Wow 3 years on we have a range of electric cars to pick from
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Question for all you wonderful people.
I have a MY17 i3 rex and other than the small frustration on the connect app and the lack of android Auto I have loved driving it. Yes it has cost warranty wise over 6k (electric motor and gearbox, new steering wheel and drivers seat cover) but I couldn't see myself going back to petrol unless it's a high powered unit.
It needs to go back in the next 6 months. Covering 70k miles thus far no warranty can be offered next March if I were to buy it out.
Unlike many I've used the REX (don't know by how much) but I do use it on a weekly basis (currently my commute is 120 miles round trip).
I've been fortunate by gaining access to the company car scheme. most of my colleagues take the money because either they're close to work or don't like the BIK on anything other than an electric car. Both these things don't apply to me.
So below are my options with the additional funds I'd need to pay each month (to be clear it's rental, full maintenance and insurance)
Obviously Tesla appeals as it's a larger battery and honestly it's a Tesla. But in base spec will it be rather.... basic? My drive into London is littered with well specd 3s so I haven't seen any on base spec wheel for example? Oh and the lease company can't guarantee when I'd get it and if I went for one and got bored waiting I'd be liable for the cancellation fee which is £1k.......... although they cited people who ordered then 6 months ago when books opened who now have them!
i3S appeals but it's only got 160 mile range (so I've read) and without the rex means I can't just drive anywhere knowing at least I'll be covered by petrol.
Pug looks cool, it's new (well hasnt been released) got loads of tech and has a larger battery but firm reviews suggests the ride is firm and I'd be committed to this car for 36 months......
So what would you guys pick?
I have a MY17 i3 rex and other than the small frustration on the connect app and the lack of android Auto I have loved driving it. Yes it has cost warranty wise over 6k (electric motor and gearbox, new steering wheel and drivers seat cover) but I couldn't see myself going back to petrol unless it's a high powered unit.
It needs to go back in the next 6 months. Covering 70k miles thus far no warranty can be offered next March if I were to buy it out.
Unlike many I've used the REX (don't know by how much) but I do use it on a weekly basis (currently my commute is 120 miles round trip).
I've been fortunate by gaining access to the company car scheme. most of my colleagues take the money because either they're close to work or don't like the BIK on anything other than an electric car. Both these things don't apply to me.
So below are my options with the additional funds I'd need to pay each month (to be clear it's rental, full maintenance and insurance)
- 1. i3s (same spec as mine so no sunroof, leather or radar but everything else) for £150 pm
- 2. Pug 208e in their launch top spec £240pm
- 3. Tesla Model 3 base spec for £275 pm
Obviously Tesla appeals as it's a larger battery and honestly it's a Tesla. But in base spec will it be rather.... basic? My drive into London is littered with well specd 3s so I haven't seen any on base spec wheel for example? Oh and the lease company can't guarantee when I'd get it and if I went for one and got bored waiting I'd be liable for the cancellation fee which is £1k.......... although they cited people who ordered then 6 months ago when books opened who now have them!
i3S appeals but it's only got 160 mile range (so I've read) and without the rex means I can't just drive anywhere knowing at least I'll be covered by petrol.
Pug looks cool, it's new (well hasnt been released) got loads of tech and has a larger battery but firm reviews suggests the ride is firm and I'd be committed to this car for 36 months......
So what would you guys pick?
Edited by CooperS on Saturday 5th October 07:06
Edited by CooperS on Saturday 5th October 07:10
I find myself starting to like the idea of an EV and I live in London, so would be perfect but most of us are not super rich so rent flats, or maybe own them or even a small house.
Have to park on the street, often quite far from our home. I did trip over a cable the other day. A length of 13amp running from one front door, down the pavement about 4 houses to a Mitsubishi.
There's a couple of charging points about 5 streets away and also the same street has a few more points in the bases of the lampposts.
I just see if, when there is a large movement over to EVs, there will be problems.
It's hard enough to find a parking space at the moment, let alone one near power.
Being in London range is not a problem yet EVs seem to be more prolific further out where people have drives but then range can be a problem.
Not sure what the answer is. I think those in charge would rather us city dwellers use the bus.
Have to park on the street, often quite far from our home. I did trip over a cable the other day. A length of 13amp running from one front door, down the pavement about 4 houses to a Mitsubishi.
There's a couple of charging points about 5 streets away and also the same street has a few more points in the bases of the lampposts.
I just see if, when there is a large movement over to EVs, there will be problems.
It's hard enough to find a parking space at the moment, let alone one near power.
Being in London range is not a problem yet EVs seem to be more prolific further out where people have drives but then range can be a problem.
Not sure what the answer is. I think those in charge would rather us city dwellers use the bus.
Our next cars will be EV.
