Porsche Taycan
Discussion
gangzoom said:
Actually what it confirms is Tesla have figured out how to game the EPA system. The P Model S has now an EPA rated range of over 350 miles, but real life range at 75mph is sub 250 miles.
Tesla have done to the EPA EV rating system what VAG did with emissions testing. The apprentice has overtaken the grandmaster.
That's unnecessary hyperbolic. In the recent Carwow where they did the big test, tesla did no worse than the others relative to the rated miles. Only outlier was the Kia iirc, that did almost it's rating. Everyone else was around 80% off the sticker range.Tesla have done to the EPA EV rating system what VAG did with emissions testing. The apprentice has overtaken the grandmaster.
https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/ultimate-electric-ca...
It's similar to a car claiming 5L/100km actually doing 6L.
The high speed test was favorable for the Taycan and less so for the Tesla, I'm pretty sure it's an easy feat to do the reverse (EG city traffic?).
Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 19th February 18:20
gangzoom said:
Actually what it confirms is Tesla have figured out how to game the EPA system. The P Model S has now an EPA rated range of over 350 miles, but real life range at 75mph is sub 250 miles.
Tesla have done to the EPA EV rating system what VAG did with emissions testing. The apprentice has overtaken the grandmaster.
As the EPA rating isn't based on range at 75mph why would anyone expect it to hit that number? Tesla have done to the EPA EV rating system what VAG did with emissions testing. The apprentice has overtaken the grandmaster.
Did anyone buy an ICE car and expect it to get manufacturers mpg at 75mph?
Gandahar said:
It will be interesting to see the dragtimes head to head when it is released , should be soon.
I hope they'll be testing the Model S Performance against the Taycan 4S due to the similar price point? Already find all of the comparisons being made between a large 5 seat executive saloon and a 2+2 GT a bit silly but comparing the £92k MSP with the £140k Turbo S would seem even more pointless?Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 19th February 19:36
t.In all fairness, when was the last time that anyone averaged 75mph in the U.K.? Mostly the average (for me, certainly) seems to be 5x mph. And I tend to set cruise at 80, so that suggests a lot of my driving is at 30/40 mph, maybe 50. I think the lower speeds will suit the single-gear Tesla, rather than the two-speed Taycan.
Pulse00 said:
Can't we just be grateful that finally Tesla have some competition and appreciate that both cars are awesome!?
Totally agree that both cars are awesome. I think the competition thing is being massively overplayed by the press though at the moment.The EV Macan vs the Model Y will be where it gets really interesting.
MrOrange said:
Polestar 2?
Not available yet and likely to be a very niche product compared to the Model 3?Like above when the BMW i4 arrives it'll get much more interesting.
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 19th February 22:25
SWoll said:
Pulse00 said:
Can't we just be grateful that finally Tesla have some competition and appreciate that both cars are awesome!?
Totally agree that both cars are awesome. I think the competition thing is being massively overplayed by the press though at the moment.The EV Macan vs the Model Y will be where it gets really interesting.
MrOrange said:
Polestar 2?
Not available yet and likely to be a very niche product compared to the Model 3?Like above when the BMW i4 arrives it'll get much more interesting.
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 19th February 22:25
Some exciting times ahead.
Doing the numbers for some big car companies, I'm curious to see how they are going to make it work financially...
ZesPak said:
Looking at specs and price, it seems to be a three way battle between Model Y, Mach E and Polestar. Hadn't considered the Macan yet.
IMO the electric XC40 and the polestar SUV will be the other ones, the polestar 2 not so much. Assume the maccan will have the taycan ppe platform used?
RobDickinson said:
IMO the electric XC40 and the polestar SUV will be the other ones, the polestar 2 not so much.
Assume the maccan will have the taycan ppe platform used?
Ok, Polestar SUV? I guess it’s coming, will be a “taller” 2 with a £5k premium? Will the world’s facination with SUVs make the premium worth it (better residuals, lower PCP monthlies - but less range?).Assume the maccan will have the taycan ppe platform used?
MrOrange said:
Ok, Polestar SUV? I guess it’s coming, will be a “taller” 2 with a £5k premium? Will the world’s facination with SUVs make the premium worth it (better residuals, lower PCP monthlies - but less range?).
Polestar 3, a coupe SUV :/https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/polestar-3-coup...
I think the taycan will sell about as OK as an expensive 4 seater panamera thing is expected too, certainly not in the 20,000 pa they initially said
RobDickinson said:
Polestar 3, a coupe SUV :/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/polestar-3-coup...
I think the taycan will sell about as OK as an expensive 4 seater panamera thing is expected too, certainly not in the 20,000 pa they initially said
According to this report Porsche are doubling production to 40k a year given demand for the car.https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/polestar-3-coup...
I think the taycan will sell about as OK as an expensive 4 seater panamera thing is expected too, certainly not in the 20,000 pa they initially said
https://thedriven.io/2019/07/31/porsche-taycan-pre...
RobDickinson said:
MrOrange said:
Ok, Polestar SUV? I guess it’s coming, will be a “taller” 2 with a £5k premium? Will the world’s facination with SUVs make the premium worth it (better residuals, lower PCP monthlies - but less range?).
Polestar 3, a coupe SUV :/https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/polestar-3-coup...
I think the taycan will sell about as OK as an expensive 4 seater panamera thing is expected too, certainly not in the 20,000 pa they initially said
Had it been the Polestar 3 being released this year I could see it having a much bigger affect on Model 3 sales with the general popularity of SUV's and possibly stolen a march on the Model Y?
coetzeeh said:
RobDickinson said:
Polestar 3, a coupe SUV :/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/polestar-3-coup...
I think the taycan will sell about as OK as an expensive 4 seater panamera thing is expected too, certainly not in the 20,000 pa they initially said
According to this report Porsche are doubling production to 40k a year given demand for the car.https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/polestar-3-coup...
I think the taycan will sell about as OK as an expensive 4 seater panamera thing is expected too, certainly not in the 20,000 pa they initially said
https://thedriven.io/2019/07/31/porsche-taycan-pre...
Porsche ranked no 1 brand in consumer reports, Tesla climbs to no 11.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-20...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-20...
RobDickinson said:
MrOrange said:
Ok, Polestar SUV? I guess it’s coming, will be a “taller” 2 with a £5k premium? Will the world’s facination with SUVs make the premium worth it (better residuals, lower PCP monthlies - but less range?).
Polestar 3, a coupe SUV :/https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/polestar-3-coup...
I think the taycan will sell about as OK as an expensive 4 seater panamera thing is expected too, certainly not in the 20,000 pa they initially said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvbi3ry3Vr8
Remind me when the last Porsche was a flop Rob?
When was the last Porsche that made no money and was a flop?
The model 3 might be a flop in 2020 when Y comes out
It's the same car but better .....And going back to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvbi3ry3Vr8
Saw this whilst watching the Tesla stock ticker ... same bloke
Apparently they are asking him what his outlook is for Tesla on that video.
I've not watched it but I guess it is like what Pooh Bears outlook on honey is.
Favourable.
Edited by Gandahar on Friday 21st February 19:44
RobDickinson said:
SWoll said:
The EV Macan vs the Model Y will be where it gets really interesting.
Agree, model Y will shake things up quite a bit.Model S vs Taycan isnt really a good comparison both are different classes of vehicle and wouldnt normally be compared.
And Model Y v VW Id3 /4 for people not tied to the Elonosphere.
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