Model 3 UK orders.

Model 3 UK orders.

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anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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FurtiveFreddy said:
What car are you driving currently?
Old shape Leaf.

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

236 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Heres Johnny said:
Not according to some of the stories I’ve read although I have also read some still had to refuse the date and Tesla allowed a different date.

But what type of company even threatens to do it in the first place? Are they that arrogant or have no idea about customer service?
Customer service is a major failing currently. That won't be disputed by many, particularly those waiting for Model 3s.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
not sure what you where doing but the M3 has more room for the driver than an E class merc or an A6, quite a lot more, im 6' 2" and the size of an elephant and had huge amounts of room and found it very comfortable
It's okay once you get in, although I prefer a high driver position and more upright seating. The problem is getting in and out.

The car is very low, so you have to stoop right down. With taller cars you slide in sideways, with the Model 3 you have to bend down to get your head under the curved roof.

You put one foot in. It's a little higher than an ICE because the battery is under the floor. So now you are bending over, trying to get your head past the door frame and your knee past the steering wheel. The gap between the wheel and the seat isn't great, even with the wheel as high as it will go and the seat fairly far back.

Then you need to get your other leg in. Even with the door as wide open as it will go (good luck in a car park) I found I ended up kicking the speaker grille. The door sill is quite high relative to the seat so again your knee needs to come up. I'm not that flexible, it was a pain to do.

I always found me knees touching the wheel as I got in. The Model 3 is designed so you stretch your legs forward like a recumbent bike (Sinclair C5 anyone?). So it's roomy but hard to get into.

They did it to increase efficiency and compensate for the smaller battery. But I prefer taller cars, they are much easier. The Model 3 was so bad I couldn't live with it day-to-day. The Hyundai Ioniq is similar.

Ryder35

355 posts

184 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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kuro68k said:
It's okay once you get in, although I prefer a high driver position and more upright seating. The problem is getting in and out.

The car is very low, so you have to stoop right down. With taller cars you slide in sideways, with the Model 3 you have to bend down to get your head under the curved roof.

You put one foot in. It's a little higher than an ICE because the battery is under the floor. So now you are bending over, trying to get your head past the door frame and your knee past the steering wheel. The gap between the wheel and the seat isn't great, even with the wheel as high as it will go and the seat fairly far back.

Then you need to get your other leg in. Even with the door as wide open as it will go (good luck in a car park) I found I ended up kicking the speaker grille. The door sill is quite high relative to the seat so again your knee needs to come up. I'm not that flexible, it was a pain to do.

I always found me knees touching the wheel as I got in. The Model 3 is designed so you stretch your legs forward like a recumbent bike (Sinclair C5 anyone?). So it's roomy but hard to get into.

They did it to increase efficiency and compensate for the smaller battery. But I prefer taller cars, they are much easier. The Model 3 was so bad I couldn't live with it day-to-day. The Hyundai Ioniq is similar.
Lol, don't ever try to get in a Lotus! The model 3 also has comfort entry. Once set up the wheel and seat move to allow easy entry.

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

236 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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kuro68k said:
It's okay once you get in, although I prefer a high driver position and more upright seating.
Sounds like you're better suited for an SUV, so why even bother looking at a Model 3?

You're better off sticking with an e-Niro surely?

Durzel

12,232 posts

167 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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By no means a Tesla fan boy but how high a seating position are we talking? Like driving a bus?

I consider the i3 seating position to be high. Not enough to turn me off the car, but my previous ICE was a TTRS and if the Model 3 is like that I'll be happy.

A big part of the appeal for me having a performance car is that feeling that you're driving something special, and being low slung really contributes to that.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Ryder35 said:
Lol, don't ever try to get in a Lotus! The model 3 also has comfort entry. Once set up the wheel and seat move to allow easy entry.
I did try the easy entry, even with the seat as far back as it will go and the wheel as high as it will go it wasn't easy.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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FurtiveFreddy said:
Sounds like you're better suited for an SUV, so why even bother looking at a Model 3?

You're better off sticking with an e-Niro surely?
Nah, don't want a big SUV. Actually thinking about a Honda e. The Kona is quite comfortable and easy to get into too.

It's not the size, it's the shape and most importantly the height. The Model 3 is extremely low.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Durzel said:
By no means a Tesla fan boy but how high a seating position are we talking? Like driving a bus?

I consider the i3 seating position to be high. Not enough to turn me off the car, but my previous ICE was a TTRS and if the Model 3 is like that I'll be happy.
Not like a bus, like a normal car. For example a Nissan Leaf is 20 cm taller than a Model 3, but also the floor is lower because the battery isn't under there. The Leaf is a fairly common height for a car that size, 155cm.

It's more like sitting down in a normal chair, rather than trying to swing down into a low deckchair or something, while also trying not to hit your head on the door frame.

The i3 is unusually tall (153cm) and has an unusually high seating position. At least it's easy to get into.

SWoll

18,207 posts

257 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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kuro68k said:
Not like a bus, like a normal car. For example a Nissan Leaf is 20 cm taller than a Model 3, but also the floor is lower because the battery isn't under there. The Leaf is a fairly common height for a car that size, 155cm.

It's more like sitting down in a normal chair, rather than trying to swing down into a low deckchair or something, while also trying not to hit your head on the door frame.

