Model 3 UK orders.
Discussion
Bobtherallyfan said:
SWoll said:
If you say so. 
What else can you call it.....it’s a very quick car........with as much soul as a Samsung fridge.I drove a number of it's ICE alternatives before making the decision and was disappointed in the current crop of forced induction engines mated to auto gearboxes. Unresponsive drivetrains and the noise they make is either poor or feels like fakery.
Bobtherallyfan said:
What else can you call it.....it’s a very quick car........with as much soul as a Samsung fridge.
As opposed to it's rivals? With auto gearboxes and noises coming through the speakers?It's an incredibly accomplished car that can bring you somewhere in complete serenity, then turn into a roller coaster by a touch of the accelerator.
It might not be for everyone, but luckily most people that are as prejudiced about it as you are are are too old to be using the internet.
I'm baffled people attempt to defend their position on the merits of the Model 3. I went to Tesla Leeds to take a M3P for a spin after they invited me, and thought, "I'm off work that day, why not..."
I posted on here that it pretty much blew me away. And that's all I posted.
You'll never reason somebody out of a position they weren't reasoned into, so why bother trying?
After all, they do say it's bliss, so leave them with it.
I posted on here that it pretty much blew me away. And that's all I posted.
You'll never reason somebody out of a position they weren't reasoned into, so why bother trying?
After all, they do say it's bliss, so leave them with it.
ZesPak said:
As opposed to it's rivals? With auto gearboxes and noises coming through the speakers?
I quite agree. I had a quick drive of my brothers model 3 (long range) last week. Very impressed at the speed, handling and most of all, the whole 'package' in terms of software integration. The electric drive like the i3 I had (and probably all ev)- instant, smooth, intuitive, easy and punchy.
Ice cars have the advantage of hitting your hearing sense, which is a big miss in every for me. But ice cars are being taxed and regulated heavly, and manufacturered pops and bangs, sounds piped through speakers is worse than no sound at all in my mind.
RemarkLima said:
It's a trick, but they handle pretty tidily as well. Much like a BMW M car, or AMG, some brutal acceleration is a hell of a trick!
I still remember in my old Exige, the absolute best way to get a reaction was on the brakes, how late you could leave it was stunning :-)
Did you see topgear a few weeks ago where it was up against a 330e?I still remember in my old Exige, the absolute best way to get a reaction was on the brakes, how late you could leave it was stunning :-)
On the track the conclusion was the Bmw was better in the corners, the Tesla saving itself with the extra power on the straights. So it didn”t do the twisty bits as well as a regular BMW let alone an M car
There was a fast lap head to head about a year ago and the Tesla pipped the M but he did spin out on his first attempt. Conclusion, BMW M handled better but model 3 had more straight line punch.
I love Tesla for this reason. Yes, they might feel a bit "sterile". But actually so do most "performance" cars these days. To me they are making fun of the big boys. You guys want to do 0-60? Bring it! Want to do lap times? Let's do this. The ever chasing of fractions of seconds costs us manual gearboxes and sideways fun at double digit speeds.
To me it's very simple now. I'll have my ballistic EV. But next to it my MX5, bike and/or Caterham.
Then people can scoff in their 911, which costs more, is overly complicated, generally slower and a lot less practical than my EV, all while being less fun than the other 3 vehicles.
This forces manufacturers in a camp. Fun "slower" cars regain their place. Porsche has (admirably) taken the fight to Tesla with the Taycan. It's hard to disagree that an anodyne numbers' monster is what they've been chasing for years now. The 911R was one of the exceptions, but in true porsche fashion it was a limited edition.
TL;DR. As petrolhead's been saying for years: stop chasing the numbers and make cars fun again.
To me it's very simple now. I'll have my ballistic EV. But next to it my MX5, bike and/or Caterham.
Then people can scoff in their 911, which costs more, is overly complicated, generally slower and a lot less practical than my EV, all while being less fun than the other 3 vehicles.
This forces manufacturers in a camp. Fun "slower" cars regain their place. Porsche has (admirably) taken the fight to Tesla with the Taycan. It's hard to disagree that an anodyne numbers' monster is what they've been chasing for years now. The 911R was one of the exceptions, but in true porsche fashion it was a limited edition.
TL;DR. As petrolhead's been saying for years: stop chasing the numbers and make cars fun again.
I don't understand how people can say the Tesla is not very good to drive. I don't particularly like it buts its certainly more interesting than a standard 3 series/C Class etc. which they are rivals for (SR & LR) as I have driven them all pretty extensively.
The issue for me would be when I compared the M3P against a M3/4 or a C63 etc. as then for me personally the Tesla starts to come unstuck as whilst it corners tidy and flat and is no doubt quick it certainly isn't special or particularly fun to drive and is just very competent. However as mentioned for me just as good as a standard 3 series but with the fun factor of silly acceleration and miles ahead of the new A4 which is crap.
