EV sales in UK fall for 1st time

EV sales in UK fall for 1st time

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Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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bigdog3 said:
V10 SPM said:
The battery was invented by Alessandro Volta in 1800. It's taken 219 years of development to reach where we are today, indicating that battery technology has encountered big challenges along the way. Expecting those to be resolved in the next few years is ambitious to say the least.
thumbuprofl
The wheel was invented about 10,000 BC

Its been improved somewhat since Mr F Flintstone had them made out of stone.

Still a good idea thou

BEVs work for most people now, the biggest hurdles for ownership are those doing over 250 miles a day (not many people) and those who have to park on public roads and have no access to a charger (a big problem for a lot of people). Lower income users will get picked up as the market develops a comparable second hand market to ICE cars over the next 5 years



Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Saturday 10th August 10:51

HTP99

22,441 posts

139 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Welshbeef said:
HTP99 said:
I would argue that an electric car isn't right for her currently; I sell EV's and given the current infrastructure when it comes to charging, if someone came in to me to look at a ZOE and they had a 200 mile round trip daily commute and didnt have a guaranteed charging point at their destination I would seriously question whether at this stage of EV development and the current charging infrastructure whether the car was right for her.
Doesn’t the new VW ID3 62kwh has 360odd Miles meet the requirement?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.carmagazine.co....

I’m not ready for silence when driving no gears - E63S instead yes please or C63 or anything brum brum
Ok to be more specific, the electric car that she has.

Quite a few people that I deal with haven't really a clue; some are very switched on and know exactly what electric cars are all about, many don't and you can see that they could end up buying something that isn't suitable as the advice given by the salesman is poor as they just wanted the sale.

When ZOE first came out a salesman from another branch blatantly lied to someone re the range and we ended up having to buy it back at a vast loss; the salesman concerned was long gone by then.

People who don't know the ins and outs of electric; the realistic range, charging them, different connectors (however it seems the Type 2 is becoming the standard now), who owns what public charging point, differing rates of charge resulting in differing charge times, how to pay for charging..... etc, need to be educated and advised properly and you get the feeling that some EV suppliers aren't doing this.

I've had people say to me; after I've explained a few thing "oh the Nissan dealer didn't say that", or similar, I had one woman on the phone thank me for asking so many probing questions as to her usage and how she was going to charge the car as she didn't have off street parking, she said that I was the only person who'd asked her about how she was going to use and charge the car.





Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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HTP99 said:
Quite a few people that I deal with haven't really a clue
My friend can not get into his head the concept that every time i jump in my car (if it ever comes) in the morning i will have 320 mile range, each and every day. 40 years of driving brim full to empty has engrained his notion of range into him. 'My OH needs to go to shows every weekend and they have no charging points in fields' how far away are they '30-75 miles' /facepalm






Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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HTP99 said:
different connectors (however it seems the Type 2 is becoming the standard now)
I believe type 2 CCS is the EU standard and Tesla where a big part of the consultation process

Evanivitch

19,802 posts

121 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Welshbeef said:
How many EV owners were stranded yesterday with the national grid out of action???
none, they have batteries, and when i get my solar array and power wall i believe i can use the car to power the house as well biggrin

how many people where stranded by the petrol tanker strikes?
You'll need a Leaf 2 and V2G charger to.be able to power the house from car. You'll also need a Gateway 2 for the powerwall.

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Evanivitch said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
Welshbeef said:
How many EV owners were stranded yesterday with the national grid out of action???
none, they have batteries, and when i get my solar array and power wall i believe i can use the car to power the house as well biggrin

how many people where stranded by the petrol tanker strikes?
You'll need a Leaf 2 and V2G charger to.be able to power the house from car. You'll also need a Gateway 2 for the powerwall.
its still early days, and this is an area for a lot of development, will become more common if political plans to use plugged in EVs to make up capacity during peak demand

T-195

2,671 posts

60 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Evanivitch said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
Welshbeef said:
How many EV owners were stranded yesterday with the national grid out of action???
none, they have batteries, and when i get my solar array and power wall i believe i can use the car to power the house as well biggrin

how many people where stranded by the petrol tanker strikes?
You'll need a Leaf 2 and V2G charger to.be able to power the house from car. You'll also need a Gateway 2 for the powerwall.
its still early days, and this is an area for a lot of development, will become more common if political plans to use plugged in EVs to make up capacity during peak demand
EV fan as well informed as ever.

If you want one by one. Stop banging on about how great they are, and remember that home charging just isn't an option for millions of people in the UK. And never will be unless we knock down large swathes of London for one.

Evanivitch

19,802 posts

121 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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T-195 said:
EV fan as well informed as ever.

