They're here.........genuine Tesla competitors
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RobDickinson said:
ntiz said:
In fairness this is bit of an issue with Tesla I was looking at buying a Model S 100d couple of months back the price changed 3 times in 2 weeks. On the website the spec also changed as well but was hard to keep track when you are considering spending 100k+ it is a little disconcerting.
This +++++. If they didn’t carry on like this there would be a chance I would get one. When I had a test drive (4 years ago now) the prices had changed the previous working day, and changed again the following working day. I struggle to trust someone who doesn’t know what to sell their product at - if they don’t manage that properly what else are thy fouling up? And their extreme reluctance to just show the price of the vehicle before the grant makes me think they are inherently dishonest It's crazy options appearing, disappearing, changing price like there is no though or strategy. Plus the poor way the price is displayed 'after fuel savings'.
Mr is only 3k cheaper than the old long range rwd now..
This isn’t helped that when I have been in dealerships the salesmen just say what they think you want to hear.
Which doesn’t give a good overall feeling that they you won’t get screwed. Even on my current car I was told one of the packs had the extended leather in it then my car arrived I said were is it. Oh the pack changed. WTF
Which doesn’t give a good overall feeling that they you won’t get screwed. Even on my current car I was told one of the packs had the extended leather in it then my car arrived I said were is it. Oh the pack changed. WTF
I've just read through this thread and a thought occured to me - Are there currently any rules about taking your driving test in an electric car ? If it has regenerative braking it will be a completely different experience to driving an ICE.
And once you've passed in an electric car, will you then be allowed to drive an ICE ?
And once you've passed in an electric car, will you then be allowed to drive an ICE ?
thatjagbloke said:
I've just read through this thread and a thought occured to me - Are there currently any rules about taking your driving test in an electric car ? If it has regenerative braking it will be a completely different experience to driving an ICE.
And once you've passed in an electric car, will you then be allowed to drive an ICE ?
Other than it being an automatic I wouldn’t say there’s any difference to a normal driving test/license. And once you've passed in an electric car, will you then be allowed to drive an ICE ?
gangzoom said:
The Kona EV is the BEST EV on the market right now in terms of price/range/tech, much better value than a Model 3, and makea a joke of how much a S/X/iPace/Audi/Merc costs. The only draw back is its small, but so it the 3/iPace.
If it was actually 4wd with real ground clearance I'd have an order in for one.. Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 24th October 10:39
audi321 said:
thatjagbloke said:
I've just read through this thread and a thought occured to me - Are there currently any rules about taking your driving test in an electric car ? If it has regenerative braking it will be a completely different experience to driving an ICE.
And once you've passed in an electric car, will you then be allowed to drive an ICE ?
Other than it being an automatic I wouldn’t say there’s any difference to a normal driving test/license. And once you've passed in an electric car, will you then be allowed to drive an ICE ?
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/101039/electr...
cj2013 said:
ncbbmw said:
Tell me about it, after 75000 miles I've had to buy 3 pollen filters, 4 tyres and a tin of brake fluid
Worst still I'll need to buy another pollen filter and tin of brake fluid next month..
Worst still I'll need to buy another pollen filter and tin of brake fluid next month..
CooperS said:
Boo frigin hoo. There are less and less buyers in the saloon market. What is so special about a saloons anyway?
Well the ~10% reduced frontal area of a conventional car compared to an SUV is not to be sniffed at with regard to range at motorway speeds. Of course people may be willing to sacrifice ~30 miles of range for the styling and driving position of an SUV. I'm sure Hyundai know their market. There's a good reason that most early "eco" cars were fast-back hatchbacks; but there's obviously also a reason that e-SUVs are starting to appear now - if they're going to go mainstream they need to produce what people actually want to buy, even if it makes for a technically "worse" vehicle.
The Kona is interesting for me because it appears to be the first EV in the UK market which would genuinely work for us as a family car. Everything else is either too short-range, too small and impractical, or too expensive.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 25th October 09:44
CooperS said:
What is so special about a saloons anyway?
They are a man’s car. Strictly not for those awful women type. A saloon is what a real man drives. The type of man who knows how to keep his wife in order. A real man drives from provincial town to provincial town with his coat hanger samples knowing that his saloon with its lower centre of gravity defines him as a man among men.
Basically, like our man’s man, saloons are a bit of an evolutionary dead end. When competing against SUVs, hatchbacks or estates at Le Mans they may hugely excel because of their lower centre of gravity or reduced front area etc but on planet Earth where car consumers live these vital advantages are of no relevance at all. Even the estate is being shown as a dead end as what it primarily excels at is being done better by hatchbacks and SUVs.