The ideal garage is an electric daily car and then something fun for the weekend (even if its probably slower in a straight line) and hence why I have gone for a Polestar 2 as in a daily I value comfort and built quality etc. rather than out and out range and silly acceleration. If people can only have a one car garage however I fully understand why people go for a M3P as whilst not as fun as a M3/4 its better than a standard 3 series due to the acceleration and actually has sensible running costs.
The issue for me would be when I compared the M3P against a M3/4 or a C63 etc. as then for me personally the Tesla starts to come unstuck as whilst it corners tidy and flat and is no doubt quick it certainly isn't special or particularly fun to drive and is just very competent. However as mentioned for me just as good as a standard 3 series but with the fun factor of silly acceleration and miles ahead of the new A4 which is crap.
The ideal garage is an electric daily car and then something fun for the weekend (even if its probably slower in a straight line) and hence why I have gone for a Polestar 2 as in a daily I value comfort and built quality etc. rather than out and out range and silly acceleration. If people can only have a one car garage however I fully understand why people go for a M3P as whilst not as fun as a M3/4 its better than a standard 3 series due to the acceleration and actually has sensible running costs.
Edited by greggy50 on Monday 19th October 09:37
Heres Johnny said:
RemarkLima said:
It's a trick, but they handle pretty tidily as well. Much like a BMW M car, or AMG, some brutal acceleration is a hell of a trick!
I still remember in my old Exige, the absolute best way to get a reaction was on the brakes, how late you could leave it was stunning :-)
Did you see topgear a few weeks ago where it was up against a 330e?I still remember in my old Exige, the absolute best way to get a reaction was on the brakes, how late you could leave it was stunning :-)
On the track the conclusion was the Bmw was better in the corners, the Tesla saving itself with the extra power on the straights. So it didn”t do the twisty bits as well as a regular BMW let alone an M car
There was a fast lap head to head about a year ago and the Tesla pipped the M but he did spin out on his first attempt. Conclusion, BMW M handled better but model 3 had more straight line punch.
The Top Gear, I think Chris Harris would have set a better time than the 330e, but that's just conjecture, and really doesn't matter at all.
All I'm saying is that the Model 3 isn't a one trick pony, with a brutal straight line speed, but that it's a decent steer - not the last word, but better than a lot of other cars out there. So, of course not a track weapon, but reasonable given it's remit.
greggy50 said:
The ideal garage is an electric daily car and then something fun for the weekend (even if its probably slower in a straight line) and hence why I have gone for a Polestar 2 as in a daily I value comfort and built quality etc. rather than out and out range and silly acceleration. If people can only have a one car garage however I fully understand why people go for a M3P as whilst not as fun as a M3/4 its better than a standard 3 series due to the acceleration and actually has sensible running costs.
I'd agree with this - having this as your main car with a 2nd fun car that doesn't have to be number monster is the ideal - still trying to get an Elise / Evora / or something as the second / third car but Mrs. Lima will not give up the garage for her nicely restored Figaro :/Edited by greggy50 on Monday 19th October 09:37
Edited by RemarkLima on Monday 19th October 10:07
From personal experience I can verify there aren't many M-cars that can keep up with a Model 3 Performance around a track.
It goes around corners very well out of the box and if you spend a bit of money on tyres and suspension (which after all a lot of M-owners who track their cars do too) it becomes a very rewarding track car.
It goes around corners very well out of the box and if you spend a bit of money on tyres and suspension (which after all a lot of M-owners who track their cars do too) it becomes a very rewarding track car.
RemarkLima said:
Heres Johnny said:
RemarkLima said:
It's a trick, but they handle pretty tidily as well. Much like a BMW M car, or AMG, some brutal acceleration is a hell of a trick!
I still remember in my old Exige, the absolute best way to get a reaction was on the brakes, how late you could leave it was stunning :-)
Did you see topgear a few weeks ago where it was up against a 330e?I still remember in my old Exige, the absolute best way to get a reaction was on the brakes, how late you could leave it was stunning :-)
On the track the conclusion was the Bmw was better in the corners, the Tesla saving itself with the extra power on the straights. So it didn”t do the twisty bits as well as a regular BMW let alone an M car
There was a fast lap head to head about a year ago and the Tesla pipped the M but he did spin out on his first attempt. Conclusion, BMW M handled better but model 3 had more straight line punch.
The Top Gear, I think Chris Harris would have set a better time than the 330e, but that's just conjecture, and really doesn't matter at all.
All I'm saying is that the Model 3 isn't a one trick pony, with a brutal straight line speed, but that it's a decent steer - not the last word, but better than a lot of other cars out there. So, of course not a track weapon, but reasonable given it's remit.
greggy50 said:
The ideal garage is an electric daily car and then something fun for the weekend (even if its probably slower in a straight line) and hence why I have gone for a Polestar 2 as in a daily I value comfort and built quality etc. rather than out and out range and silly acceleration. If people can only have a one car garage however I fully understand why people go for a M3P as whilst not as fun as a M3/4 its better than a standard 3 series due to the acceleration and actually has sensible running costs.
