BBC "Should I ..." EV Car article
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broken link is here
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-eas...
I am interested to see what the thoughts are, inside an EV section of a petrolheads forum!
I no longer live in the UK and have never had a EV car, so maybe its not surprising I picked the article to bits - but before I put forward my argument(s) is this (the article) the general way of thinking now? are EV's a consideration for most part?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-eas...
I am interested to see what the thoughts are, inside an EV section of a petrolheads forum!
I no longer live in the UK and have never had a EV car, so maybe its not surprising I picked the article to bits - but before I put forward my argument(s) is this (the article) the general way of thinking now? are EV's a consideration for most part?
Terrible article
However a good number of people on here have EVs and a few more have them on order incl me
Tesla has smashed any notion that EVs are slow and the model 3 is a decent modern drivers car, some M3P drivers in the US have clocked sub 10.6 second qtrs which is not that far off the 10.2 seconds autocar recorded for the utterly insane mclaren 720s at nearly 1/5th of the price
the taycan potentially could be a superb drivers car so there should be a future for those that enjoy driving in th EV world
The instant delivery of buckets of torque can be quite addictive
Technically EVs are viable for a lot of people at the moment and there are some good ones about for low £20k like the new Zoe, the biggest hurdle will be for people who have nowhere to fit a charging point
However a good number of people on here have EVs and a few more have them on order incl me
Tesla has smashed any notion that EVs are slow and the model 3 is a decent modern drivers car, some M3P drivers in the US have clocked sub 10.6 second qtrs which is not that far off the 10.2 seconds autocar recorded for the utterly insane mclaren 720s at nearly 1/5th of the price
the taycan potentially could be a superb drivers car so there should be a future for those that enjoy driving in th EV world
The instant delivery of buckets of torque can be quite addictive
Technically EVs are viable for a lot of people at the moment and there are some good ones about for low £20k like the new Zoe, the biggest hurdle will be for people who have nowhere to fit a charging point
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Saturday 17th August 06:17
Interesting article but pretty typical of most, who try to dumb everything down for Joe public; who still don't have a clue (generally).
I think part of the problem is a real lack of advertising/information and a bucket load of drivel spouted by the likes of Top Gear etc. who have made a career out of slagging them off.
In the UK we have the EV Experience Centre and they will hire a range of EV's for people to tryout with no obligation to purchase (they don't sell cars anyway). This is possibly the best way to find out if an EV would suit and their knowledge good enough to clear up and questions/misconceptions etc.
Sure, not everyone can feasibly make the change now but many could quite easily and many others could learn to adapt.
Sadly many of these articles just seem to focus on the negatives like cost but then completely neglect that they cost pittance to run, which completely offsets the initial cost.
Then there's the range nonsense, like mpg is a unwavering constant that isn't affected by driving style or temperature.
Sadly, until a journalist writes a 100% unbiased and informative article the public will remain largely clueless.
I think part of the problem is a real lack of advertising/information and a bucket load of drivel spouted by the likes of Top Gear etc. who have made a career out of slagging them off.
In the UK we have the EV Experience Centre and they will hire a range of EV's for people to tryout with no obligation to purchase (they don't sell cars anyway). This is possibly the best way to find out if an EV would suit and their knowledge good enough to clear up and questions/misconceptions etc.
Sure, not everyone can feasibly make the change now but many could quite easily and many others could learn to adapt.
Sadly many of these articles just seem to focus on the negatives like cost but then completely neglect that they cost pittance to run, which completely offsets the initial cost.
Then there's the range nonsense, like mpg is a unwavering constant that isn't affected by driving style or temperature.
Sadly, until a journalist writes a 100% unbiased and informative article the public will remain largely clueless.
Dave Hedgehog said:
Different rules in jockland? Sign me up the 35k interest free loan they get
Doesn't seem to be the case:https://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/scotland/gran...
http://www.greenerscotland.org/greener-travel/gree...
Even if you paid the whole amount yourself, you're looking at around £1000 maximum.
I am not here or there with EVs.
For everyday short commute in town/mixed they have their uses. The driving experience is probably ok with the instant torque.
For performance, spirited driving I prefer the more traditional setup of a petrol engine. I do not care on 0-60 times or quarter mile runs because my sense of enjoyment is not a drag race or the traffic light Grand Prix.
Give me a remote deserted twisted road and I would just enjoy it within the limits of physics and not trying to kill my self. More extreme we are lucky we can always go to the track.
I would consider any car due to its driving merits, more interested in chassis performance that can be exploited at slower/road speeds than hyper engine that can be let loose on the public roads. Sorry off topic rant...
For everyday short commute in town/mixed they have their uses. The driving experience is probably ok with the instant torque.
For performance, spirited driving I prefer the more traditional setup of a petrol engine. I do not care on 0-60 times or quarter mile runs because my sense of enjoyment is not a drag race or the traffic light Grand Prix.
Give me a remote deserted twisted road and I would just enjoy it within the limits of physics and not trying to kill my self. More extreme we are lucky we can always go to the track.
I would consider any car due to its driving merits, more interested in chassis performance that can be exploited at slower/road speeds than hyper engine that can be let loose on the public roads. Sorry off topic rant...
