All electric Audi
Discussion
DaveH23 said:
Why over complicate something as simple as door mirrors?
It's definitely a gimmick, although one design to reduce drag. Still, if they wanted to reduce drag in earnest, they'd not have given it an enormous SUV profile.I like it though, I'd certainly consider one in a couple of years time
Not bashing (I'm not a Tesla owner / zealot)
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/18/ubs-says-audis-dis...
Basically I think same boat as BMW and Mercedes.
So far the most impressive full EV available in the UK to rival the Tesla (for affordable money) is the Kona EV still I think. 64kWh, reasonable range, reasonable price. Yeah a NIO EP9 would be nice, but beyond the realms of most of us.
No-one has the charger network (yet), no-one has the battery build capacity (yet), no-one has the OTA updates and field updates that Tesla does (though it's shonkily held together at the back end). Can't even test drive half the field of EVs - Nissan is the best with giving extended test drives it seems.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/18/ubs-says-audis-dis...
Basically I think same boat as BMW and Mercedes.
So far the most impressive full EV available in the UK to rival the Tesla (for affordable money) is the Kona EV still I think. 64kWh, reasonable range, reasonable price. Yeah a NIO EP9 would be nice, but beyond the realms of most of us.
No-one has the charger network (yet), no-one has the battery build capacity (yet), no-one has the OTA updates and field updates that Tesla does (though it's shonkily held together at the back end). Can't even test drive half the field of EVs - Nissan is the best with giving extended test drives it seems.
I'd agree on range
But, I am sure 80% plus of people buying an EV car are not in it for the 0-60 times. Which seemed to be part of the focus of the article.
Wider choice of vehicles, lower cost to purchase. Familiarity of brand - all of those, I suspect, will be telling from here on in
But, I am sure 80% plus of people buying an EV car are not in it for the 0-60 times. Which seemed to be part of the focus of the article.
Wider choice of vehicles, lower cost to purchase. Familiarity of brand - all of those, I suspect, will be telling from here on in
caseys said:
no-one has the OTA updates and field updates that Tesla does (though it's shonkily held together at the back end).
The I Pace has OTA updates....https://media.jaguar.com/2018/new-all-electric-jag...
RacerMike said:
I sit corrected sir! and good to see. I'll watch with interest to see if another company can get it right! Tesla have had some OTA issues with some updates for the 3 and I've heard a lot of stories of updates creaking.caseys said:
Not bashing (I'm not a Tesla owner / zealot)
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/18/ubs-says-audis-dis...
Basically I think same boat as BMW and Mercedes.
So far the most impressive full EV available in the UK to rival the Tesla (for affordable money) is the Kona EV still I think. 64kWh, reasonable range, reasonable price. Yeah a NIO EP9 would be nice, but beyond the realms of most of us.
Most of the electric cars by the German competition are based on already existing platforms, this means that they can't offer any of the space advantages that you would normally expect from an EV. However this allows them to manufacture them on existing production lines, with an extra step for the electric motors. They won't encounter any of the production problems that Tesla currently has. Given that there is no shortage on batteries, if necessary they can put out large quantities. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/18/ubs-says-audis-dis...
Basically I think same boat as BMW and Mercedes.
So far the most impressive full EV available in the UK to rival the Tesla (for affordable money) is the Kona EV still I think. 64kWh, reasonable range, reasonable price. Yeah a NIO EP9 would be nice, but beyond the realms of most of us.
As far as I know, they chose this slow approach because it is very cost effective. I'm not sure why the analyst says otherwise. It's just to put their solutions on the map, I doubt initial demand will be very high.
They are already developing a dedicated platform for fully electric vehicles, but it will be another 3 or 4 years until release. I don't think they have to hurry either, ICE still sells very well and we will probably see a transition with better hybrid systems, before fully electric is largely adopted. Also, I think current tech and infrastructure needs to advance significantly.
caseys said:
No-one has the charger network (yet),
VW (Audi), Mercedes, BMW, Ford and Shell have an agreement with Ionity, which is potentially more powerful at 350 kWh (can charge the e-tron at 150 kWh) vs. 135 kWh from the Tesla SC. Furthermore Audi has partnered with other charger networks, they claim to have over 70.000 charging points in Europe alone by the start of 2019.
caseys said:
no-one has the battery build capacity (yet)
Audi and Mercedes have their own factories, BMW probably as well but I'm not looking that up, to assemble the batteries. The only problem is that the battery cells are shipped from china. If there is a shortage, they will have production issues.caseys said:
no-one has the OTA updates and field updates that Tesla does (though it's shonkily held together at the back end).
Audi has OTA updates, but I'm not sure that's necessarily a good thing. Tesla have been deactivating and activating certain features from time to time and the updates are mandatory. The current update disables Autopilot functionality on some cars, in the past there was lane assist that has been disabled for quite a while, the safety feature in the Model X doors that stop them when resistance is noticed was disabled etc.Edited by IbrahimLafayette on Tuesday 18th September 20:28
IbrahimLafayette said:
Audi and Mercedes have their own factories, BMW probably as well but I'm not looking that up, to assemble the batteries. The only problem is that the battery cells are shipped from china. If there is a shortage, they will have production issues.
Not sure about Merc but VAG have a very small trial production facility and are currently planning to buy in all of their batteries from LG chem etc though they are also thinking of starting proper scale production too, there isnt any actual activity there yet.RobDickinson said:
Not sure about Merc but VAG have a very small trial production facility and are currently planning to buy in all of their batteries from LG chem etc though they are also thinking of starting proper scale production too, there isnt any actual activity there yet.
Audi stated that they are able to produce batteries alongside new e-tron production in brussels, it doesn't say to what extent. "[...]the plant has extensively rebuilt its body shop, paint shop and assembly line step by step, and has set up its own battery production[...]"
REALIST123 said:
kambites said:
If there's one thing Musk is good at, it's keeping himself and his products in the public eye. Can you really see the German CEOs behaving like him? 
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