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Day 2 : My real world commute.
Up at 04:30, left at 04:50, in the office 100 miles away < 2hrs later. Car range said 240 miles, Google said 52% and 06:46 for arrival.
Left with range at 100% and pre-conditioning set for an 04:45 leave. Didnt use Climate, was a cool 8 - 12 degs outside. Cruise set at 65-70mph, 3-4 quick spurts when exiting M5, basically drove it exactly as I normally would. Lovely lovely morning for a cruise down the M5, over the docks at Bristol and into North Somerset....
This is what it said on arrival (its the left 'Trip Auto' - reset the one on the right by accident!)
So Google would appear pessimistic in terms of range, the car was too - very slightly. By my maths, 100 miles = 40%, therefore 100% = 250 miles.
Obviously, climate will hit range, but if its a bit warmer that will negate a bit. Winter I'm expecting a 20% hit, so should JUST do it - with a choice of either... i) slow down a bit, ii) stop for a 5 min charge and a coffee (normal), or iii) charge at the office park and ride and take a shuttle bus (adds 5 mins each way to journey, but free eleccy).
Nice car, very pleased so far.
Up at 04:30, left at 04:50, in the office 100 miles away < 2hrs later. Car range said 240 miles, Google said 52% and 06:46 for arrival.
Left with range at 100% and pre-conditioning set for an 04:45 leave. Didnt use Climate, was a cool 8 - 12 degs outside. Cruise set at 65-70mph, 3-4 quick spurts when exiting M5, basically drove it exactly as I normally would. Lovely lovely morning for a cruise down the M5, over the docks at Bristol and into North Somerset....
This is what it said on arrival (its the left 'Trip Auto' - reset the one on the right by accident!)
So Google would appear pessimistic in terms of range, the car was too - very slightly. By my maths, 100 miles = 40%, therefore 100% = 250 miles.
Obviously, climate will hit range, but if its a bit warmer that will negate a bit. Winter I'm expecting a 20% hit, so should JUST do it - with a choice of either... i) slow down a bit, ii) stop for a 5 min charge and a coffee (normal), or iii) charge at the office park and ride and take a shuttle bus (adds 5 mins each way to journey, but free eleccy).
Nice car, very pleased so far.
Yeah, 30kwh / 100 miles = 3.3 miles per kwh - alright I guess, could easily eek out a bit more I reckon.
Our Zoe is running more like 4 miles per kwh at the moment for comparison. We are seeing an easy 200 miles range, but swa it drop to 160 miles in the Winter, even 140 when it was really cold, like -8 cold. But the PS2 is 40% bigger, and 3x the power.
My 3.0TT 992 C2S (450bhp) only does 30-33mpg when driven like a saint (60mph cruise). My old Mini JCW 2.0T (230bhp) could get to 50mpg when driven in a similar fashion. Bigger engine (or more motors) = more power / less efficient. Same rules, different units of measure, take your pick, efficiency v. size v. power compromise.
For all the grunt and drama that the 911 has, from the very limited time with it so far, the PS2's grunt seems far far more useable in the real world.
See what we end up with when I get home tonight.
Our Zoe is running more like 4 miles per kwh at the moment for comparison. We are seeing an easy 200 miles range, but swa it drop to 160 miles in the Winter, even 140 when it was really cold, like -8 cold. But the PS2 is 40% bigger, and 3x the power.
My 3.0TT 992 C2S (450bhp) only does 30-33mpg when driven like a saint (60mph cruise). My old Mini JCW 2.0T (230bhp) could get to 50mpg when driven in a similar fashion. Bigger engine (or more motors) = more power / less efficient. Same rules, different units of measure, take your pick, efficiency v. size v. power compromise.
For all the grunt and drama that the 911 has, from the very limited time with it so far, the PS2's grunt seems far far more useable in the real world.
See what we end up with when I get home tonight.
I am sorely tempted by one of these.
It's through a Salary Sacrifice scheme at work.
The alternative is TESLA 3 which I don't like the look of....
my concern is 2 fold.
1) I live in Scotland - so range anxiety is compounded with the cold weather.
2) whilst most travel is local, trips of 250 miles to Manchester (once F2F business is back) will be on the cars as well as 480m trips to London once / twice a year.
