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T5GRF said:
on balance I'll prob stump up the £15.5k required to buy it, maybe I'll get lucky and score some interest free finance..
A neighbour of mine has just bought a 2015 i3 on finance. He claims that he got a government grant as it was still in warranty. Works out at £150/month for two years apparently. Not sure how verifiable this is...gangzoom said:
EPA range of the Kona is 258 miles, about 20 more than Leaf. The Leaf is a much bigger car though.
Is it, really? looking at both (ive been in driven both) I dont think so, more rear legroom in the leaf but overall cargo capacity with seats folded the kona has more. I wouldnt say they are much different in overall size.New leaf with 'active air cooling' - or an additional fan, is more than Kona or eniro and will be more than the short range model 3 (whenever that turns up). I wouldnt be putting my cash into a 62kwh leaf over the kona if you can get both.
I'm confused on pricing for now unless they really dont have supply and are happier to sell the 40kwh version with this on as more of a paper launch.
My Leaf (Acenta, 64 Reg, 42k miles, 24Kw/h, battery owned) is certainly going up in value.
When I paid off the PCP last September WBAC were at £6k for it. Now they're at £7,400 and I reckon for a private sale I'd probably achieve £8k with ease.
I'm not selling it though, it's saving £100.00/month in fuel and currently appreciating at that figure too. Cheap motoring indeed.
When I paid off the PCP last September WBAC were at £6k for it. Now they're at £7,400 and I reckon for a private sale I'd probably achieve £8k with ease.
I'm not selling it though, it's saving £100.00/month in fuel and currently appreciating at that figure too. Cheap motoring indeed.
The Ors said:
A neighbour of mine has just bought a 2015 i3 on finance. He claims that he got a government grant as it was still in warranty. Works out at £150/month for two years apparently. Not sure how verifiable this is...
A grant for a charger, maybe. For the car itself? No chanceFor loans on a used car, bank finance is the answer with a personal loan. Available around 3% apr. Unlikely to get anything better from a dealer unless the car is overpriced
I've got a 2013 leaf coming to the end of its PCP in July.
My PCP started with the car already 3 years old (was one of the ones Nissan bought back from RCI), I pay £150 a month (£200 deposit) for 10k miles a year. From memory my GFV is about £4500 so will definitely keep it, its on 50k miles at the moment.
Used prices have definitely changed a bit!
My PCP started with the car already 3 years old (was one of the ones Nissan bought back from RCI), I pay £150 a month (£200 deposit) for 10k miles a year. From memory my GFV is about £4500 so will definitely keep it, its on 50k miles at the moment.
Used prices have definitely changed a bit!
Hopefully electric car depreciation will stay as good for long period, however, with battery costs dropping by 15% per annum and the big manufactures like VW starting to launch cars, I can see electric cars becoming much cheaper than the more complex equivalent ICE very quickly. And when new ones become cheaper, used values will collapse.
On the other hand, as battery costs reduce, fear of battery replacement will to, giving used cars a value boost.
On the other hand, as battery costs reduce, fear of battery replacement will to, giving used cars a value boost.
iain123 said:
I can see electric cars becoming much cheaper than the more complex equivalent ICE very quickly. And when new ones become cheaper, used values will collapse.
This just isn't happening though, back in 2015 a Leaf could be had for £200/month with no deposit, a Tesla Model S had a sub £50k price tag even with a few options.Now a Leaf is a near £40k car, and a Model S £70k. Equally going into the future any EV bought today will remain much more relevent than any combustion car. I can see used diesel used prices falling off a cliff edge much more quickly than any used EV.
I nearly ordered a 70S with a few options back in 2015, just above £50K. I find it quite a bit comical that 4 years later we are still waiting for the 'cheap' smaller Tesla to come to UK shores, and when it does finally appear some time later this year I suspect it'll have a starting price of around £50K. So much for Elon Musks aim of making EVs more 'affordable'.
Yes more range is coming and its great, but once you get to around 200 miles it makes little difference - Kona has more range and it cheaper than our 75D X, iPace, e-Tron, Merc EQC, i3, I personally wouldn't swap our X for a Kona and there is no chance my wife will get one instead of something like a Model 3.
All the current used EVs work fine, and going forwards will remain to work fine regardless. The new 62kWh Leaf is great, but at nearly £40K and with no dealer discounts you have to really really want the extra range to buy one over a £15K used 30kWh Leaf.
Yes more range is coming and its great, but once you get to around 200 miles it makes little difference - Kona has more range and it cheaper than our 75D X, iPace, e-Tron, Merc EQC, i3, I personally wouldn't swap our X for a Kona and there is no chance my wife will get one instead of something like a Model 3.
All the current used EVs work fine, and going forwards will remain to work fine regardless. The new 62kWh Leaf is great, but at nearly £40K and with no dealer discounts you have to really really want the extra range to buy one over a £15K used 30kWh Leaf.
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 10th January 21:11
True I would go for a model 3 over the kona but its going to be more expensive at first at least, if only by a bit here in NZ (Kona is silly priced)
And yes one of the biggest arguments against a 62kwh leaf for most is the 40kwh leaf. Unlike almost all PH members most people dont drive 1000 miles a day towing a boat. that extra battery and range is useless to most, most of the time.
And yes one of the biggest arguments against a 62kwh leaf for most is the 40kwh leaf. Unlike almost all PH members most people dont drive 1000 miles a day towing a boat. that extra battery and range is useless to most, most of the time.
