Model 3 UK orders.

[essayer]

Dave Hedgehog said:

it would be fine if the wiper speed control was on a stalk attached to the steering column, the iPad is a total PITA to use whilst driving

wait WHAT?? seriously?

this has to be a joke

you can tell they designed it in California where it rains once per year

[Greg_D]

hold the phone......

does the m3 not have wiper controls on a stalk!!!!

[jamoor]

Greg_D said:

hold the phone......

does the m3 not have wiper controls on a stalk!!!!

Only wash wipe when you press that it also brings up the settings on the menu screen. I don’t see it as such a big deal

[UnderSteerD]

Greg_D said:

hold the phone......

does the m3 not have wiper controls on a stalk!!!!

It was something I was concerned about too, but it really isn't an issue. A quick tap on the end of the stalk will clear the screen.

[essayer]

jamoor said:

Only wash wipe when you press that it also brings up the settings on the menu screen. I don’t see it as such a big deal

i'm sorry but this is ludicrous - borderline dangerous surely

it's raining so you press the button on the stalk to then turn the wipers on via a button on the touchscreen? and it doesn't even have a proper rain sensor so uses the camera to guess whether it's raining?

I love a lot about Tesla but that is ridiculous

[FeelingLucky]

essayer said:

jamoor said:

Only wash wipe when you press that it also brings up the settings on the menu screen. I don’t see it as such a big deal

i'm sorry but this is ludicrous - borderline dangerous surely

it's raining so you press the button on the stalk to then turn the wipers on via a button on the touchscreen? and it doesn't even have a proper rain sensor so uses the camera to guess whether it's raining?

I love a lot about Tesla but that is ridiculous

I'm wondering what's your experience driving a Tesla?
Owners have said it's not an issue, but you hold a different view, would you care to elaborate?

[Zcd1]

essayer said:

...I love a lot about Tesla but that is ridiculous

The other way to look at it is that Tesla is moving towards autonomy via cameras, so the cameras are already there, so they're leveraging that fact to innovate something new.

The automatic wiper performance has improved considerably in the year I've owned my car, and they're not dangerous at all. A quick press of the button on the stalk is all it takes if that's ever needed.

[essayer]

FeelingLucky said:

I'm wondering what's your experience driving a Tesla?
Owners have said it's not an issue, but you hold a different view, would you care to elaborate?

Tesla owners, notorious for their objectivity

I've driven an S. That had real wiper controls.

We have a car with temperature controls on a touchscreen and that's bad enough. I'd hate to think of a crucial system being implemented the same way.

Caught in a rainstorm on the M25 and need to go to fast wipe quick, you think it's safe to be eyes down on the screen trying to find the option? For every type of driver - not just those with a technical mindset?

[anonymous-user]

It's probably the most dangerous aspect of the car at present. Though something I hope will be fixed by end of year.

I can see the logic of not building a button for something that will likely be fully automated in near future. But it's unsafe at present yes.

[anonymous-user]

Another bug I've found dangerous, is no easy way to clear screen of windows to view maps. You have to close stuff using stuff like corner window crosses. Could be fixed with a side swipe or something. Unless I'm missing something?

[SWoll]

essayer said:

jamoor said:

Only wash wipe when you press that it also brings up the settings on the menu screen. I don’t see it as such a big deal

i'm sorry but this is ludicrous - borderline dangerous surely

it's raining so you press the button on the stalk to then turn the wipers on via a button on the touchscreen? and it doesn't even have a proper rain sensor so uses the camera to guess whether it's raining?

I love a lot about Tesla but that is ridiculous

Had our Model 3 for 2 days and just been out in torrential rain for the first time. The auto wipers work fine, changing to manual would take a second if required (but wasn't) and the button on the stalk does a great job of giving a single wipe.

Where they struggle a bit is when it's stopped raining but a light mist is kicked up by the car in front running through water left on the road. Again, much like most auto wiper systems I've ever encountered and a non issue with single wipe button on the stalk.

Totally overblown issue IME so far.

[Dave Hedgehog]

FeelingLucky said:

I'm wondering what's your experience driving a Tesla?
Owners have said it's not an issue, but you hold a different view, would you care to elaborate?

i am an owner and it is an issue :P

[Dave Hedgehog]

SWoll said:

Had our Model 3 for 2 days and just been out in torrential rain for the first time. The auto wipers work fine, changing to manual would take a second if required (but wasn't) and the button on the stalk does a great job of giving a single wipe.

Where they struggle a bit is when it's stopped raining but a light mist is kicked up by the car in front running through water left on the road. Again, much like most auto wiper systems I've ever encountered and a non issue with single wipe button on the stalk.

