EV sales in UK fall for 1st time

EV sales in UK fall for 1st time

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anonymous-user

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53 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Might put a spanner in the uk.gov plans for everyone to go electric..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48865702

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 4th July 12:32

familyguy1

778 posts

131 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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could this simply be availability, all new EV's have a massive waiting list.

coldel

7,733 posts

145 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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gottans said:
Might put a spanner in the uk.gov plans for evetyone to electric..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48865702
I would have thought it would have had the opposite effect, government to put even more taxation onto ICE cars and more benefits into EV. Although bear in mind the report is about hybrid cars not EVs in particular which continue to gain market share, albeit at a small rate.

RizzoTheRat

25,085 posts

191 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Total car sales down 4.9% while hybrid sales are down 4.7%, so a slight increase in market share for hybrids, but not by much. Halving the sales of PHEVs shows how big an impact the subsidies were having though. BEV sales up 60%, it'd be interesting to see what the actual numbers are though, are the increase in BEV sales similar to the decrease in PHEV sales?

anonymous-user

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53 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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coldel said:
gottans said:
Might put a spanner in the uk.gov plans for evetyone to electric..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48865702
I would have thought it would have had the opposite effect, government to put even more taxation onto ICE cars and more benefits into EV. Although bear in mind the report is about hybrid cars not EVs in particular which continue to gain market share, albeit at a small rate.
I think the dip was also in other markets and was due to I believe Tesla making a lot of deliveries and then nothing, could be similar effect in the UK but co-incedental to removal of subsidies.

As for more taxes of ICE, as much as the motorist is treated as a cash cow, taxing more to support EV sales might get a furious backlash as a step too far.



sjg

7,444 posts

264 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Well that's one way to put it, and rather different to my take.

Proper battery EV sales for June are up over 60% on June last year, now past 1% market share (was 0.6% a year ago), and that's despite very limited supply, popular models like the Leaf and Zoe about to get updates, and only a few hundred Model 3s registered before the end of the month.

PHEV is just about halved, again mostly supply related. Things like the Golf and Passat GTEs were available a year ago, now they're not (new Passat is coming). 3 series is refreshed and new 330e not available till next month. i3 went from mostly REX sales to a larger capacity battery-only version. Mercedes were doing plug-in hybrid C E and S class a year ago, now they're not and replacements not here yet. Ioniq is due a refresh, as is the Outlander.

The car sites have "best plug in hybrids 2019" type articles up and you literally can't buy half of them. Much of the market is premium SUVs to dodge things like ULEZ.

SMMT break down figures for non-plug-in hybrids - HEV (like the Prius) and MHEV (the mild 48v hybrids). Add them together and we've gone from 9675 to 10350.

All together, BEV, PHEV, HEV, MHEV have gone from 6.6% of the market to 6.7%.

figures here: https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrati...

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Edited by sjg on Thursday 4th July 12:56

coldel

7,733 posts

145 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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gottans said:
I think the dip was also in other markets and was due to I believe Tesla making a lot of deliveries and then nothing, could be similar effect in the UK but co-incedental to removal of subsidies.

As for more taxes of ICE, as much as the motorist is treated as a cash cow, taxing more to support EV sales might get a furious backlash as a step too far.
But what can be done? All political parties are ready to impose more cost on ICE ownership.

RazerSauber

2,262 posts

59 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Considering the uncertainty of our departure from the EU, I'd expect this. Are all car sales down or just low emission cars?

With the onset of the new Corsa being battery, and invariably the corresponding Peugeot, I would suspect they'll start coming up in the world.

sjg

7,444 posts

264 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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RazerSauber said:
Considering the uncertainty of our departure from the EU, I'd expect this. Are all car sales down or just low emission cars?
Yes, about 4.9% down compared to June 2018.

Not as bad as 2009-12, but it's been steadily shrinking since 2016.