I wouldn't personally buy the smaller battery Leaf because as far as I know it's not actively cooled and I'd be worried about longevity. As/when I buy an electric car to replace our family vehicle, I'll be expecting to keep it 15+ years and I'm not going to buy something which I won't realistically be capable of 150 miles in cold weather in 15 years and 100k miles time.
kambites said:
I wouldn't personally buy the smaller battery Leaf because as far as I know it's not actively cooled and I'd be worried about longevity. As/when I buy an electric car to replace our family vehicle, I'll be expecting to keep it 15+ years and I'm not going to buy something which I won't realistically be capable of 150 miles in cold weather in 15 years and 100k miles time.
64kWh Leaf, Kona, Niro, any Tesla, Audi eTron, larger battery i3 all will do 150 miles in winter even at 100K.Even if you persume a Kona will be worth £0 at 15 years, buy one now for £30k thats equivalent to £170/month.
gangzoom said:
64kWh Leaf, Kona, Niro, any Tesla, Audi eTron, larger battery i3 all will do 150 miles in winter even at 100K.
Even if you persume a Kona will be worth £0 at 15 years, buy one now for £30k thats equivalent to £170/month.
Indeed, but a 40kwh car, especially a 40kwh car with a passively cooled battery, may well not. Even if you persume a Kona will be worth £0 at 15 years, buy one now for £30k thats equivalent to £170/month.
Mind you, £170 a month is only roughly parity with the combined petrol, tax and depreciation on our Octavia VRS so I'm certainly in no hurry. Hopefully I can get another four years or so out of the Skoda then pick up a three year-old e-Niro or similar for around £15-20k.
Edited by kambites on Friday 11th January 08:02
https://electrek.co/2019/01/08/nissan-leaf-plus-62...
New 62kWh Leaf. Or Leaf E+ as they're calling it.
So the range and motor are good. The passive cooling and price.... not so.
New 62kWh Leaf. Or Leaf E+ as they're calling it.
So the range and motor are good. The passive cooling and price.... not so.
gangzoom said:
kambites said:
I wouldn't personally buy the smaller battery Leaf because as far as I know it's not actively cooled and I'd be worried about longevity. As/when I buy an electric car to replace our family vehicle, I'll be expecting to keep it 15+ years and I'm not going to buy something which I won't realistically be capable of 150 miles in cold weather in 15 years and 100k miles time.
64kWh Leaf, Kona, Niro, any Tesla, Audi eTron, larger battery i3 all will do 150 miles in winter even at 100K.Even if you persume a Kona will be worth £0 at 15 years, buy one now for £30k thats equivalent to £170/month.
All good in that regard. Slight problem is that not actually that many people buy, rent or lease £30k cars. The Fiesta is still the top selling car in the U.K. and that’s half the price of current cheap EVs.
The average consumer does not carry out complicated mathematics such as looking at fuel savings over ten years. They just want to know what the monthly is for the next 24 months, whether the deposit can go on a credit card and what shades of grey are available.
Extremely complex maths such as we are discussing in this thread is lightyears beyond the capabilities of the average consumer.
DonkeyApple said:
The average consumer does not carry out complicated mathematics such as looking at fuel savings over ten years. They just want to know what the monthly is for the next 24 months, whether the deposit can go on a credit card and what shades of grey are available.
Extremely complex maths such as we are discussing in this thread is lightyears beyond the capabilities of the average consumer.
Slight aside, but a couple of years ago I needed to replace our tumble dryer. It gets used quite frequently, so I wanted to work out whether it made sense to spend more money to get the most efficient heat pump model. So I worked the "£ cost per load" x "frequency of use". It worked out that for our usage it was worthwhile to pay around £700 for the most efficient one on the market at the time.Extremely complex maths such as we are discussing in this thread is lightyears beyond the capabilities of the average consumer.
I went round to a friends house, and noticed he had the same model, so assuming he had done a similar calculation, I started a conversation remarking how efficient it was, and if he had also worked out his payback period - he gave me a strange look and said, "what the f
k on you on about - I just bought the one Which? recommended'. No calculations had been done - no evaluation, nothing. So I agree, not everyone thinks the same way. EddieSteadyGo said:
Slight aside, but a couple of years ago I needed to replace our tumble dryer. It gets used quite frequently, so I wanted to work out whether it made sense to spend more money to get the most efficient heat pump model. So I worked the "£ cost per load" x "frequency of use". It worked out that for our usage it was worthwhile to pay around £700 for the most efficient one on the market at the time.
I went round to a friends house, and noticed he had the same model, so assuming he had done a similar calculation, I started a conversation remarking how efficient it was, and if he had also worked out his payback period - he gave me a strange look and said, "what the fk on you on about - I just bought the one Which? recommended'. No calculations had been done - no evaluation, nothing. So I agree, not everyone thinks the same way.
Except Which? Do look at the efficiency and cost savings. As well as the performance and reliability.I went round to a friends house, and noticed he had the same model, so assuming he had done a similar calculation, I started a conversation remarking how efficient it was, and if he had also worked out his payback period - he gave me a strange look and said, "what the f
k on you on about - I just bought the one Which? recommended'. No calculations had been done - no evaluation, nothing. So I agree, not everyone thinks the same way. So arguably he did a better job researching his next purchase than you did, but he paid for the privilege.
Evanivitch said:
Except Which? Do look at the efficiency and cost savings. As well as the performance and reliability.
So arguably he did a better job researching his next purchase than you did, but he paid for the privilege.
Yes, I realise that. I was more making the side point that some people are happy (and prefer) to work things out from first principles, and some people don't.So arguably he did a better job researching his next purchase than you did, but he paid for the privilege.
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