Totally overblown issue IME so far.

it is possible mine is faulty, but it has never worked and i have sat for hours in rain (probably days, i avg over 500 hours a year in my car), the auto wiper never activates until you can no longer see the cars in front

spamming the manual button on the stalk gets irksome after 45 minutes of doing it every couple of seconds

having to press the button then move over to the ipad to change the wiper speed suxs

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Friday 6th December 16:13

[ds666]

I can't see the value in reinventing some of this functionality - what's wrong with stalks ? Half this electrical wizardry is complete tosh .
Do Tesla drivers only need to pass a "limited driving ability test " as they seem to need to rely on all this v2.3 driver aid Sh*t

[SWoll]

Dave Hedgehog said:

SWoll said:

Had our Model 3 for 2 days and just been out in torrential rain for the first time. The auto wipers work fine, changing to manual would take a second if required (but wasn't) and the button on the stalk does a great job of giving a single wipe.

Where they struggle a bit is when it's stopped raining but a light mist is kicked up by the car in front running through water left on the road. Again, much like most auto wiper systems I've ever encountered and a non issue with single wipe button on the stalk.

Totally overblown issue IME so far.

it is possible mine is faulty, but it has never worked and i have sat for hours in rain (probably days), the auto wiper never activates until you can no longer see the cars in front

spamming the manual button on the stalk gets irksome after 45 minutes of doing it every couple of seconds

having to constantly press the button then move over to the ipad to change the wiper speed suxs

I have heard this a lot but honestly not my experience as seemed to work really well with rain that went from light to heavy to torrential in the space of 10 minutes. Was paying plenty of attention as well as expected a problem.

Very strange but then Tesla do seem to have a well earned reputation for the variably of the quality of their cars I suppose. My M3P seems great but found out today that of the cars Evezy received last week 20% had to go back to Tesla due to issues. Lots of unhappy subscribers waiting for cars now being told March 2020..

Edited by SWoll on Friday 6th December 16:22

[Mikehig]

squirdan said:

I charged using a Source London 22kw charger this morning...

car went from 45% to 80% where I stopped it

they calculate it on the minutes you were connected, not the actual power you used

anyway...139 minutes - £16.54

still cheap vs petrol but not exactly a bargain. convenient though as by the office and avoids me paying for parking

strikes me thats a fat profit margin for someone though !

That time-based pricing does look naughty.
The charger must have been running at well below max output because that time charging at 22kW should give something over 50 kWh but 35% of your battery capacity can't be anywhere near that much as it implies a total capacity of over 150 kWh.
Did it show how many kWh you bought?

[SWoll]

ds666 said:

I can't see the value in reinventing some of this functionality - what's wrong with stalks ? Half this electrical wizardry is complete tosh .
Do Tesla drivers only need to pass a "limited driving ability test " as they seem to need to rely on all this v2.3 driver aid Sh*t

It has 2 stalks and 2 steering wheel buttons. What has been removed is having switches all over the centre console and it works very well IME so far.

[Dave Hedgehog]

SWoll said:

ds666 said:

I can't see the value in reinventing some of this functionality - what's wrong with stalks ? Half this electrical wizardry is complete tosh .
Do Tesla drivers only need to pass a "limited driving ability test " as they seem to need to rely on all this v2.3 driver aid Sh*t

It has 2 stalks and 2 steering wheel buttons. What has been removed is having switches all over the centre console and it works very well IME so far.

95% of the functions on the ipad are fine as you dont change them much, and i dont use the media or outdated sat nav

but the key things i change a lot are a PITA IMO buried in there like the wipers, temp controls and it needs an M button to enable mental power mode

the MACH E looks like it has the balance much better

[RobDickinson]

Mikehig said:

That time-based pricing does look naughty.
The charger must have been running at well below max output because that time charging at 22kW should give something over 50 kWh but 35% of your battery capacity can't be anywhere near that much as it implies a total capacity of over 150 kWh.
Did it show how many kWh you bought?

I assume this is ac, the 3 only charges max 11kw then

[SWoll]

Dave Hedgehog said:

SWoll said:

ds666 said:

I can't see the value in reinventing some of this functionality - what's wrong with stalks ? Half this electrical wizardry is complete tosh .
Do Tesla drivers only need to pass a "limited driving ability test " as they seem to need to rely on all this v2.3 driver aid Sh*t

It has 2 stalks and 2 steering wheel buttons. What has been removed is having switches all over the centre console and it works very well IME so far.

95% of the functions on the ipad are fine as you dont change them much, and i dont use the media or outdated sat nav

but the key things i change a lot are a PITA IMO buried in there like the wipers, temp controls and it needs an M button to enable mental power mode

the MACH E looks like it has the balance much better

Temp controls are right at the bottom of the screen always and why would you not drive in Sport all the time? Finding it very easy to drive sedately so far and warp drive is an ankle flex away. I donlt see me ever putting it in chill (other than in snow perhaps)

ETA - Also the satnav seems spot on to me? Not arsed about the lack of 3D personally and it seems to route very quickly and the instructions and traffic information are very clear. Spotify Premium is also very good.

Biggest issues for me so far are the steering (too heavy or too light, zero feel) and the throttle response in reverse being mental.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 6th December 18:00