Efficient use of space and maximum user practicality are the core factors that clearly trump fuel economy or maximum attack corner speed.
gangzoom said:
The Kona EV is the BEST EV on the market right now in terms of price/range/tech, much better value than a Model 3, and makea a joke of how much a S/X/iPace/Audi/Merc costs. The only draw back is its small, but so it the 3/iPace.
I passed a Kona on the motorway this morning; they're quite small. MUCH smaller than, say, an Evoque (there was one near to it for comparison), so it must also be much smaller than the iPace? It was the size of, and looked like, a Renault Captur.DonkeyApple said:
They are a man’s car. Strictly not for those awful women type. A saloon is what a real man drives. The type of man who knows how to keep his wife in order.
A real man drives from provincial town to provincial town with his coat hanger samples knowing that his saloon with its lower centre of gravity defines him as a man among men.
Basically, like our man’s man, saloons are a bit of an evolutionary dead end. When competing against SUVs, hatchbacks or estates at Le Mans they may hugely excel because of their lower centre of gravity or reduced front area etc but on planet Earth where car consumers live these vital advantages are of no relevance at all. Even the estate is being shown as a dead end as what it primarily excels at is being done better by hatchbacks and SUVs.
Efficient use of space and maximum user practicality are the core factors that clearly trump fuel economy or maximum attack corner speed.
A real man drives from provincial town to provincial town with his coat hanger samples knowing that his saloon with its lower centre of gravity defines him as a man among men.
Basically, like our man’s man, saloons are a bit of an evolutionary dead end. When competing against SUVs, hatchbacks or estates at Le Mans they may hugely excel because of their lower centre of gravity or reduced front area etc but on planet Earth where car consumers live these vital advantages are of no relevance at all. Even the estate is being shown as a dead end as what it primarily excels at is being done better by hatchbacks and SUVs.
Efficient use of space and maximum user practicality are the core factors that clearly trump fuel economy or maximum attack corner speed.
CAPP0 said:
I passed a Kona on the motorway this morning; they're quite small. MUCH smaller than, say, an Evoque (there was one near to it for comparison), so it must also be much smaller than the iPace? It was the size of, and looked like, a Renault Captur.
Yeah it's actually a slightly smaller car than the Leaf. When the 60Kwh Leaf appears they'll be pretty much direct competitors. MrBarry123 said:
DonkeyApple said:
They are a man’s car. Strictly not for those awful women type. A saloon is what a real man drives. The type of man who knows how to keep his wife in order.
A real man drives from provincial town to provincial town with his coat hanger samples knowing that his saloon with its lower centre of gravity defines him as a man among men.
Basically, like our man’s man, saloons are a bit of an evolutionary dead end. When competing against SUVs, hatchbacks or estates at Le Mans they may hugely excel because of their lower centre of gravity or reduced front area etc but on planet Earth where car consumers live these vital advantages are of no relevance at all. Even the estate is being shown as a dead end as what it primarily excels at is being done better by hatchbacks and SUVs.
Efficient use of space and maximum user practicality are the core factors that clearly trump fuel economy or maximum attack corner speed.
A real man drives from provincial town to provincial town with his coat hanger samples knowing that his saloon with its lower centre of gravity defines him as a man among men.
Basically, like our man’s man, saloons are a bit of an evolutionary dead end. When competing against SUVs, hatchbacks or estates at Le Mans they may hugely excel because of their lower centre of gravity or reduced front area etc but on planet Earth where car consumers live these vital advantages are of no relevance at all. Even the estate is being shown as a dead end as what it primarily excels at is being done better by hatchbacks and SUVs.
Efficient use of space and maximum user practicality are the core factors that clearly trump fuel economy or maximum attack corner speed.
kambites said:
The Kona is interesting for me because it appears to be the first EV in the UK market which would genuinely work for us as a family car. Everything else is either too short-range, too small and impractical, or too expensive.
That pretty much sums it up for most I’d say. Smiljan said:
CooperS said:
Yep my i3 in its 42k miles has needed..... 2 tyres.... My wife's Abarth which is a shoe box will cost multiples of my car to service and run if it were to do the same mileage
Italian vs German 
k do you make unreliable copper wire!
kambites said:
The Kona is interesting for me because it appears to be the first EV in the UK market which would genuinely work for us as a family car. Everything else is either too short-range, too small and impractical, or too expensive.
The Kona is also pretty small. For my purposes, something roughly the size of a Model S or Model X would be great. I just can't afford them. The wait for a decent, practical and affordable EV is annoying.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff