Test drove an iPace and a Tesla S

[anonymous-user]

Lt. Coulomb said:

No cult around the brand

The brainwashing is pretty strong. I mean "zero charging infrastructure" as if there aren't bigger and better networks all over Europe, especially in the UK.

[bad company]

Zcd1 said:

Jaguar's reputation of being unreliable
Too expensive
Zero charging infrastructure
Slow charging speed

1. Are Jaguar’s actually unreliable? https://www.osv.ltd.uk/how-reliable-are-jaguar/
2. Agree it’s expensive, not sure what discount I can negotiate. Any clues here?
3. They can be charged at most charging stations. Only Tesla has it’s own infrastructure.
4. Really. Compared to other electric cars?

[Zcd1]

bad company said:

1. Are Jaguar’s actually unreliable?
4. Really. Compared to other electric cars?

1: Jaguar's reliability stats in the US aren't good at all.

4: Slow charging - yep, as shown in this chart:


Also, the Teslas now charge even faster than shown in this chart, increasing their advantage over the competition. That's not "cult" - that's fact.

Edited by Zcd1 on Thursday 5th December 17:40

[RichardM5]

Zcd1 said:

Also, the Teslas now charge even faster than shown in this chart, increasing their advantage over the competition. That's not "cult" - that's fact.

Just a little



But you only get this rate from about 10% to 15% charge, then it decreases pretty linearly to 50kw (200 mph) by 80% charge..

[jamoor]

Zcd1 said:

bad company said:

1. Are Jaguar’s actually unreliable?
4. Really. Compared to other electric cars?

1: Jaguar's reliability stats in the US aren't good at all.

4: Slow charging - yep, as shown in this chart:


Also, the Teslas now charge even faster than shown in this chart, increasing their advantage over the competition. That's not "cult" - that's fact.

Edited by Zcd1 on Thursday 5th December 17:40

That chart is for AC only. What about DC?

[JonnyVTEC]

Zcd1 said:

1: Jaguar's reliability stats in the US aren't good at all.

4: Slow charging - yep, as shown in this chart:


Also, the Teslas now charge even faster than shown in this chart, increasing their advantage over the competition. That's not "cult" - that's fact.

Edited by Zcd1 on Thursday 5th December 17:40

That graph is for AC charging? What’s that got to do with anything!

[Zcd1]

jamoor said:

That chart is for AC only. What about DC?

The majority of typical EV charging is done at home, on AC power.

That said:



So, yeah, slow charging, particularly at the price.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the i-Pace, but its built-in charging capabilities aren't market-competitive.

[RobDickinson]

100kw charging is fast enough tbh, iPace's weakness is poor aero at highway speeds

They've just unlocked (will be OTA?) 8% more range which should help

[Zcd1]

RobDickinson said:

100kw charging is fast enough tbh, iPace's weakness is poor aero at highway speeds

They've just unlocked (will be OTA?) 8% more range which should help

Extra range will help for sure (and is needed to keep it in the game)

Home charging is slow enough as to be really inconvenient, and even DC charging will take quite a bit of extra time compared to Audi/Porsche/Tesla.

IMO, charging performance is a key reason for the i-Pace's dismal US sales results.

Edited by Zcd1 on Thursday 5th December 19:37

[RobDickinson]

USA doesnt yet have a good non tesla charging network and the electrify america stuff is expensive. Plus the distances are huge...

I though the jag had 7kw AC charging? Thats ok, could be better but its enough for most real use

[bad company]

RobDickinson said:

USA doesnt yet have a good non tesla charging network and the electrify america stuff is expensive. Plus the distances are huge...

I though the jag had 7kw AC charging? Thats ok, could be better but its enough for most real use

The Jaguar salesman I’m dealing with recommended I bought a 7kw charger.

[RobDickinson]

bad company said:

RobDickinson said:

USA doesnt yet have a good non tesla charging network and the electrify america stuff is expensive. Plus the distances are huge...

I though the jag had 7kw AC charging? Thats ok, could be better but its enough for most real use

The Jaguar salesman I’m dealing with recommended I bought a 7kw charger.

Ype they would.. its the fastest most homes can usually charge an ev (on single phase) teslas can do 11 or 16 (some 22kw), Zoe (which kinda only AC charges) can do 22 or up to 44kw

But 7kw will fill an empty iPace in 13-14 hours, this could be too slow for some but for most its fine.

