I do just leave it with the accountants.
Tesla have inspected my car every year since I have had it.
I see you have a £125,000 P90DL. I reckon I got 95% of your car for 40% of the price.
Good luck with your alloys.
I bought it for 77k a year ago and its still worth that - there's a website that shows you the prices of them allTesla have inspected my car every year since I have had it.
I see you have a £125,000 P90DL. I reckon I got 95% of your car for 40% of the price.
Good luck with your alloys.
Funny how I've never had it serviced has now turned into having it inspected every year.
And I can drive and park and my alloys are still immaculate thanks
And as a little aside, if you bought a BMW 530e, you'd be paying less BIK compared to you Tesla as the rate is the same and the P11D value is lower.
As you have observed I own a Tesla, I'm actually on my second, they're great cars, but I get fed up with inaccurate information thats put out by some owners and they're not perfect, far from it, I just prefer it to the alternatives.
politeperson said:
Hello the Selfish Gene.
You pay it every year as a company employee, even if you own the company. When I bought it it was 0%, then it was 5% now its 13%.
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 5% of 52,000 which is £1,040 pa.
A lovely, similarly priced BMW 530 D xdrive currently has a BIK tax rate of 33%
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 33% of £52,000 which is £6,800 pa.
When you get in the the realms of 2.7 ton Discoveries and Range Rovers, life quickly becomes horrifically expensive tax wise.
Just to correct thisYou pay it every year as a company employee, even if you own the company. When I bought it it was 0%, then it was 5% now its 13%.
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 5% of 52,000 which is £1,040 pa.
A lovely, similarly priced BMW 530 D xdrive currently has a BIK tax rate of 33%
So a 40% taxpayer pays 40% of 33% of £52,000 which is £6,800 pa.
When you get in the the realms of 2.7 ton Discoveries and Range Rovers, life quickly becomes horrifically expensive tax wise.
Edited by politeperson on Monday 24th September 18:59
BIK on a Tesla is 13% this year of 52k which is tax on 6,760
BIK on a BMW 330e is 13% on 48k which is tax on 6,240
Its why people are buying Hybrids, most of them are taxed at the same rate as 100% electric cars.
you did well on purchase price to get your Tesla for £52k. If that’s after the 4500 grant then you are paying tax on a list price of £56,500. If it’s still worth 42k and you aren’t servicing it then you’re paying for tyres and have had only £10k depreciation. You will be paying tax on more car benefit than you are actually getting as benefit - 16% next year might be worth suffering to get to 2 % the year after but there can be little doubt that you will be paying tax on too much income both this year and last year (and there’s employer’s national insurance too on that).
The corporation tax saving on purchase price is only a timing difference - you get accelerated relief, but no more tax relief in the long Run. And the comparison with suv’s Is pointless - you would have to be mad to put one of them through your company - so a Tesla being better than that is setting the bar pointlessly low. I am probably doing with a company car for 16 months from when my i3 goes back in December as the car bik tax at 16% would mean paying tax on higher income than I am taking as a car. April 2020 and 2% will make a used electric car worthwhile (though you won’t get the accelerated corp tax relief)
The corporation tax saving on purchase price is only a timing difference - you get accelerated relief, but no more tax relief in the long Run. And the comparison with suv’s Is pointless - you would have to be mad to put one of them through your company - so a Tesla being better than that is setting the bar pointlessly low. I am probably doing with a company car for 16 months from when my i3 goes back in December as the car bik tax at 16% would mean paying tax on higher income than I am taking as a car. April 2020 and 2% will make a used electric car worthwhile (though you won’t get the accelerated corp tax relief)
ninepoint2 said:
Mainstream manufacturers have been waiting in the wings, they have a much more stable financial position than Tesla, most of them will shortly introduce EVs that are streets ahead of Tesla in build quality. Add Musk's weirdness to the equation and their inability to build cars to meet demand, I reckon they will be toast within a couple of years
Ten years ago, that argument was credible, its certainly isn't any more, and anyone who makes it is just out of touch with reality.Edited by ninepoint2 on Saturday 22 September 23:44
People have been saying for the past ten years "once the ICE manufacturers get into the game its over for Tesla" but theres been no actual evidence of this and its clear from newly announced models there wont be for at least 3 years (and even then its only VW in big numbers, not a competitor for tesla, a competitor for low to mid range ICE)
The new cars announced over the last few months (many not available for a year or two yet, try buying the new Audi) are unimpressive when compared to Tesla models in range or speed, they dont have SC network access, and are produced in such low quantities that even if they were the dogs doodads, they would be no threat.
You might think the iPace for example looks like a good candidate to replace the Model S or X, but its already being discounted (not usually a sign how well something is selling) , its range is unimpressive, it has poorer acceleration figures than the smaller model 3,and its the best of a bunch of equally low volume (and much duller) german contenders. Kia and Hyundai have some new models out but they are lower range and produced in middling numbers. US manufacturers have nothing.
The new stuff from VW looks good but its a a couple years off, maybe 3 years in real volume, and its not competing with Tesla either.
Finally when you criticise Tesla for not meeting demand, thats a nice problem to have !! Better than the opposite, Jag are seemingly having to discount to keep iPace sales up (or they got their pricing very wrong) and manufacturers like VW who did produce EvVs people wanted (Golf GTE and EV) had to stop taking orders as they couldn't make enough! (from their very low planned production numbers as well. So none of this "quick ramp up to build 10x more "that Tesla naysayers often state will happen "when the big boys get round to it". WHy didnt you slag off VW, hyundai , GM and Kia for not even trying to increase production of their EVs rather than Tesla which as ramping at the fastest rate ever seen for a new car manufacturer.
