Model 3 UK orders.

[SWoll]

Sambucket said:

The 0-20 is what hooks you in. The rest is gravy.

Also far more repeatable in varying conditions than the BMW which can easily vary wildly.

[Heres Johnny]

SWoll said:

Also far more repeatable in varying conditions than the BMW which can easily vary wildly.

As can the Tesla - try flooring a Tesla when the battery is below 30% state of charge. All cars vary depending on a number of conditions.

[RobDickinson]

Sambucket said:

Is it 3.2 or 3.6?

3.2 is measured USA style with 1ft roll out, 3.6 isn't and its to 100kph/62mph I think

[FurtiveFreddy]

https://www.mountainpassperformance.com/model3_dyn...

[ZesPak]

Heres Johnny said:

As can the Tesla - try flooring a Tesla when the battery is below 30% state of charge. All cars vary depending on a number of conditions.

30% ? I've done that plenty of times. I think the range thing only kicks in at <10%.

In reality, it's extremely usable all of the time, and it doesn't even sound like it's trying too hard.

[Heres Johnny]

ZesPak said:

Heres Johnny said:

As can the Tesla - try flooring a Tesla when the battery is below 30% state of charge. All cars vary depending on a number of conditions.

30% ? I've done that plenty of times. I think the range thing only kicks in at <10%.

In reality, it's extremely usable all of the time, and it doesn't even sound like it's trying too hard.

Max power as SOC drops - it’s an MS but don’t see why it wouldn’t be the same principal for all batteries. Temperature of the battery can also reduce power.

Edited by Heres Johnny on Wednesday 23 October 06:42

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FurtiveFreddy said:

https://www.mountainpassperformance.com/model3_dyn...

Now that chart is genuinely interesting. So up to 30-40 MPH the SOC makes no difference to torque or power output but above that every 15% of charge lost equates to roughly 10BHP and 5 lb/ft ot torque lost? Didn't realise that as thought the drop off only occurred at low battery as per a poster above.

Makes you wonder with these 1/4-1/2 mile drag races you see on Top Gear/Car Wow etc. what the state of charge was when they filmed the attempt. The TG test over 1/2 a mile where it narrowly loses to the C63S for example.

, just checked the TG video and the Model 3 was at 57% charge so a good 10% down on power compared to a fully charged car assuming the same losses for the Performance model. Could have made all the difference to the result I suppose..

[Dave Hedgehog]

Heres Johnny said:

Somebodies done the hard work for us - a website called acceleration times


After 40mph there’s relatively nothing between a M3 and a BMW M4 -

those are the old pre update figures for the M3P, it now does 3.2 0-60, it also increased the top speed of the Perf from 150ish to 160ish

https://drivetribe.com/p/all-tesla-model-3s-are-no...

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 23 October 09:08

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Dave Hedgehog said:

Heres Johnny said:

Somebodies done the hard work for us - a website called acceleration times


After 40mph there’s relatively nothing between a M3 and a BMW M4 -

those are the old pre update figures for the M3P, it now does 3.2 0-60

Assuming you have 90%+ battery.

[Dave Hedgehog]

SWoll said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Heres Johnny said:

Somebodies done the hard work for us - a website called acceleration times


After 40mph there’s relatively nothing between a M3 and a BMW M4 -

those are the old pre update figures for the M3P, it now does 3.2 0-60

Assuming you have 90%+ battery.

there is a test video, performance is hardly affected between 50%-90% there is a small increasing drop from 50%-10% (something like 0.2-1.0 second), then it falls off a cliff as the car goes into preserve energy mode at 10%

[SWoll]

Dave Hedgehog said:

SWoll said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Heres Johnny said:

Somebodies done the hard work for us - a website called acceleration times


After 40mph there’s relatively nothing between a M3 and a BMW M4 -

those are the old pre update figures for the M3P, it now does 3.2 0-60

Assuming you have 90%+ battery.

there is a test video, performance is hardly affected between 50%-90% there is a small increasing drop from 50%-10% (something like 0.2-1.0 second), then it falls off a cliff as the car goes into preserve energy mode at 10%

The dyno chart linked above shows a pretty consistent drop in peak output from 90% all the way down to 15%, unless that is different for the Performance model?

