PHEV cars rarely Charged and run on Petrol

PHEV cars rarely Charged and run on Petrol

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Russ T Bolt

1,686 posts

282 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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REALIST123 said:
Russ T Bolt said:
REALIST123 said:
Russ T Bolt said:
Jag_NE said:
Russ T Bolt said:
Jag_NE said:
cj2013 said:
Jag_NE said:
Yes, crap power train aside they are still awful cars.
You seem to be quite bothered by them. I've heard nothing but glowing reports from everyone who owns one. Most dealers sell them as soon as they arrive, too.
They are awful inside and out.
I disagree, what car do you drive so that I can make a random judgement on it ?
I have an XF.
And you still think the Outlander is an awful car, odd.
Are you really saying you think the outlander’s better than the XF?

Let me give you a clue; one regularly achieves 4+ out of 5 stars in reviews and is credited with ‘class leading dynamics’.

The other manages 2 stars in most categories, though it’s cheap price and space are occasionally credited with more.

I guess none of those reviewers have a clue?
I can’t see where I said that.

They aren’t comparable cars.

But as a daily driver I want a car I know will start and get me to my destination. Which do you think is likely to achieve that ?
I think the Jaguar’s just as likely to get you where you’re going as the Outlander. Faster and more comfortably too.

You have some odd perceptions.
My views aren’t perceptions, they are experiences of people around me.

Whilst waiting for his new company car my boss was given an XF hire car, he missed 2 meetings I know of because the car let him down. He didn’t have a single good word for it.

Edited by Russ T Bolt on Wednesday 21st November 08:50

DonkeyApple

54,923 posts

168 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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You’ve made a good point. If you drive a Jag you can skip more dreadful and pointless meetings as people will more easily believe the old ‘break down’ tale. It would explain why golf course car parks a full of them during the working week. wink

The PHEV concept, on paper, is brilliant. It has the potential to be a family car that can spend the week pottering doing the local chores on electric, charged slowly and cheaply overnight and at the weekend will cruise efficiently and cost effectively with the whole family on the motorway but both motors combined will give the performance required to safely overtake the zombie holocaust of plodders that blight every journey.

The downsides is that you smack yourself with the running costs of an ICE maintenance wise and the up front cost of an extra electric motor and it’s battery pack. The alternate logical solution being a smaller, pure EV for the domestic duties and a traditional, larger ICE for the non local stuff etc. But that obviously has even higher cost implications as you still have the ICE to maintain and the EV to buy but they are in two separate objects.

But that’s on paper. Currently the reality is not so aligned. Pure EVs remain considerably more expensive than their ICE counterparts and the PHEVs that are on the market haven’t yet hit that sweet spot of being genuinely superior to ICE. They are currently more beneficial for the larger majority as tax wheezes as discussed in this thread.

These are two reviews I found for a pair of cars from manaufacturers who you would expect to have done a better job with their products but we have to assume that things will improve rapidly and that these first attempts were really just cobbled together quickly and cheaply to cater for the silly tax wheezes and that down the line, demand from consumers wanting a real solution means that next generation hybrids get designed to genuinely deliver their true potential:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volvo/xc60/100372/vo...

https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche-caye...

jason61c

5,978 posts

173 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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I'm one who barely charges his PHEV. v60 twin engine.

It does about 44mpg average(35k in 18months), I don't think there's any value in charging it. It just runs the same as a 'better' prius.

now that the tax rules have changed again, thanks to the stupid rules the goverment put in place my next car with be a x350d or similar.

herewego

8,814 posts

212 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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jason61c said:
I'm one who barely charges his PHEV. v60 twin engine.

It does about 44mpg average(35k in 18months), I don't think there's any value in charging it. It just runs the same as a 'better' prius.

now that the tax rules have changed again, thanks to the stupid rules the government put in place my next car with be a x350d or similar.
What stupid rules?

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

129 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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herewego said:
What stupid rules?
Isn’t Bik going up to 22% then down to 2% on hybrids but they must be able to do 50 miles on battery power alone?

It’s about time they closed the loop hole for commercial vehicles. It’s scandillous you could get a 50k transporter and pay less tax on it than a polo


jason61c

5,978 posts

173 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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Yes, a 50k pickup truck or a Vw kombi fully specced out is is flat rate tax as it’s classed as a commercial Vehicle. So £1200 a year for a 40% tax payer.

It’s the governments fault for putting these rules together and trying to squeeze everything so much.

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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I had a Range Rover Sport PHEV for the weekend. Two four hour drives, some light off-roading. 500 miles.

Happy to report that the car is content to cruise at high speeds (upper decile of outside lane in motorway speeds) without any battery charge. The sat nav ekes out the battery life so you arrive with 0%.

Competent off-road (mud tracks).

Engine response isn’t perfect linear but I think one would learn its quirks. It’s not bad or even poor, just that one can sense some of the transitions.

Fuel economy is shocking on long runs (as you’d expect). 25mpg over 450 miles. This includes one half charge of electricity at the beginning. This is obviously the worst way to drive the car - heavily laden with no battery for most of the journey.

The engine is not too raucous. Floor it and it sounds like a hot hatch is next to you revving its engine. Probably quieter than the V8 diesel though.

clarkey

1,365 posts

283 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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I have a BMW 530e company car. I charge it whenever i can, largely because I pay for my fuel and claim back. I am averaging over 120mpg so far, and get over 60mpg on a longer run by conserving battery power for traffic and acceleration. It works well for me, and filling up once a month makes a nice change.

piecost76

271 posts

173 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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jason61c said:
Yes, a 50k pickup truck or a Vw kombi fully specced out is is flat rate tax as it’s classed as a commercial Vehicle. So £1200 a year for a 40% tax payer.

It’s the governments fault for putting these rules together and trying to squeeze everything so much.
That's certainly no longer the case any more for the VW Kombi as I have found out to my cost!

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Had to leave a beautiful T6 Kombi and into a 330e (first world "problems" eh?) for BIK reasons as the Kombi is no longer classed as a van for BIK purposes. Great shame as it was the perfect family car (kids, dogs, bikes etc. etc.!)

Am now handing the 330e back and going into a double cab pickup without the roof on the load area!