BTW, I'm not a Tesla fanboi either, i drive a Soul, might be tempted by the iPace deals if they are around in a years time, but i can recognise what tesla have done and are doing and see the pathetic efforts that legacy manufacturers are making.
Edited by AnotherJoe on Wednesday 26th September 12:20
Edited by AnotherJoe on Wednesday 26th September 12:22
PixelpeepS3 said:
i liked the idea of the freedom to be able to, regardless of bank balance, be able to drive to say Scotland, topping up for free along the way..
Anyone feel the same? am i being a wuss ?
Coming back to the 'worth' of 'Free' Supercharging....Anyone feel the same? am i being a wuss ?
I normally don't ever use SuperChargers in the UK, may be once in a few months. Currently am half way through a family holiday in France, and if I said I wasn't apprehensive about taking a 2.5 ton EV to a foreign country I would be lying.
But so far the experience has been sublime, and having an EV has been no more different to when we took the 335i around Europe. The French has a huge amount of 22KW public chargers at all the popular tourist spots, and at a cost of £4 for 50% charge (100-120 miles of range) its hardly any more expensive than charging at home. Infact I just parked up with 89% SOC after charging up whilst having Coffee and cake at a local village patisserie (what else is there to do on holiday).
Yes we did 100% need the speed/reliability of Tesla Superchargers to get us to France, but actually I would be perfectly happy 'pay as you go' for Supercharger access.
Infact I would say any of the current EVs to market this year would have been equally as relaxed/good on this trip - iPace/40kWh Zoe/Leaf/Kona etc.
The die-hard 'road warriors' who drive for 6hrs none stop whilst towing a house and in -20 degrees will find EVs will never suite their needs, but for normal families/people, a 200-300 real world range EV + decent charging network is more than good enough to take over from combustion cars with no added in connivence. Infact the biggest inconvenience is having the car fully charged ready to go before we have finished lunch/tea/sight seeing, twice now I've had to move the car so not to 'block' the chargers for others - More charging points in car parks will solve this issue, and that's got nothing to do with Tesla.
Tesla HAD TO STOP 'free' rapid charging, it just doesn't make any kind of sense to offer it for free, but what Tesla have shown is just how good/easy life is with EVs with a decent reliable rapid charging network.........We're already planning our next European road trip holiday, the northern Italian lakes looks good
. EV aren't about Tesla, and EVs aren't 20 years away, they are here and now!!
Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 26th September 17:55
Christmassss said:
ntiz said:
Before I made the decision not to go for second Tesla it was this that put me on the spot. I had to decide before the 16th if I was going to order one and defer until next year.
As has already been said in the grand scheme of things its not that big a deal put personally the way I justify all the time I have spent at chargers is that I'm travelling for free. Paying to be inconvenienced for me would be a bit much.
That is of course just my personal preference. I do 25k+ a year in mine so I do spend quite a lot of time at chargers.
Speaking to the guys at WD it seems the referral system will still exist but only gives free charging for the first year.
This could actually be a big moment for the development of EVs as paying to charge starts to take hold. The rumour is that the Porsche Taycan cost to charge will not be that much cheaper than petrol.
Shell is putting chargers in that will cost 49p a KWh https://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/welcome-to-shell-...
Will be interesting if this slows the uptake of EVs at all. The tax man hasn't got involved yet either.
49p a KWH! By the time i have fed myself and the 4 mini me's in the local rip off costa/starbucks etc, i might as well have just filled up with petrol!As has already been said in the grand scheme of things its not that big a deal put personally the way I justify all the time I have spent at chargers is that I'm travelling for free. Paying to be inconvenienced for me would be a bit much.
That is of course just my personal preference. I do 25k+ a year in mine so I do spend quite a lot of time at chargers.
Speaking to the guys at WD it seems the referral system will still exist but only gives free charging for the first year.
This could actually be a big moment for the development of EVs as paying to charge starts to take hold. The rumour is that the Porsche Taycan cost to charge will not be that much cheaper than petrol.
Shell is putting chargers in that will cost 49p a KWh https://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/welcome-to-shell-...
Will be interesting if this slows the uptake of EVs at all. The tax man hasn't got involved yet either.
Serious question though, do you think the Government will start taxing recharging at filling stations?
As part of that I was shown a document that has been produced in conjunction with local authorities in the area, the government, electric grid and some of the major petrol station operators.
I knew nothing about this until I read this doc, but it had looked at various issues with elec charging. The gist was the current elec infrastructure can’t be upgraded to cope with the expected demand from charging cars at home. Imagine it like the switch from copper to broadband but worse.
Instead petrol stations, especially on motorways and bigger roads are much easier to upgrade to the higher elec usage. This will also allow the government to charge tax at point of sale the same as petrol. The document was very clear the government do not see cars being charged at home.
It had loads of other interesting stuff such as how lamppost charging was impractical as (in this part of UK anyway) theyvare at the back of pavements so the cables are out for health and safety.
I will see if I can share the doc, but it’s probably a no. But they are definitely working on rolling out charges, next step is also making installing elec charges easier with no planning at existing sites/ services.
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