Teslas 3rd generation ev is already faster cheaper and safer than the industry best from BMW etc. They've been making cars for less than 15 years.
There's nothing preventing others going the same, polestar 2 will be very similar next year.
And they do this with no emissions and using about an eighth of the energy and with a handful of moving parts.
The petrol engine (and diesel) is doomed.
There's nothing preventing others going the same, polestar 2 will be very similar next year.
And they do this with no emissions and using about an eighth of the energy and with a handful of moving parts.
The petrol engine (and diesel) is doomed.
Maybe if people stopped being misleading and dishonest about current EVs, from almost every aspect, there’d be better understanding and trust from the population at large.
Promotion by irrelevant statistics and quite erroneous ‘man-maths’ is one of the biggest factors preventing real volume sales, IMO.
This thread’s a good example.
Promotion by irrelevant statistics and quite erroneous ‘man-maths’ is one of the biggest factors preventing real volume sales, IMO.
This thread’s a good example.
Witchfinder said:
£1500 to install a home charger? Where did she get that from? Pick a cheaper charger and it's free with the OLEV grant.
It's blatantly wrong, I've sent them a complaint. Bloody BBC. Completely useless.
My Andersen was about £1000 and that's at the top end of chargers, along with the BMW ones.It's blatantly wrong, I've sent them a complaint. Bloody BBC. Completely useless.
Edited by Witchfinder on Saturday 17th August 07:47
£1500 is insane when most I see are about £150 with the grant, which is open to just about everyone.
REALIST123 said:
Maybe if people stopped being misleading and dishonest about current EVs, from almost every aspect, there’d be better understanding and trust from the population at large.
Promotion by irrelevant statistics and quite erroneous ‘man-maths’ is one of the biggest factors preventing real volume sales, IMO.
This thread’s a good example.
I would say the biggest problem is supply Promotion by irrelevant statistics and quite erroneous ‘man-maths’ is one of the biggest factors preventing real volume sales, IMO.
This thread’s a good example.
There so hard to get hold of, Hyundai and Kia sold 18 months supply in a week, Hyundai now have 4K deposits, MG sold there first 1000 EVs in like a day, Porsche setup the taycan production for 10k units a year, a couple of weeks ago they had 30k deposits and the car hasn't even officially launched yet. Even Tesla banging out model 3s using nothing more than chimps, wood glue and packing tape can’t give you a fixed date...
Except the iPace, there’s 6 months unsold stock in the uk and around 600 on the uk stock list and dealer demos unsold
SOL111 said:
My Andersen was about £1000 and that's at the top end of chargers, along with the BMW ones.
£1500 is insane when most I see are about £150 with the grant, which is open to just about everyone.
Does depend on the installation mine cost £700 after rebate as I needed a post and they had to lift blocks and lay cables £1500 is insane when most I see are about £150 with the grant, which is open to just about everyone.
RobDickinson said:
Teslas 3rd generation ev is already faster cheaper and safer than the industry best from BMW etc. They've been making cars for less than 15 years.
There's nothing preventing others going the same, polestar 2 will be very similar next year.
And they do this with no emissions and using about an eighth of the energy and with a handful of moving parts.
The petrol engine (and diesel) is doomed.
Well, we do still have to address the looming environmental disaster in the developing world as we exploit their resources and people so we can have cleaner cities. There's nothing preventing others going the same, polestar 2 will be very similar next year.
And they do this with no emissions and using about an eighth of the energy and with a handful of moving parts.
The petrol engine (and diesel) is doomed.
RobDickinson said:
Poppiecock said:
Well, we do still have to address the looming environmental disaster in the developing world as we exploit their resources and people so we can have cleaner cities.
Yeah because oil exploitation isn't causing any problems... One thing oil exploration isn't doing is exploiting children to extract the raw material. It's not causing birth defects and cancers in people working in the mines.
BEVs will have their very own 'dieselgate' once they become more prolific and people wake up to the damage they're doing.
You know most of that goes into phone batteries? That it's a tiny fraction of any mining, and that western ev companies are using certified materials and reducing reliance on cobalt etc?
Pisses me off when idiots like you talk about child labour and battery recycling whilst throwing away a phone every couple of years without a thought.
Pisses me off when idiots like you talk about child labour and battery recycling whilst throwing away a phone every couple of years without a thought.
qube_TA said:
Test drove a Jag I-Pace today, thought it was killer TBH.
Debating whether to take the plunge, very tempted.
I'm sitting here pondering the same - have driven one on a jaguar customer day, already a jaguar owner XE-S and thinking why wouldnt I, especially if the deal is there...Debating whether to take the plunge, very tempted.
The one thing causing me concern is range anxiety - cold weather and compounded by the fact Tesla have reduced the maximum charge on some of their older cars, what is to stop this happening to any car. Most of my journeys could be handled from home charging on a 200+ mile range with about half a dozen or so a year where I would need to top up on the way/way back. So the I-Pace woudl fit - and I like the jag interiors.
Need to find some time to drop into a local dealer and see what they can do.
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