Witchfinder

6,250 posts

251 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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gottans said:
As for more taxes of ICE, as much as the motorist is treated as a cash cow, taxing more to support EV sales might get a furious backlash as a step too far.
fk 'em. Polluter pays and all that. The whole planet needs to urgently reduce emissions, or we face our very own extinction level event. Even EVs are not ideal, and are not a panacea on their own.

coldel

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145 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Witchfinder said:
fk 'em. Polluter pays and all that. The whole planet needs to urgently reduce emissions, or we face our very own extinction level event. Even EVs are not ideal, and are not a panacea on their own.
Have to agree. ICE will be priced off the roads as the government forces car sales down a non ICE route. As soon as the major manufacturers get an efficient profitable EV system in place for their chassis they will be switching over, lets face it your typical PH'er is only making up 5% of the population, the majority are happy to trundle around in soulless EVs to get from A to B which suits any company selling an EV.

And yes, Lithium production is not simple and uses a tonne of energy. It all starts from the windfarms/solar/hydro, to the material production, to car production, to battery production, to disposal of batteries etc. Clean cars are not simply pointing at an exhaust then at the back of an EV and saying 'look there you go'

anonymous-user

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53 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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gottans said:
I think the dip was also in other markets and was due to I believe Tesla making a lot of deliveries and then nothing, could be similar effect in the UK but co-incedental to removal of subsidies.
Nothing to do with Tesla. BEV orders are actually way up this year. It's hybrids that are falling.

WonkeyDonkey

2,333 posts

102 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Weren't a lot of the hybrids from the German manufacturer just a company car tax dodge?

Dont think I knew anyone who ever plugged in their 330e!

kambites

67,462 posts

220 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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EV sales rose 60%. It's hybrids which fell. Unsurprisingly given the removal of the plugin grant.

jay2000

119 posts

100 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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kambites said:
EV sales rose 60%. It's hybrids which fell. Unsurprisingly given the removal of the plugin grant.
Exactly. Op needs to change the clickbait thread title

coldel

7,733 posts

145 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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It's ok everyone, nothing to see here, go home.

sjg

7,444 posts

264 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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WonkeyDonkey said:
Weren't a lot of the hybrids from the German manufacturer just a company car tax dodge?

Dont think I knew anyone who ever plugged in their 330e!
WLTP testing issues really kicked in late last year too. Lots opted to kill off models that were going to get replaced in the short or medium term rather than get them through certification.

Witchfinder

6,250 posts

251 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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This will start to change soon anyway as EU legislation starts to bite. The dimwits who designed the legislation set the manufacturer specific targets based on vehicle mass and current emissions, giving manufacturers an incentive to perform worse before the 2021 targets kick in.

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

236 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Hybrids are just a stop gap to BEVs, so it seems less people want to buy them and would rather buy BEVs.

Also, Tesla figures don't count in this survey as they are not a member of the SMMT. If they did, it would look even better for BEVs.

All in all it's a non-story using incomplete data but if it pushes the Government to introduce more incentives for BEVs that can't be a bad thing if you believe the future is electric.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

109 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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sjg said:
Well that's one way to put it, and rather different to my take.

Proper battery EV sales for June are up over 60% on June last year, now past 1% market share (was 0.6% a year ago), and that's despite very limited supply, popular models like the Leaf and Zoe about to get updates, and only a few hundred Model 3s registered before the end of the month.

PHEV is just about halved, again mostly supply related. Things like the Golf and Passat GTEs were available a year ago, now they're not (new Passat is coming). 3 series is refreshed and new 330e not available till next month. i3 went from mostly REX sales to a larger capacity battery-only version. Mercedes were doing plug-in hybrid C E and S class a year ago, now they're not and replacements not here yet. Ioniq is due a refresh, as is the Outlander.

The car sites have "best plug in hybrids 2019" type articles up and you literally can't buy half of them. Much of the market is premium SUVs to dodge things like ULEZ.

SMMT break down figures for non-plug-in hybrids - HEV (like the Prius) and MHEV (the mild 48v hybrids). Add them together and we've gone from 9675 to 10350.

All together, BEV, PHEV, HEV, MHEV have gone from 6.6% of the market to 6.7%.

figures here: https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrati...

Edited by sjg on Thursday 4th July 12:49


Edited by sjg on Thursday 4th July 12:56
Way better summary than clickbaity headlines written by, and jumped on by, EV-sceptics.

Plus what FurtiveFreddy says above!