[Dave Hedgehog]

SWoll said:

The dyno chart linked above shows a pretty consistent drop in peak output from 90% all the way down to 15%, unless that is different for the Performance model?

this was on real world runs not on a bench, the performance does have changes to the cooling, bigger inverter etc. not that i understand any of that lol, Any loss does not feel noticeable in the real world although i am normally 50%+ SoC

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 23 October 09:29

[Toaster]

Heres Johnny said:

Somebodies done the hard work for us - a website called acceleration times





After 40mph there’s relatively nothing between a M3 and a BMW M4 -

Hmmm but they cant do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0qzaMtqM-Y

[Dave Hedgehog]

Toaster said:

Hmmm but they cant do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0qzaMtqM-Y

the RWD ones can if you disable the ESP sensors on the wheels, would be nice if there was an ESP disable option on the console

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKobATboIWY

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 23 October 09:35

[FurtiveFreddy]

There's the 'slip start' feature, which I haven't tried yet. Probably only works at low speed though.

I've had my Performance+ round a track at various charge states, from 96% down to 10% and the drop off in power really isn't that noticable. Even looking at data I logged, it's not as much as the dyno chart above (from a non-P) suggests.

That could be track mode doing it's stuff. Next time I'm on track I'll be comparing acceleration runs at various SoC and in chill, sport and track modes, so we'll see.

Don't underestimate the real-world speed of a Performance +. Even at 10% SoC, it's going to surprise a lot of conventional supercars out there.

Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Wednesday 23 October 10:19

[jamoor]

Heres Johnny said:

Somebodies done the hard work for us - a website called acceleration times





After 40mph there’s relatively nothing between a M3 and a BMW M4 -

In this country it makes sense to get the m3 then. Once you take fuel into account &#128513;

[Mikehig]

Interesting table and chart: thanks to those posters.

The table shows the huge advantage the EV has off the line and through the lower speeds. Thereafter things are much more even - both cars take 2.5 seconds from 40 to 70.
The torque curves on the chart explain what happens. The EV's torque starts to fall away at around 40 mph whereas the ICE car will be in the meat of its torque band by then, and will stay in it thanks to mutliple gears.
Makes me wonder what a "geared" EV could do! Clearly Porsche's decision to use a two-speed rear axle on the Taycan was taken to address this.

Some rolling-start comparisons would be interesting. I imagine the EV would have the edge in sudden acceleration from a cruise as the ICE car would have to drop a couple of gears.

[SWoll]

Mikehig said:

Interesting table and chart: thanks to those posters.

The table shows the huge advantage the EV has off the line and through the lower speeds. Thereafter things are much more even - both cars take 2.5 seconds from 40 to 70.
The torque curves on the chart explain what happens. The EV's torque starts to fall away at around 40 mph whereas the ICE car will be in the meat of its torque band by then, and will stay in it thanks to mutliple gears.
Makes me wonder what a "geared" EV could do! Clearly Porsche's decision to use a two-speed rear axle on the Taycan was taken to address this.

Some rolling-start comparisons would be interesting. I imagine the EV would have the edge in sudden acceleration from a cruise as the ICE car would have to drop a couple of gears.

Carwiow regularly do both standing and 50mph start comparisons. As you say the responsiveness of an ICE car to kickdown play a part but certainly a much closer run thing.

The Porsche gearing thing is smart but obviously adds weight and complexity and is only really relevant to high performance EV's.

[RobDickinson]

Part of the taycan poor efficiency is down to the gearbox

[gangzoom]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Any loss does not feel noticeable in the real world although i am normally 50%+ SoC

There needs to be some really checking here rather than peeing contest.

In the real world on public roads I hardly ever use full throttle in our 75D X, even at low SoC.

If you want to be a nutter and drive at 3 figure speeds everywhere than sooner rather than later either your get banned or your be in a ditch.

Even on the Mways given the number of 'smart' M ways been introduced even going over 70mph on a regular basis is asking for NIPs, especially around the M25.