In real world driving I need to ensure that I can get to Manchester comfortably. I assume that driving like Miss Daisy I can get to Manchester and will have to get it recharged for the return trip.
Recharging with in a public charger, how long would it take to charge up? These fast chargers - are they readily available and what level do they charge at? I had a look at Carwow video of Tesla vs P2 and the charging rate was considerably lower than claimed. Obviously it does not meet the levels of the Tesla superchargers, that I understand - but is anything similar in the offing?
Temps here can get to minus 10 so knowing that I will have reduced range is a real world issue - Im guessing a heat pump is a necessity?
I'm thinking long range singlebut then haveto add in £4k for the PLUS package to get the heat pump.
Anyone with more experience care to share their grreater wisdom?
It's through a Salary Sacrifice scheme at work.
The alternative is TESLA 3 which I don't like the look of....
my concern is 2 fold.
1) I live in Scotland - so range anxiety is compounded with the cold weather.
2) whilst most travel is local, trips of 250 miles to Manchester (once F2F business is back) will be on the cars as well as 480m trips to London once / twice a year.
In real world driving I need to ensure that I can get to Manchester comfortably. I assume that driving like Miss Daisy I can get to Manchester and will have to get it recharged for the return trip.
Recharging with in a public charger, how long would it take to charge up? These fast chargers - are they readily available and what level do they charge at? I had a look at Carwow video of Tesla vs P2 and the charging rate was considerably lower than claimed. Obviously it does not meet the levels of the Tesla superchargers, that I understand - but is anything similar in the offing?
Temps here can get to minus 10 so knowing that I will have reduced range is a real world issue - Im guessing a heat pump is a necessity?
I'm thinking long range singlebut then haveto add in £4k for the PLUS package to get the heat pump.
Anyone with more experience care to share their grreater wisdom?
Meeten-5dulx said:
I am sorely tempted by one of these.
It's through a Salary Sacrifice scheme at work.
The alternative is TESLA 3 which I don't like the look of....
my concern is 2 fold.
1) I live in Scotland - so range anxiety is compounded with the cold weather.
2) whilst most travel is local, trips of 250 miles to Manchester (once F2F business is back) will be on the cars as well as 480m trips to London once / twice a year.
In real world driving I need to ensure that I can get to Manchester comfortably. I assume that driving like Miss Daisy I can get to Manchester and will have to get it recharged for the return trip.
Recharging with in a public charger, how long would it take to charge up? These fast chargers - are they readily available and what level do they charge at? I had a look at Carwow video of Tesla vs P2 and the charging rate was considerably lower than claimed. Obviously it does not meet the levels of the Tesla superchargers, that I understand - but is anything similar in the offing?
Temps here can get to minus 10 so knowing that I will have reduced range is a real world issue - Im guessing a heat pump is a necessity?
I'm thinking long range singlebut then haveto add in £4k for the PLUS package to get the heat pump.
Anyone with more experience care to share their grreater wisdom?
According to this test:It's through a Salary Sacrifice scheme at work.
The alternative is TESLA 3 which I don't like the look of....
my concern is 2 fold.
1) I live in Scotland - so range anxiety is compounded with the cold weather.
2) whilst most travel is local, trips of 250 miles to Manchester (once F2F business is back) will be on the cars as well as 480m trips to London once / twice a year.
In real world driving I need to ensure that I can get to Manchester comfortably. I assume that driving like Miss Daisy I can get to Manchester and will have to get it recharged for the return trip.
Recharging with in a public charger, how long would it take to charge up? These fast chargers - are they readily available and what level do they charge at? I had a look at Carwow video of Tesla vs P2 and the charging rate was considerably lower than claimed. Obviously it does not meet the levels of the Tesla superchargers, that I understand - but is anything similar in the offing?
Temps here can get to minus 10 so knowing that I will have reduced range is a real world issue - Im guessing a heat pump is a necessity?
I'm thinking long range singlebut then haveto add in £4k for the PLUS package to get the heat pump.
Anyone with more experience care to share their grreater wisdom?
https://insideevs.com/news/512426/norway-ev-summer...
250 miles is going to be very optimistic in the winter for the Polestar 2, while the TM3 LR will do it in a Norwegian winter.