The i3 is unusually tall (153cm) and has an unusually high seating position. At least it's easy to get into.
The M3 is pretty much exactly the same overall height as a BMW 3 series, Audi A4 or Mercedes C-Class (144cm). I'd suggest you just aren't used to that type of car as hatchbacks and SUV's have a habit of being a bit taller and more upright.

768

13,602 posts

95 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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What's the difference in seat height between a model 3 and Honda e?

lost in espace

6,136 posts

206 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Just went to Cambridge to have another look, have a white base model on order. I had to look twice at the boot opening, despite knowing it is small it still was a bit of a shock reminded me of our Beetle convertible, albeit with a generous boot in there especially with the floor.

I got in no problem and its a nice cocooning seating position. I am 6' 50 years old with ruined knees. It was getting out I found no fun and as has been mentioned the door had to more of less fully open and I had to sort of push my back into the b pillar and lunge out. I can see the scenario of being in a car park and having an issue being a real pain. We had intended to keep it for 10 years, but I might not be able to get out of it by then! The MG at 17k cheaper is now looking like a better buy with its naff SUV styling, or wait for the more expensive Model Y which we can't stretch to. My other cars are a Leaf, not bad getting in and out of as has been mentioned and a T5 which is luxury compared.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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SWoll said:
The M3 is pretty much exactly the same overall height as a BMW 3 series, Audi A4 or Mercedes C-Class (144cm). I'd suggest you just aren't used to that type of car as hatchbacks and SUV's have a habit of being a bit taller and more upright.
Yes but none of those also have the battery under the floor, raising it up. I wouldn't buy any of those cars anyway.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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768 said:
What's the difference in seat height between a model 3 and Honda e?
I don't know. The Honda looks much more upright in the videos I've seen so far. Looks taller than the M3. Of course I'll have to try it before I buy it.

manracer

1,544 posts

96 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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kuro68k said:
The Model 3 is extremely low.
I'm sorry but I just can't ignore this comment.

It's extremely low compared to say a Hummer H1.

It's not low compared to any car in its class.

I sat on one again on Monday and I had no issues. I'd say compared to the car I drove to the Tesla service centre in, a 2018 Scirocco R, it felt much higher.

I know it's subjective but low isn't a word I'd say the model 3 can be classified as.

Durzel

12,232 posts

167 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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I'm curious - how many people have plumped for FSD? If so how did you justify it to yourself given the recent neutering of AP and AutoSteer per UNECE regulations?

It's a straight £200 p/m uplift on my lease quote. But price rises are threatened (August 16 it goes up $1000 in the States apparently), Enhanced Summon is coming apparently - though again maybe not in UK given regular Summon is only allowed to work over Bluetooth...

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Not in the UK but it is a $10k option here and given we dont get early access to advanced summon and we dont even really have motorways for Noa or lane changes etc I will skip that one...

Witchfinder

6,250 posts

251 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Durzel said:
It's a straight £200 p/m uplift on my lease quote. But price rises are threatened (August 16 it goes up $1000 in the States apparently), Enhanced Summon is coming apparently - though again maybe not in UK given regular Summon is only allowed to work over Bluetooth...
This is just Musk shaking the magic money tree again. Free Supercharging is uneconomical (it's back), funding is secured (it wasn't), and cars with full-self drive are appreciating assets that will earn you thousands every month (guess what, this is bks too).

If you plan to keep the car for over ten years, maybe you could give it a punt. Don't expect your Model 3 to be a Johnny Cab anytime soon though.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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manracer said:
It's not low compared to any car in its class.

I sat on one again on Monday and I had no issues. I'd say compared to the car I drove to the Tesla service centre in, a 2018 Scirocco R, it felt much higher.
It is higher than a Scirocco R, which is a very low car at only 140cm. I think the issue is that it's on the lower side AND it has the battery pack under the floor.

The skateboard design with the battery under the floor is known to do this. The Niro and Kona are the same, especially in the back where you sit with your knees up rather than resting on the seat. They just make the cars a slightly taller CUV shape to compensate, but Tesla didn't.

Anyway, apparently a lot of people have no issue getting in it. I was just really surprised, I'm not that tall. I think if they could lower the lip at the bottom of the door frame it would really help, because that forces you to raise your knee up to get over it.

Durzel

12,232 posts

167 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Witchfinder said:
This is just Musk shaking the magic money tree again. Free Supercharging is uneconomical (it's back), funding is secured (it wasn't), and cars with full-self drive are appreciating assets that will earn you thousands every month (guess what, this is bks too).

If you plan to keep the car for over ten years, maybe you could give it a punt. Don't expect your Model 3 to be a Johnny Cab anytime soon though.
Yeah, I'm under no illusions about what it is and isn't.. that said, it does feel like its the party piece of a Tesla, and it would be missing something if it wasn't there.

I must admit it would be pretty awesome to watch the car drive itself during Summon, and the whole Navigate on Autopilot. Just need to keep asking myself whether I would be prepared to lose £200 a month for this. It sounds stupid when I write it down, but I'm a sucker for toys - I bought a touchbar MacBook Pro when they came out and that has been a solution looking for a problem since day one.

As it happens I found out last night when I did a credit check on myself that I'm not registered on the electoral roll where I'm staying, and haven't been for a few years (whoops), which is apparently a big red flag for lenders so even though my credit report is otherwise perfect I'm going to hold off until that is sorted. Guess I'll probably end up waiting for a 20 plate if it takes too long.