I'd agree with this - having this as your main car with a 2nd fun car that doesn't have to be number monster is the ideal - still trying to get an Elise / Evora / or something as the second / third car but Mrs. Lima will not give up the garage for her nicely restored Figaro :/Edited by greggy50 on Monday 19th October 09:37
Edited by RemarkLima on Monday 19th October 10:07
I have planned to replace it with a model 3. I think it is more likely to be a LR now than the performance as I am not sure it is worth the extra £10k when the LR is already as quick as my C63 at low speeds.
I also have a little 2 seat kit car with <500kg and a 160bhp engine which will be far more fun on track or country road (at any speed).
What insurance figures roughly are the SR+ owners on here paying, I've just done a load of quotes and am struggling to get anything below £1100
For context I'm late 40's, no driving offences and just 1 non fault claim in last 5 years, decent postcode area. My 18 month old Golf R renewal just done was a smidge under £700.
It'd be good if I could find somewhere that'll cover the 3 for less than £800 or so without a silly excess. (Currently have a £350 excess).
Did Tesla drop their own insurance or is it coming soon?
For context I'm late 40's, no driving offences and just 1 non fault claim in last 5 years, decent postcode area. My 18 month old Golf R renewal just done was a smidge under £700.
It'd be good if I could find somewhere that'll cover the 3 for less than £800 or so without a silly excess. (Currently have a £350 excess).
Did Tesla drop their own insurance or is it coming soon?
Smiljan said:
What insurance figures roughly are the SR+ owners on here paying, I've just done a load of quotes and am struggling to get anything below £1100
For context I'm late 40's, no driving offences and just 1 non fault claim in last 5 years, decent postcode area. My 18 month old Golf R renewal just done was a smidge under £700.
It'd be good if I could find somewhere that'll cover the 3 for less than £800 or so without a silly excess. (Currently have a £350 excess).
Did Tesla drop their own insurance or is it coming soon?
Tesla insurance won't come to the UK for some time, if ever. They've only just started it in CA.For context I'm late 40's, no driving offences and just 1 non fault claim in last 5 years, decent postcode area. My 18 month old Golf R renewal just done was a smidge under £700.
It'd be good if I could find somewhere that'll cover the 3 for less than £800 or so without a silly excess. (Currently have a £350 excess).
Did Tesla drop their own insurance or is it coming soon?
Smiljan said:
What insurance figures roughly are the SR+ owners on here paying, I've just done a load of quotes and am struggling to get anything below £1100
For context I'm late 40's, no driving offences and just 1 non fault claim in last 5 years, decent postcode area. My 18 month old Golf R renewal just done was a smidge under £700.
It'd be good if I could find somewhere that'll cover the 3 for less than £800 or so without a silly excess. (Currently have a £350 excess).
Did Tesla drop their own insurance or is it coming soon?
You could try Novo. I've got an agreed value policy with them for my M3P and it was just over £900, and I had 3 points and a (minor) at fault claim last year.For context I'm late 40's, no driving offences and just 1 non fault claim in last 5 years, decent postcode area. My 18 month old Golf R renewal just done was a smidge under £700.
It'd be good if I could find somewhere that'll cover the 3 for less than £800 or so without a silly excess. (Currently have a £350 excess).
Did Tesla drop their own insurance or is it coming soon?
It was more important to me that the car was covered for its full value including the full detail & PPF, and having other Tesla benefits (charging cable cover, Tesla bodyshop preference, etc) than getting it as cheap as possible.
Smiljan said:
Thanks hadn't tried LV or Novo will give them a go.
Edit - LV is a no! Will have to leave Novo for now as you have to call them up and go over all the details to get a quote.
Fuel saving wiped out by insurance!Edit - LV is a no! Will have to leave Novo for now as you have to call them up and go over all the details to get a quote.
Edited by Smiljan on Monday 19th October 12:17
Edited by Smiljan on Monday 19th October 12:19
cossey said:
I have a C63 (the old 6.2 one but as an estate), and it is most definitely not a track car. The extra weight etc does not help but even in coupe version they are more muscle car than sports car.
I have planned to replace it with a model 3. I think it is more likely to be a LR now than the performance as I am not sure it is worth the extra £10k when the LR is already as quick as my C63 at low speeds.
I also have a little 2 seat kit car with <500kg and a 160bhp engine which will be far more fun on track or country road (at any speed).
Tempted to agree on the £10k difference. It's a lot for a software update, bigger wheels, brakes and suspension.I have planned to replace it with a model 3. I think it is more likely to be a LR now than the performance as I am not sure it is worth the extra £10k when the LR is already as quick as my C63 at low speeds.
I also have a little 2 seat kit car with <500kg and a 160bhp engine which will be far more fun on track or country road (at any speed).
They really need to offer it as a 'Performance Package' that can be added to the LR as an option as Polestar do with the P2. Even if it was £10k then the car would still come in under the threshold leaving a £7k difference.
When we got ours the lease company were asking the same for the LR and P models for some reason so a no-brainer but the current difference appears to be £200-250 a month which again I'd struggle to justify.
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