Tbh if you prefer the look and feel of the Polestar 2, I wouldn't be put off by having to charge <30 min on a 5h drive every month or so.
That is, if the facilities are there of course.
ZesPak said:
According to this test:
https://insideevs.com/news/512426/norway-ev-summer...
250 miles is going to be very optimistic in the winter for the Polestar 2, while the TM3 LR will do it in a Norwegian winter.
Tbh if you prefer the look and feel of the Polestar 2, I wouldn't be put off by having to charge <30 min on a 5h drive every month or so.
That is, if the facilities are there of course.
I definitely WANT to like the P2 more -that's easy.https://insideevs.com/news/512426/norway-ev-summer...
250 miles is going to be very optimistic in the winter for the Polestar 2, while the TM3 LR will do it in a Norwegian winter.
Tbh if you prefer the look and feel of the Polestar 2, I wouldn't be put off by having to charge <30 min on a 5h drive every month or so.
That is, if the facilities are there of course.
But it is the practicality that is a concern.
I am led to believe that a recent OTA update helped the efficiency, but it is not as high as the Tesla (which looks too guppy to me).
I agree that having to stop to charge up on a 20m trip is not the end of the world, but then it is the rate of charging which again Tesla is far superior.
My understanding is that the latest OTA from Tesla included a heat pump - which is something that I am having to for out £4k for in P2....
Am I just fighting a losing battle in trying to show the P2 is a better proposition than the Tesla (for me)....?
Meeten-5dulx said:
I definitely WANT to like the P2 more -that's easy.
But it is the practicality that is a concern.
I am led to believe that a recent OTA update helped the efficiency, but it is not as high as the Tesla (which looks too guppy to me).
I agree that having to stop to charge up on a 20m trip is not the end of the world, but then it is the rate of charging which again Tesla is far superior.
My understanding is that the latest OTA from Tesla included a heat pump - which is something that I am having to for out £4k for in P2....
Am I just fighting a losing battle in trying to show the P2 is a better proposition than the Tesla (for me)....?
Playing the numbers game, the TM3 is just an incredible proposition as an EV tbh.But it is the practicality that is a concern.
I am led to believe that a recent OTA update helped the efficiency, but it is not as high as the Tesla (which looks too guppy to me).
I agree that having to stop to charge up on a 20m trip is not the end of the world, but then it is the rate of charging which again Tesla is far superior.
My understanding is that the latest OTA from Tesla included a heat pump - which is something that I am having to for out £4k for in P2....
Am I just fighting a losing battle in trying to show the P2 is a better proposition than the Tesla (for me)....?
From Gretna down to Manchester there is no problem getting charged - the ecotricity units on A74M (Abington and Annandale Water I think it is) and M6 (lots from Carlisle down) should all be getting upgraded in the next couple fo months to reliable 120kW or faster units, and there are a few minutes of the M6 several Booths supermarkets a very short drive from the motorway with Instavolt
oop north said:
From Gretna down to Manchester there is no problem getting charged - the ecotricity units on A74M (Abington and Annandale Water I think it is) and M6 (lots from Carlisle down) should all be getting upgraded in the next couple fo months to reliable 120kW or faster units, and there are a few minutes of the M6 several Booths supermarkets a very short drive from the motorway with Instavolt
Ionity (expensive) at Gretna, but good (we use Cullompton a fair bit - not with the PS2 yet). 5% discount now with Octopus Juice card. If you mainly charge from home, the 66p / kwh soon becomes meaningless. Should give at least 100kw, technically 150kw (but unlikely) charging. If you do it every day, all the time, its as expensive as a petrol, and not a very efficient one!Meeten-5dulx said:
I am sorely tempted by one of these.
It's through a Salary Sacrifice scheme at work.
The alternative is TESLA 3 which I don't like the look of....
my concern is 2 fold.
1) I live in Scotland - so range anxiety is compounded with the cold weather.
2) whilst most travel is local, trips of 250 miles to Manchester (once F2F business is back) will be on the cars as well as 480m trips to London once / twice a year.
In real world driving I need to ensure that I can get to Manchester comfortably. I assume that driving like Miss Daisy I can get to Manchester and will have to get it recharged for the return trip.
