Polestar 2

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jamoor

14,506 posts

214 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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EddieSteadyGo said:
I think it is a remarkable achievement to effectively launch a new brand and a new car and manage to get it to be so competitive to a Model 3 in terms of price and specs.

I also think using the Google operating system, as the next step on from Android Auto, is a nice feature.

Now we have Polestar and Tesla both making £50k EVs with 4 wheel drive and 400+hp, they are laying down the marker for BMW etc.
Yep, the Germans seem to be non existant in this marketplace and are making promises for next year.

modeller

443 posts

165 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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jamoor said:
Yep, the Germans seem to be non existant in this marketplace and are making promises for next year.
e-tron 50 is closest.

Even XC40 BEV will be £10k more than a similarly spec'd Polestar 2

SWoll

18,207 posts

257 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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modeller said:
Even XC40 BEV will be £10k more than a similarly spec'd Polestar 2
Which seems ridiculous and does make you wonder if they are making a loss/slim margin on each P2 in an attempt to get the brand out there and grab some market share?

EddieSteadyGo

11,726 posts

202 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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SWoll said:
modeller said:
Even XC40 BEV will be £10k more than a similarly spec'd Polestar 2
Which seems ridiculous and does make you wonder if they are making a loss/slim margin on each P2 in an attempt to get the brand out there and grab some market share?
That would have to be a near certainty. For the next 2-3 years whilst battery production is still fairly limited and the prices relatively high, I would say the profitability of these large battery "mid priced" EVs only seem to make sense if you are gearing up for massive scale in the future.


hyphen

26,262 posts

89 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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SWoll said:
modeller said:
Even XC40 BEV will be £10k more than a similarly spec'd Polestar 2
Which seems ridiculous and does make you wonder if they are making a loss/slim margin on each P2 in an attempt to get the brand out there and grab some market share?
Online only isn't Polestar? So less overheads and no negotiation on price.

Volvo will be usual here is the inflated RRP and this is the deal. Plus suv bodyshape premium.

ZesPak

24,423 posts

195 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Also the XC40 BEV will be possibly be some sort of well equipped top of the range vehicle? So price needs to be elevated enough to slot in all the ICE vehicles underneath.

That, and the Polestar 2 price is basically set by the Model 3/Y / Mach E.

jason61c

5,978 posts

173 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Just read a few of the reviews, then signed the paperwork. Thunder grey with slate interior.

modeller

443 posts

165 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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jason61c said:
Just read a few of the reviews, then signed the paperwork. Thunder grey with slate interior.
The BCH rates are way lower than PCH .. a high rate tax payer can pick one of these up for <£400/mo.

Justhe-1

144 posts

93 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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jason61c said:
Just read a few of the reviews, then signed the paperwork. Thunder grey with slate interior.
After seeing the Autocar feature photos I changed my order this afternoon to Magnesium/slate laugh

jason61c

5,978 posts

173 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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modeller said:
The BCH rates are way lower than PCH .. a high rate tax payer can pick one of these up for <£400/mo.
as above 15kpa, towbar, maintained, 3+35 at 580+vat.


jason61c

5,978 posts

173 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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SWoll

18,207 posts

257 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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jason61c said:
"the look on Tesla drivers’ faces"

I'm assuming he means the fleeting glimpse you'll get of them in their rear view mirror? smile

The funny thing is that review compares the P2 to the Model 3 a lot whereas having read it I would suggest it's more of a bargain iPace rival? Similar weight, performance, raised ride height, hatchback practicality, range and possible charging challenges?

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 8th July 09:27

jason61c

5,978 posts

173 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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SWoll said:
"the look on Tesla drivers’ faces"

I'm assuming he means the fleeting glimpse you'll get of them in their rear view mirror? smile
given the numbers are conservative, every review has said how 'repeatable' the performance is(which isn't always the case), the fact its a decent steer, I think its more aimed at the fact its a premium product, I can let go of being 1 second slower to 60, just for the better looks and premium feel. its not making any outlandish claims.

its good for tesla, it'll help them push onwards, hopefully try and sort some of the quality/fit/finish issues, tesla will help push other's on in terms of tech and range. It'll be good for all of us.

aestetix1

868 posts

50 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Once they get the £30-something k model out it really will be the long range luxury EV to have.

SWoll

18,207 posts

257 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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aestetix1 said:
Once they get the £30-something k model out it really will be the long range luxury EV to have.
It'll certainly be interesting to see if they manage to get it out there at that price + exactly how luxurious and 'long range' it is if they do. Going to have to lose a few things to drop 20-30% from the current £50k base list price I'd suggest?

raspy

1,459 posts

93 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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It appears that Polestar 2 lease prices are out for personal contract hire, on the Polestar website (leasing by ALD I believe)

6 + 23 at £556 a month (including VAT) for 10k miles a year a total of £16,124 which works out at 34% of price of £46,900 (£49,900 before government grant)

If you want a longer lease, then for 3 years, it works out at £23,076, 49% of the cost of the car. Who knows what the charge is for going over the 10k miles a year limit, Polestar don't mention that at all.

Who on here is tempted (or put off) by those numbers? I thought that EVs have low depreciation?

virage11

29 posts

91 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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I have to admit to being gradually underwhelmed.

I placed an initial deposit back in February 2019 as thought the 2 could be a fantastic option vs Tesla (I just do not like their interior and exterior designs). Initial reviews have been very good - I think the product itself is great.