If you want one by one. Stop banging on about how great they are, and remember that home charging just isn't an option for millions of people in the UK. And never will be unless we knock down large swathes of London for one.
But rapid charging at supermarkets, gyms and restaurants is a reality today.

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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T-195 said:
EV fan as well informed as ever.

If you want one by one. Stop banging on about how great they are, and remember that home charging just isn't an option for millions of people in the UK. And never will be unless we knock down large swathes of London for one.
your times up, embrace the future biggrin

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Welshbeef said:
How many EV owners were stranded yesterday with the national grid out of action???
none, they have batteries, and when i get my solar array and power wall i believe i can use the car to power the house as well biggrin

how many people where stranded by the petrol tanker strikes?
No EV owners were stranded yesterday ? Even with the national grid down.

I’d wager at least ONE would have been

kambites

67,460 posts

220 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Welshbeef said:
No EV owners were stranded yesterday ? Even with the national grid down.

I’d wager at least ONE would have been
Well given that without power, petrol pumps won't work, I'm guessing more ICE cars were stranded than EVs.

bigdog3

1,823 posts

179 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Evanivitch said:
T-195 said:
EV fan as well informed as ever.

If you want one by one. Stop banging on about how great they are, and remember that home charging just isn't an option for millions of people in the UK. And never will be unless we knock down large swathes of London for one.
But rapid charging at supermarkets, gyms and restaurants is a reality today.
Regardless not being able to change your BEV overnight at home is a major drawback. Serious conflict when BEVs are so well suited to the London environment scratchchin

Evanivitch

19,802 posts

121 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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bigdog3 said:
Evanivitch said:
T-195 said:
EV fan as well informed as ever.

If you want one by one. Stop banging on about how great they are, and remember that home charging just isn't an option for millions of people in the UK. And never will be unless we knock down large swathes of London for one.
But rapid charging at supermarkets, gyms and restaurants is a reality today.
Regardless not being able to change your BEV overnight at home is a major drawback. Serious conflict when BEVs are so well suited to the London environment scratchchin
It's not regardless at all. You can get a 100 mile charge whilst at the gym, restaurant or supermarket. As chargers and cars improve that'll easily be 200 miles. The average user, especially urban user, does less than that a week.

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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bigdog3 said:
Regardless not being able to change your BEV overnight at home is a major drawback. Serious conflict when BEVs are so well suited to the London environment scratchchin
i would say this is the biggest problem

as much as i dislike Khan he is making the right noises and has just launched his plan to tackle the problem, will be interesting to see if he delivers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDsUlpeSM


bigdog3

1,823 posts

179 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
as much as i dislike Khan he is making the right noises and has just launched his plan to tackle the problem, will be interesting to see if he delivers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDsUlpeSM
That LEVC taxi based van looks promising. Interesting that it's still a series hybrid and can only manage 80 miles on battery power alone scratchchin

https://www.drivingelectric.com/news/1126/levc-unv...


kambites

67,460 posts

220 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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bigdog3 said:
That LEVC taxi based van looks promising. Interesting that it's still a series hybrid and can only manage 80 miles on battery power alone scratchchin

https://www.drivingelectric.com/news/1126/levc-unv...
I guess that's enough for a typical delivery van (which seems to be the market its aimed at). It can drive from the out-of-town depot to the outskirts of the city on ICE, then do its deliveries entirely on electric power, than if necessary swap back to ICE for the drive back to the depot, hence eliminating all of the tailpipe emissions from the city itself.

Or the driver can charge it while he's having lunch and hence do the whole day on electricity.

bigdog3

1,823 posts

179 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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kambites said:
I guess that's enough for a typical delivery van (which seems to be the market its aimed at). It can drive from the out-of-town depot to the outskirts of the city on ICE, then do its deliveries entirely on electric power, than if necessary swap back to ICE for the drive back to the depot, hence eliminating all of the tailpipe emissions from the city itself.

Or the driver can charge it while he's having lunch and hence do the whole day on electricity.
Agreed but even though the London Electric Vehicle Company has designed a taxi and light van specifically for use in London, battery power alone is insufficient for the regular customer doing 100 miles/day. Additional cost and complexity of a series hybrid powertrain were seen as unavoidable. I think that fact is rather telling scratchchin

kambites

67,460 posts

220 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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I don't think anyone is denying that sort form of range extension system has a valid place for some workloads at the moment.

bigdog3

1,823 posts

179 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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kambites said:
I don't think anyone is denying that sort form of range extension system has a valid place for some workloads at the moment.
For how long will that be the case ?

85Carrera

3,503 posts

236 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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kambites said:
Welshbeef said:
No EV owners were stranded yesterday ? Even with the national grid down.

I’d wager at least ONE would have been
Well given that without power, petrol pumps won't work, I'm guessing more ICE cars were stranded than EVs.
Good lord, the EV fanboys do spout some nonsense