Recharging with in a public charger, how long would it take to charge up? These fast chargers - are they readily available and what level do they charge at? I had a look at Carwow video of Tesla vs P2 and the charging rate was considerably lower than claimed. Obviously it does not meet the levels of the Tesla superchargers, that I understand - but is anything similar in the offing?
Temps here can get to minus 10 so knowing that I will have reduced range is a real world issue - Im guessing a heat pump is a necessity?
I'm thinking long range singlebut then haveto add in £4k for the PLUS package to get the heat pump.
Anyone with more experience care to share their grreater wisdom?
The heat pump is part of the plus pack on all models of the P2 so going to cost you £4k no matter which you choose. It's through a Salary Sacrifice scheme at work.
The alternative is TESLA 3 which I don't like the look of....
my concern is 2 fold.
1) I live in Scotland - so range anxiety is compounded with the cold weather.
2) whilst most travel is local, trips of 250 miles to Manchester (once F2F business is back) will be on the cars as well as 480m trips to London once / twice a year.
In real world driving I need to ensure that I can get to Manchester comfortably. I assume that driving like Miss Daisy I can get to Manchester and will have to get it recharged for the return trip.
Recharging with in a public charger, how long would it take to charge up? These fast chargers - are they readily available and what level do they charge at? I had a look at Carwow video of Tesla vs P2 and the charging rate was considerably lower than claimed. Obviously it does not meet the levels of the Tesla superchargers, that I understand - but is anything similar in the offing?
Temps here can get to minus 10 so knowing that I will have reduced range is a real world issue - Im guessing a heat pump is a necessity?
I'm thinking long range singlebut then haveto add in £4k for the PLUS package to get the heat pump.
Anyone with more experience care to share their grreater wisdom?
Would definitely suggest going for the RWD LR version of the car if range anxiety is your primary concern as should be 10-20% more efficient . You are of course then missing out on AWD (useful in Scottish winters?) and almost 200bhp of additional power from the second motor.
You can precondition the battery/interior when connected to your home charger which will help on very cold mornings to maintain as much range as possible.
dgswk said:
oop north said:
From Gretna down to Manchester there is no problem getting charged - the ecotricity units on A74M (Abington and Annandale Water I think it is) and M6 (lots from Carlisle down) should all be getting upgraded in the next couple fo months to reliable 120kW or faster units, and there are a few minutes of the M6 several Booths supermarkets a very short drive from the motorway with Instavolt
Ionity (expensive) at Gretna, but good (we use Cullompton a fair bit - not with the PS2 yet). 5% discount now with Octopus Juice card. If you mainly charge from home, the 66p / kwh soon becomes meaningless. Should give at least 100kw, technically 150kw (but unlikely) charging. If you do it every day, all the time, its as expensive as a petrol, and not a very efficient one!
https://www.polestar.com/global/press/press-releas...
oop north said:
From Gretna down to Manchester there is no problem getting charged - the ecotricity units on A74M (Abington and Annandale Water I think it is) and M6 (lots from Carlisle down) should all be getting upgraded in the next couple fo months to reliable 120kW or faster units, and there are a few minutes of the M6 several Booths supermarkets a very short drive from the motorway with Instavolt
Thanks for that.Obviously I will be leaving with a full charge, adn would want to have minimal time waiting for the car to refuel when out and about.
What sort of charging rrate are people getting when they are not at home?
SWoll said:
The heat pump is part of the plus pack on all models of the P2 so going to cost you £4k no matter which you choose.
Would definitely suggest going for the RWD LR version of the car if range anxiety is your primary concern as should be 10-20% more efficient . You are of course then missing out on AWD (useful in Scottish winters?) and almost 200bhp of additional power from the second motor.
You can precondition the battery/interior when connected to your home charger which will help on very cold mornings to maintain as much range as possible.
Yeah, mine is a '2021' 4WD car, came with both Pilot and Plus packs, however no Heat Exchanger. At the time of ordering, the 2WD LR model was not available. Given the other speedy toy in the fleet, I might have originally gone for the 2WD LR given the choice, not that I actually need it, but because I might have range anxiety.... (I don't and never have, but I might, which is range anxiety.... arrrgghhh Would definitely suggest going for the RWD LR version of the car if range anxiety is your primary concern as should be 10-20% more efficient . You are of course then missing out on AWD (useful in Scottish winters?) and almost 200bhp of additional power from the second motor.
