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conna

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10 posts

63 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Hi all

This is my 1st post so please be gentle with me lol.

I have a Focus 2010 1.6 diesel titanium estate and I would like to know if it would be ok to use heating oil in the tank. I have read that if you mix 3 litres of cheap vegetable oil with 20 litres of heating oil it will work fine although I don't want to ruin my engine if it's not going to work ok. I'm not sure what sort of fuel pump is on my vehicle or if it will cope ok.

I have read numerous posts on other forums where many are using it without problems but I wondered if there were any good mechanics on here that actually know what they are on about rather than people like myself pretending they know what they are on about.

Many thanks in advance.


SilverHarrier

217 posts

164 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Think these are Peugeot HDi engines. I don't know what would happen but certainly wouldn't bother risking it to save a few quid on fuel, just use diesel- surely the car is economical enough?


Joe5y

1,501 posts

183 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Yes, it will work with no issues.

blueacid

438 posts

141 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Am I not right in thinking that any fuel you use to make a vehicle move must have tax paid on it; therefore are you in the same tax situation as using red diesel if you use heating oil?

HMRC really don't like that, if they find you're not paying tax they definitely make a solid example of you. So, even if your engine tolerates it (i'd speculate not on some of the new higher pressure common rail systems; maybe an old rattly mechanically injected diesel, but probalby not this), the tax man won't!

conna

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10 posts

63 months

Thursday 10th January 2019
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Im aware the tax man doesn't like the idea, ive never been happy about the amount of tax on a gallon of fuel either, I think that is criminal. Thing is I have about 1000 litres of heating oil thats going to go to waste if I dont shove it in my tank so I just need to know if it will work ok or not and then I can make a decision whether to risk it or not.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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conna said:
Im aware the tax man doesn't like the idea, ive never been happy about the amount of tax on a gallon of fuel either, I think that is criminal. Thing is I have about 1000 litres of heating oil thats going to go to waste if I dont shove it in my tank so I just need to know if it will work ok or not and then I can make a decision whether to risk it or not.
Fair enough. Unfortunately it’s not illegal for HMRC to impose the tax but it is for you to evade it.

If you’re happy to do that and happy that the heating oil is clean enough to use (the stuff we used to burn in an oil fired boiler wouldn’t have been imo) give it a shot and let us know how it goes.

conna

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10 posts

63 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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How do I turn 28 sec oil into 35 sec oil? Is it simply adding veg oil to it and if so what is the ratio does anyone know?

Thanks.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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How much is 1000L of heating oil worth?

How much is a new High Pressure fuel system for you car?



Personally, i'd not take the risk, but if i really had to use the fuel i'd mix it, in no greater concentration that 60:40 with regular pump diesel

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Sounds like a recipe for a new engine.

Diesels are cheap as chips to run anyway.

conna

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10 posts

63 months

Saturday 12th January 2019
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Well Ive just done a load more research and if its true what Ive found out a 20:1 ratio of Kerosene and veg oil is almost identical to regular diesel and the Cetain content is also a very close match.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 12th January 2019
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veg oil 20/1 has a different viscosity and lubrication properties to diesel.

conna

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10 posts

63 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Im at the point now I don't know what to believe lol. As I don't know the peoples personally and how good a mechanic etc they are I can only go with tried and so far tested results which at the minute is a 20:1 mix of veg oil and Kerosene 28sec. Or what I am toying with is 50 50 mix of diesel and a 20:1 kerosene mix.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Setting aside the fact that what you doing is illegal, You need to do the maths very carefully.

Does the saving that you’re going to make cover the cost of potentially replacing the high-pressure fuel system of relatively modern turbodiesel? You used to be able to get away with stuff like this on the old school diesels quite easily, but the more modern engines are a different beast altogether.

Then you’ve got the hassle factor of pumping the fuel out of your heating oil tank, mixing it properly with the additives (vegetable oil or whatever) and getting it into your car.

Does the financial side of things coupled with the amount of time you’re going to be spending messing around with it all really add up?

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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you are better off running veg oil, convert to bio diesel or mix with diesel. you can use 2500 litres of vegetable oil each year legally for road use.

Diesels will run on veg but the fueling system is the the issue, which is why the viscosity needs to match to diesel either chemically, remove glycerin or preheating. you also need to add lubrication. After all this you need extra servicing, potentially engine oil veg mixing, engine issues, unless you can get free veg oil and do mega miles you really won't save much.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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conna said:
Im aware the tax man doesn't like the idea, ive never been happy about the amount of tax on a gallon of fuel either, I think that is criminal. Thing is I have about 1000 litres of heating oil thats going to go to waste if I dont shove it in my tank so I just need to know if it will work ok or not and then I can make a decision whether to risk it or not.
Why is it going to go to waste?

SilverHarrier

217 posts

164 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Are you not able sell the heating oil? Pretty sure that someone would be round to empty the tank sharpish if you advertised it on gumtree..

conna

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10 posts

63 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Well we have a decommissioned oil boiler at work as we have converted to gas and the tank has approx 1000 litres still in it. Work won't sell it so it is just going to sit there like it has for tne last 3 years. I may as well make use of it eh.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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isn't that thief?

conna

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10 posts

63 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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No, its a health and safety issue and Im doing the firm a favour by getting rid of it. Fire regs say it shouldn't be there if not being used coz eventually the tank could rust from the outside as its v damp in the cellar.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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you would be better using it as heating oil