However, the whole customer experience has been terrible. I think I have called and emailed at least 15 times over the last six months requesting updates on pricing, delivery etc. For example, I remember getting an email about test drives probably 6 months ago - but the link to book never worked - and when queried several times over a couple of months, was just told this should be happening soon and they didn't know why the booking link didn't work!

More recently Covid has clearly been felt - but the message on Polestar's press feeds was that Covid did not impact production. Leasing companies started to advertise rates of around £450 per month (inc VAT) on 24 month deals from around two months ago but could not confirm delivery dates / ordering (understandably given Polestar UK - which seems to be one person as far as I can tell) equally has been unable to confirm anything. We finally now have finance figures released (three weeks after the government approved EV grant status) which are rather more than originally mentioned. Equally the process seems to just send you to a leasing company directly - I am sorry but does not work in my opinion for a new premium product launch. Fair enough, after confirming spec, delivery target etc. then being sent to a leasing company should you choose to go down the leasing route but not at the start.

Given the pretty terrible level of communication and support, I would be severely concerned about what happens if you actually get a car in September. There is no Polestar UK, no dealerships, one person on the end of a phone (after you have to stay on hold for a while)....what happens when something goes wrong with the car, which is not unrealistic given it is a brand new car? I can foresee be stranded somewhere with a confused looking AA person shrugging their shoulders going "mmm....electric Polestar...not sure what to do here".

Wanted to be really excited but hasn't turned out that way. Maybe just me!

jason61c

5,978 posts

173 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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virage11 said:
I have to admit to being gradually underwhelmed.

I placed an initial deposit back in February 2019 as thought the 2 could be a fantastic option vs Tesla (I just do not like their interior and exterior designs). Initial reviews have been very good - I think the product itself is great.

However, the whole customer experience has been terrible. I think I have called and emailed at least 15 times over the last six months requesting updates on pricing, delivery etc. For example, I remember getting an email about test drives probably 6 months ago - but the link to book never worked - and when queried several times over a couple of months, was just told this should be happening soon and they didn't know why the booking link didn't work!

More recently Covid has clearly been felt - but the message on Polestar's press feeds was that Covid did not impact production. Leasing companies started to advertise rates of around £450 per month (inc VAT) on 24 month deals from around two months ago but could not confirm delivery dates / ordering (understandably given Polestar UK - which seems to be one person as far as I can tell) equally has been unable to confirm anything. We finally now have finance figures released (three weeks after the government approved EV grant status) which are rather more than originally mentioned. Equally the process seems to just send you to a leasing company directly - I am sorry but does not work in my opinion for a new premium product launch. Fair enough, after confirming spec, delivery target etc. then being sent to a leasing company should you choose to go down the leasing route but not at the start.

Given the pretty terrible level of communication and support, I would be severely concerned about what happens if you actually get a car in September. There is no Polestar UK, no dealerships, one person on the end of a phone (after you have to stay on hold for a while)....what happens when something goes wrong with the car, which is not unrealistic given it is a brand new car? I can foresee be stranded somewhere with a confused looking AA person shrugging their shoulders going "mmm....electric Polestar...not sure what to do here".

Wanted to be really excited but hasn't turned out that way. Maybe just me!
I'd put money on being given a volvo if there's any issues. some press things have said selected volvo dealerships will lookafter servicing.

SWoll

18,207 posts

257 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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Have any of the reviewers driven the standard £49,900 car without the performance package yet out of interest? All of the reviews I've seen/read mention the 20" wheels and gold brakes etc.

jamoor

14,506 posts

214 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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jason61c said:
virage11 said:
I have to admit to being gradually underwhelmed.

I placed an initial deposit back in February 2019 as thought the 2 could be a fantastic option vs Tesla (I just do not like their interior and exterior designs). Initial reviews have been very good - I think the product itself is great.

However, the whole customer experience has been terrible. I think I have called and emailed at least 15 times over the last six months requesting updates on pricing, delivery etc. For example, I remember getting an email about test drives probably 6 months ago - but the link to book never worked - and when queried several times over a couple of months, was just told this should be happening soon and they didn't know why the booking link didn't work!

More recently Covid has clearly been felt - but the message on Polestar's press feeds was that Covid did not impact production. Leasing companies started to advertise rates of around £450 per month (inc VAT) on 24 month deals from around two months ago but could not confirm delivery dates / ordering (understandably given Polestar UK - which seems to be one person as far as I can tell) equally has been unable to confirm anything. We finally now have finance figures released (three weeks after the government approved EV grant status) which are rather more than originally mentioned. Equally the process seems to just send you to a leasing company directly - I am sorry but does not work in my opinion for a new premium product launch. Fair enough, after confirming spec, delivery target etc. then being sent to a leasing company should you choose to go down the leasing route but not at the start.

Given the pretty terrible level of communication and support, I would be severely concerned about what happens if you actually get a car in September. There is no Polestar UK, no dealerships, one person on the end of a phone (after you have to stay on hold for a while)....what happens when something goes wrong with the car, which is not unrealistic given it is a brand new car? I can foresee be stranded somewhere with a confused looking AA person shrugging their shoulders going "mmm....electric Polestar...not sure what to do here".

Wanted to be really excited but hasn't turned out that way. Maybe just me!
I'd put money on being given a volvo if there's any issues. some press things have said selected volvo dealerships will lookafter servicing.
Do these cars require regular maintenance?