You can precondition the battery/interior when connected to your home charger which will help on very cold mornings to maintain as much range as possible.
)Anyway, as it played out I did get the choice - my company car order coincided with the removal of the grant and was rejected. At the same time the 2WD LR became available, so I was annoyed and intrigued all at the same time. But then -20% range or x2 acceleration.... and having to wait a further 20 weeks, meant a November car was on the cards.
Fortunately, our fleet manager is a star and fully understands the importance of the company car in the corporate pecking order and pointed out to our leasing company that we had ordered two weeks before Grant removal and they (or Polestar) had done f
k all with the order..... They sorted it for a slightly compromised spec (no slate interior) and even got a personal apology from Polestar Fleet.Result.
Jacobyte said:
dgswk said:
oop north said:
From Gretna down to Manchester there is no problem getting charged - the ecotricity units on A74M (Abington and Annandale Water I think it is) and M6 (lots from Carlisle down) should all be getting upgraded in the next couple fo months to reliable 120kW or faster units, and there are a few minutes of the M6 several Booths supermarkets a very short drive from the motorway with Instavolt
Ionity (expensive) at Gretna, but good (we use Cullompton a fair bit - not with the PS2 yet). 5% discount now with Octopus Juice card. If you mainly charge from home, the 66p / kwh soon becomes meaningless. Should give at least 100kw, technically 150kw (but unlikely) charging. If you do it every day, all the time, its as expensive as a petrol, and not a very efficient one!https://www.polestar.com/global/press/press-releas...
dgswk said:
Day 2 : My real world commute.
Up at 04:30, left at 04:50, in the office 100 miles away < 2hrs later. Car range said 240 miles, Google said 52% and 06:46 for arrival.
Left with range at 100% and pre-conditioning set for an 04:45 leave. Didnt use Climate, was a cool 8 - 12 degs outside. Cruise set at 65-70mph, 3-4 quick spurts when exiting M5, basically drove it exactly as I normally would. Lovely lovely morning for a cruise down the M5, over the docks at Bristol and into North Somerset....
This is what it said on arrival (its the left 'Trip Auto' - reset the one on the right by accident!)
So Google would appear pessimistic in terms of range, the car was too - very slightly. By my maths, 100 miles = 40%, therefore 100% = 250 miles.
Obviously, climate will hit range, but if its a bit warmer that will negate a bit. Winter I'm expecting a 20% hit, so should JUST do it - with a choice of either... i) slow down a bit, ii) stop for a 5 min charge and a coffee (normal), or iii) charge at the office park and ride and take a shuttle bus (adds 5 mins each way to journey, but free eleccy).
Nice car, very pleased so far.
An update, to those who are interested in some real PS2 commute data....Up at 04:30, left at 04:50, in the office 100 miles away < 2hrs later. Car range said 240 miles, Google said 52% and 06:46 for arrival.
Left with range at 100% and pre-conditioning set for an 04:45 leave. Didnt use Climate, was a cool 8 - 12 degs outside. Cruise set at 65-70mph, 3-4 quick spurts when exiting M5, basically drove it exactly as I normally would. Lovely lovely morning for a cruise down the M5, over the docks at Bristol and into North Somerset....
This is what it said on arrival (its the left 'Trip Auto' - reset the one on the right by accident!)
So Google would appear pessimistic in terms of range, the car was too - very slightly. By my maths, 100 miles = 40%, therefore 100% = 250 miles.
Obviously, climate will hit range, but if its a bit warmer that will negate a bit. Winter I'm expecting a 20% hit, so should JUST do it - with a choice of either... i) slow down a bit, ii) stop for a 5 min charge and a coffee (normal), or iii) charge at the office park and ride and take a shuttle bus (adds 5 mins each way to journey, but free eleccy).
Nice car, very pleased so far.
Day 2 - The return home....
15:00, car said 170 miles, 60% battery. Google said 12% battery for the 100 mile return journey. However, I got brave and did a small 6 mile detour via another site. Temperatures warmer, 23-25degs but with Climate set to 21 on auto in car. Here are the stats for the return journey (Trip Auto on the right again)
Got home with 21% on the battery, and 60 miles range! That also included a couple of 10-60mph rolling joy rides for a couple of people at work who wanted to 'feel the force'. They thought it was very very funny, and it brightened their day.