[bad company]

I really liked the iPace though I did find it a bit big.

Tesla doesn’t work for me. I don’t like the interior, there’s no Apple CarPlay and I wouldn’t be able to specify a heated steering wheel which is important for me.

If I don’t buy the Jaguar which really comes down to how easily it goes into the garage it’ll be a petrol car again for me.

[RobDickinson]

X and S have heated wheels, the 3 doesnt sadly, should have a winter pack IMO which includes it plus a few other bits - the wheel itself is great.

iPace really isnt that big

[jamoor]

bad company said:

I really liked the iPace though I did find it a bit big.

Tesla doesn’t work for me. I don’t like the interior, there’s no Apple CarPlay and I wouldn’t be able to specify a heated steering wheel which is important for me.

If I don’t buy the Jaguar which really comes down to how easily it goes into the garage it’ll be a petrol car again for me.

What do you need a heated wheel for?

[bad company]

jamoor said:

bad company said:

I really liked the iPace though I did find it a bit big.

Tesla doesn’t work for me. I don’t like the interior, there’s no Apple CarPlay and I wouldn’t be able to specify a heated steering wheel which is important for me.

If I don’t buy the Jaguar which really comes down to how easily it goes into the garage it’ll be a petrol car again for me.

What do you need a heated wheel for?

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/raynauds/

[jamoor]

bad company said:

jamoor said:

bad company said:

I really liked the iPace though I did find it a bit big.

Tesla doesn’t work for me. I don’t like the interior, there’s no Apple CarPlay and I wouldn’t be able to specify a heated steering wheel which is important for me.

If I don’t buy the Jaguar which really comes down to how easily it goes into the garage it’ll be a petrol car again for me.

What do you need a heated wheel for?

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/raynauds/

Don't steering wheel trimmers somehow retrofit stuff like this? i know you can with heated seats.

[Blue Oval84]

RobDickinson said:

bad company said:

RobDickinson said:

USA doesnt yet have a good non tesla charging network and the electrify america stuff is expensive. Plus the distances are huge...

I though the jag had 7kw AC charging? Thats ok, could be better but its enough for most real use

The Jaguar salesman I’m dealing with recommended I bought a 7kw charger.

Ype they would.. its the fastest most homes can usually charge an ev (on single phase) teslas can do 11 or 16 (some 22kw), Zoe (which kinda only AC charges) can do 22 or up to 44kw

But 7kw will fill an empty iPace in 13-14 hours, this could be too slow for some but for most its fine.

You surely appreciate that for all intents and purposes in the UK the maximum home charge speed is 7KW? Therefore whether you drive an iPace or a Zoe, the AC charging speed is capped at 7KW for most.

3 Phase domestic supplies that would be required to charge faster are vanishingly rare, and even if you have one, the charging equipment to charge faster costs two or three times as much. It's a pretty rare use case to require rapid charging at home.

[RobDickinson]

Blue Oval84 said:

RobDickinson said:

bad company said:

RobDickinson said:

USA doesnt yet have a good non tesla charging network and the electrify america stuff is expensive. Plus the distances are huge...

I though the jag had 7kw AC charging? Thats ok, could be better but its enough for most real use

The Jaguar salesman I’m dealing with recommended I bought a 7kw charger.

Ype they would.. its the fastest most homes can usually charge an ev (on single phase) teslas can do 11 or 16 (some 22kw), Zoe (which kinda only AC charges) can do 22 or up to 44kw

But 7kw will fill an empty iPace in 13-14 hours, this could be too slow for some but for most its fine.

You surely appreciate that for all intents and purposes in the UK the maximum home charge speed is 7KW? Therefore whether you drive an iPace or a Zoe, the AC charging speed is capped at 7KW for most.

3 Phase domestic supplies that would be required to charge faster are vanishingly rare, and even if you have one, the charging equipment to charge faster costs two or three times as much. It's a pretty rare use case to require rapid charging at home.

uh yes thats why i mentioned it?

usually you are not in that much of a rush at home to charge

[Gregmitchell]

I have a 7kw charger at home for my ipace, the 220 miles i get are fine for day to day, but this is the game changer for me if i want to do a long journey next year and in the coming years it's going to make such a difference, others will have to follow suit.

https://ionity.eu/