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Fingers crossed you are right, but I'd take any range calculator with a pinch of salt personally.
Having owned 2 EV's now and driven them through UK winters the drop in range is far more significant than suggested when temperatures drop to freezing or below IME.
Be very interesting to see what the real world numbers are when they finally get into the hands of owners.
Having owned 2 EV's now and driven them through UK winters the drop in range is far more significant than suggested when temperatures drop to freezing or below IME.
Be very interesting to see what the real world numbers are when they finally get into the hands of owners.
SWoll said:
Fingers crossed you are right, but I'd take any range calculator with a pinch of salt personally.
Having owned 2 EV's now and driven them through UK winters the drop in range is far more significant than suggested when temperatures drop to freezing or below IME.
Be very interesting to see what the real world numbers are when they finally get into the hands of owners.
I've got my fingers crossed. I'm hoping even a 35% drop-off will work. On the range calculator, its obviously there for the Nordic areas as temp options are -15/+5/+25.Having owned 2 EV's now and driven them through UK winters the drop in range is far more significant than suggested when temperatures drop to freezing or below IME.
Be very interesting to see what the real world numbers are when they finally get into the hands of owners.
I live in the southwest, it generally tends not to get too cold, just wet!
Justhe-1 said:
Struggling with colour though - I've done black to death and not sure if whites my thing.
It's pretty much designed to look best in white, with the contrasting gloss black details. My preorder was for a white car before I cancelled it.You can't see the car in the UK at the moment, but the Polestar "spaces" should be opening soon. I believe London, Birmingham, and Manchester are confirmed locations. I sat in the car and pored over it in great detail during the roadshow last year. Got plenty of pictures and tried everything out. It's a really nice car and you won't be disappointed. Quite snug inside and it feels like it wraps around you, which I really enjoyed. The boot was even bigger than I expected.
Hi, I have just placed an order for one of these (in thunder with charcoal interior) after much research including this thread - thanks.
Just wondering if there is any news yet on the £3000.00 govt grant? Which will obviously bring the car down to £46,900. Can't seem to find a definitive answer one way or the other.
Cheers
Just wondering if there is any news yet on the £3000.00 govt grant? Which will obviously bring the car down to £46,900. Can't seem to find a definitive answer one way or the other.
Cheers
Yes, it is. See https://twitter.com/PolestarCars/status/1278323312...
kc21574 said:
Just wondering if there is any news yet on the £3000.00 govt grant? Which will obviously bring the car down to £46,900. Can't seem to find a definitive answer one way or the other.
Edited by factor on Saturday 4th July 16:18
jason61c said:
you can't, not being sold at volvo dealers, as they're the 'performance and premium' range(which seems silly to me), no test drives yet and i'm not even sure if you can see one in the UK.
As above, i'm taking a punt based on all the reviews of the pre-prod models and general confidence in a volvo/geely product.
I'm not a serious buyer but definitely on my to do list to go have a nosey look. Any idea where these will be sold out of, if not Volvo? Geely have showrooms? As above, i'm taking a punt based on all the reviews of the pre-prod models and general confidence in a volvo/geely product.
sambucket said:
I'm not a serious buyer but definitely on my to do list to go have a nosey look. Any idea where these will be sold out of, if not Volvo? Geely have showrooms?
Geely own everything. its polestar........ they're going to have 'spaces' to view. its being run as a performance and prestige brand away from volvo.jason61c said:
The polestar app has a very honest range calculator, it’s saying at motorway speeds, -15deg c, aircon on , 192 mile range.
Given it struggles to get to -5, I’m not going to worry.
I did look at the model 3 range, it seems to vary depending on who makes the car, the Kia will just about manage it range on the motorway. This isn’t Tesla bashing but there is a little more smoke and mirrors about their range
Oh- I’m going for ‘thunder’ I think.
Thing to watch out for in a Tesla is that the GOM (estimated range remaining) is very simple. It uses a fixed Wh/km figure for the car is when you are on the motorway and massively exceeding that number the estimate is way too optimistic. The sat nav seems to be a bit more intelligent fortunately.Given it struggles to get to -5, I’m not going to worry.
I did look at the model 3 range, it seems to vary depending on who makes the car, the Kia will just about manage it range on the motorway. This isn’t Tesla bashing but there is a little more smoke and mirrors about their range
Oh- I’m going for ‘thunder’ I think.
Most cars have a proper GOM although they do vary in quality.
SWoll said:
jason61c said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
The only slight risk I can see with your plan is if you ever get a problem with your work charger. You are likely to use ~70-80% of the battery to cover 160 miles, depending upon the temperature and speed you travel.
So you are going to need reliable type 2 chargers at both home and work which don't trip.
totally, i'm not worried about either though, as its sort of the industry we're in.So you are going to need reliable type 2 chargers at both home and work which don't trip.
I did think if i've a proper long trip, the family car is a civic 1.6 estate, which being an oil burner, does 60+mpg so not all is lost.