In total, 206 miles on 79% battery. My maths - 260 miles real range if you ran it empty. Car said 240 when I left this morning.
Thats not pootling about, but equally not tailgating at 80+ in the outside lane. Thats adaptive cruise set to 70mph for 178 miles, the rest is town and some A-roads, with good weather.
Hope that helps anyone looking at one. Ask me about the actual car in a few days when I've got my head around it - suffice to say its very nice, but anything would be after a sheddy 13 year old Audi A6 with nearly 170k miles on it....
Edited to add: 3.6 miles per kwh on the way home. Only 10% down on the substantially slower, but still nippy Zoe.
Edited by dgswk on Wednesday 9th June 19:29
dgswk said:
Jacobyte said:
dgswk said:
oop north said:
From Gretna down to Manchester there is no problem getting charged - the ecotricity units on A74M (Abington and Annandale Water I think it is) and M6 (lots from Carlisle down) should all be getting upgraded in the next couple fo months to reliable 120kW or faster units, and there are a few minutes of the M6 several Booths supermarkets a very short drive from the motorway with Instavolt
Ionity (expensive) at Gretna, but good (we use Cullompton a fair bit - not with the PS2 yet). 5% discount now with Octopus Juice card. If you mainly charge from home, the 66p / kwh soon becomes meaningless. Should give at least 100kw, technically 150kw (but unlikely) charging. If you do it every day, all the time, its as expensive as a petrol, and not a very efficient one!https://www.polestar.com/global/press/press-releas...
dgswk said:
An update, to those who are interested in some real PS2 commute data....
Day 2 - The return home....
15:00, car said 170 miles, 60% battery. Google said 12% battery for the 100 mile return journey. However, I got brave and did a small 6 mile detour via another site. Temperatures warmer, 23-25degs but with Climate set to 21 on auto in car. Here are the stats for the return journey (Trip Auto on the right again)
Got home with 21% on the battery, and 60 miles range! That also included a couple of 10-60mph rolling joy rides for a couple of people at work who wanted to 'feel the force'. They thought it was very very funny, and it brightened their day.
In total, 206 miles on 79% battery. My maths - 260 miles real range if you ran it empty. Car said 240 when I left this morning.
Thats not pootling about, but equally not tailgating at 80+ in the outside lane. Thats adaptive cruise set to 70mph for 178 miles, the rest is town and some A-roads, with good weather.
Hope that helps anyone looking at one. Ask me about the actual car in a few days when I've got my head around it - suffice to say its very nice, but anything would be after a sheddy 13 year old Audi A6 with nearly 170k miles on it....
Edited to add: 3.6 miles per kwh on the way home. Only 10% down on the substantially slower, but still nippy Zoe.
Very Good numbers that. Just checked our Tesla After doing a 50 mile trip earlier today and almost identical, Polestar have clearly really improved the efficiency over the past few monthsDay 2 - The return home....
15:00, car said 170 miles, 60% battery. Google said 12% battery for the 100 mile return journey. However, I got brave and did a small 6 mile detour via another site. Temperatures warmer, 23-25degs but with Climate set to 21 on auto in car. Here are the stats for the return journey (Trip Auto on the right again)
Got home with 21% on the battery, and 60 miles range! That also included a couple of 10-60mph rolling joy rides for a couple of people at work who wanted to 'feel the force'. They thought it was very very funny, and it brightened their day.
In total, 206 miles on 79% battery. My maths - 260 miles real range if you ran it empty. Car said 240 when I left this morning.
Thats not pootling about, but equally not tailgating at 80+ in the outside lane. Thats adaptive cruise set to 70mph for 178 miles, the rest is town and some A-roads, with good weather.
Hope that helps anyone looking at one. Ask me about the actual car in a few days when I've got my head around it - suffice to say its very nice, but anything would be after a sheddy 13 year old Audi A6 with nearly 170k miles on it....
Edited to add: 3.6 miles per kwh on the way home. Only 10% down on the substantially slower, but still nippy Zoe.
Edited by dgswk on Wednesday 9th June 19:29
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