I need something that realistically delivers 250 miles at 80mph. Does that mean I need a Model S 100 to achieve this comfortably? Looks like even a Modell 3/Y LR won't quite do the job comfortably.
skwdenyer said:
I need something that realistically delivers 250 miles at 80mph. Does that mean I need a Model S 100 to achieve this comfortably? Looks like even a Modell 3/Y LR won't quite do the job comfortably.
Even the Long Range Model S might struggle to do 250 miles in cold, wet weather. Remember the maximum range on most EVs is stated with a 100% charge, but most manufacturers recommend you don't routinely charge above 80%.Witchfinder said:
skwdenyer said:
I need something that realistically delivers 250 miles at 80mph. Does that mean I need a Model S 100 to achieve this comfortably? Looks like even a Modell 3/Y LR won't quite do the job comfortably.
Even the Long Range Model S might struggle to do 250 miles in cold, wet weather. Remember the maximum range on most EVs is stated with a 100% charge, but most manufacturers recommend you don't routinely charge above 80%.The alternative is a £30k special used Model S with lifetime free supercharging, some sort of extended warranty, and maybe a brave pill
Witchfinder said:
Even the Long Range Model S might struggle to do 250 miles in cold, wet weather. Remember the maximum range on most EVs is stated with a 100% charge, but most manufacturers recommend you don't routinely charge above 80%.
Yup, sadly agree. A 250 "guaranteed" miles EV does not exist yet, and that's before even thinking about fast(ish) motor way driving. Model S made 380 miles in Norway winter but mixed driving with 70mph motorway, don't think weather was that bad for Norway winter either.
https://www.naf.no/elbil/aktuelt/elbiltest/ev-wint...
https://www.naf.no/elbil/aktuelt/elbiltest/ev-wint...
Witchfinder said:
Even the Long Range Model S might struggle to do 250 miles in cold, wet weather. Remember the maximum range on most EVs is stated with a 100% charge, but most manufacturers recommend you don't routinely charge above 80%.
My 100D would do it with 90% charge (Tesla recommends 80-90% charge daily). But you'll be dropping below 10% everytime and might not make it in winter. On 100% I don't think you need a "brave pill". I bought the 100D because I regularly do 400km/day, but that's 200km each way and I often have access to (free) destination charging so I don't stress about it too much.
If I had to drive 4.5h in one go twice a week, I'd probably still charge at 90% but put in a 15 min stop at a supercharger I like (one with good coffee facilities). It seems only sensible and will remove all range anxiety. As I'm getting a bit older I notice I'm less good at eating the motorway miles that long.
I'd still get the Tesla just for the autopilot on the motorway though,even if it means a mandatory break somewhere.
Edited by ZesPak on Sunday 5th July 05:56
I’ll be ignoring all the stuff about 80% charge, I only need it to work for 3 years, so every charge will be to 100%. I’m not worried about long term impact on the battery life.
I’m quite confident it’ll be 200+ miles motorway range, even in winter.
You only have to look at the list/test I linked above, not all EV’s are equal, the Kia’s are very good at hitting their range, Tesla’s are not so good. Hopefully polestar will come closer to the kias ‘honesty’
I’m quite confident it’ll be 200+ miles motorway range, even in winter.
You only have to look at the list/test I linked above, not all EV’s are equal, the Kia’s are very good at hitting their range, Tesla’s are not so good. Hopefully polestar will come closer to the kias ‘honesty’
I do about 30k miles a year in my Zoe, I charge it to 100% all the time and regularly run it down to single figures before charging it up, it still has 90% battery at 66k miles which is not too bad.
I regularly exceed the What Car real range figure for the Zoe and have achieved the WlLTP range with a bit of care, so I think the Tesla will do more than they say, slowing down a little on the motorway makes a huge difference to the range and virtually no difference to my arrival time.
I regularly exceed the What Car real range figure for the Zoe and have achieved the WlLTP range with a bit of care, so I think the Tesla will do more than they say, slowing down a little on the motorway makes a huge difference to the range and virtually no difference to my arrival time.
jason61c said:
I’ll be ignoring all the stuff about 80% charge, I only need it to work for 3 years, so every charge will be to 100%. I’m not worried about long term impact on the battery life.
Agreed, seems to have minimal impact anyway. Tesloop were doing 100% and A LOT of Supercharging, which did murder the earlier batteries in terms of degradation though. jason61c said:
I’m quite confident it’ll be 200+ miles motorway range, even in winter.
You only have to look at the list/test I linked above, not all EV’s are equal, the Kia’s are very good at hitting their range, Tesla’s are not so good. Hopefully polestar will come closer to the kias ‘honesty’
The last test I've seen Tesla are quite middle of the pack in that aspect, with the Koreans indeed very impressive. This depends on type of driving of course, the heavier weight being a downside in city driving but the better aero coming to play in motorway miles. You only have to look at the list/test I linked above, not all EV’s are equal, the Kia’s are very good at hitting their range, Tesla’s are not so good. Hopefully polestar will come closer to the kias ‘honesty’
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