Trouble is, now I’m doing some proper research, it’s seemingly a bit of a minefield!
First one will be the family, mainly local, runaround, so something non-Tesla is being considered.
Second one will be something for the longer journeys and needs to be a bit more fun (read faster!), so most likely to be a Tesla.
So it’s the first one that I think is going to be the challenge to get right. The only way to do it will be to go and try them all! And I’ll look forward to reading how others get on with their selections.
Trouble is, now I’m doing some proper research, it’s seemingly a bit of a minefield!
First one will be the family, mainly local, runaround, so something non-Tesla is being considered.
Second one will be something for the longer journeys and needs to be a bit more fun (read faster!), so most likely to be a Tesla.
So it’s the first one that I think is going to be the challenge to get right. The only way to do it will be to go and try them all! And I’ll look forward to reading how others get on with their selections.
manracer said:
I have a base spec model 3, but I'm not sure the words 'base spec' are really fitting imo, they do it an injustice.
Interesting. Is there anything you think in retrospect you should of added. Every option really hurts the monthlies so looking to keep the options low if any.The Tesla excites me it's just the unknown wait.
Going to see if they will give me an i3 as a interim..... lol
There are really few options on them though, the “premium interior” is another grand and gets you upgraded audio and connectivity. Other than that the full self drive stuff is still partially vapourware at this point and I can’t see it being worth six grand.
I know the longer range/faster ones get all the attention, but the standard model is all I’d ever actually need. Sub six seconds to 60 is not slow and 200 mile real world range is more than enough.
I know the longer range/faster ones get all the attention, but the standard model is all I’d ever actually need. Sub six seconds to 60 is not slow and 200 mile real world range is more than enough.
I'd look seriously at an i3 (non-s). We originally ordered the s, then switched to the base car to get all the options we wanted and stay under £40k (to get zero VED). It's quick enough and has significantly (20+ miles) more range than the s. We're getting 130-140 miles in town driving in London and over 170 miles in motorway use. We charge at home, so I can't comment on charging network availability, but it looks like there's some movement towards getting this sorted out over the next year or so.
Otherwise why not a base model 3 if you're happy that Tesla are going to survive (corporately speaking)? AIUI the main issue with Teslas at the moment is after-sales parts availability. There are a lot of horror stories about people waiting six months for parts (warranty and crash repair). I have to say I'd be looking seriously at a Model 3 LR if I were in the market right now.
Otherwise why not a base model 3 if you're happy that Tesla are going to survive (corporately speaking)? AIUI the main issue with Teslas at the moment is after-sales parts availability. There are a lot of horror stories about people waiting six months for parts (warranty and crash repair). I have to say I'd be looking seriously at a Model 3 LR if I were in the market right now.
964Cup said:
I'd look seriously at an i3 (non-s). We originally ordered the s, then switched to the base car to get all the options we wanted and stay under £40k (to get zero VED). It's quick enough and has significantly (20+ miles) more range than the s. We're getting 130-140 miles in town driving in London and over 170 miles in motorway use. We charge at home, so I can't comment on charging network availability, but it looks like there's some movement towards getting this sorted out over the next year or so.
Otherwise why not a base model 3 if you're happy that Tesla are going to survive (corporately speaking)? AIUI the main issue with Teslas at the moment is after-sales parts availability. There are a lot of horror stories about people waiting six months for parts (warranty and crash repair). I have to say I'd be looking seriously at a Model 3 LR if I were in the market right now.
Yes the thought of going non S did occur to me. Cheaper too.Otherwise why not a base model 3 if you're happy that Tesla are going to survive (corporately speaking)? AIUI the main issue with Teslas at the moment is after-sales parts availability. There are a lot of horror stories about people waiting six months for parts (warranty and crash repair). I have to say I'd be looking seriously at a Model 3 LR if I were in the market right now.
Although I don't know how you get more miles on a motorway than town driving lol .
In around town I get 4.5 but motorway at this time of year it's 3.8 kw per mile
I've ordered the MG ZS EV.
213 mile range in town, 163 at motorway max.
Delivery March 2020.
I got the extra discount, so top spec one only £24,600.
OK so it is a cross over SUV, it looks like all the other similar SUV's, It's Chinese & MG.
So what?? Engineered here in UK by the MG Development team.
I'm theoldman after all and it'll be the 2nd car.
1st car is currently a Supercharged Range Rover, so I can give a decent comparison, but I only did a 45 minute test drive.
It is more than acceptable, pulls like a train from zero, that was impressive.
Fully loaded, far too much in fact for me, I can keep a car in lane.
My RR has LPG and cost me approximately £13 a day commuting 30 miles each way to work and back.
I've calculated the same journey on NIGHT Charging rate, will cost 77pence.
Which brings me to the other aspect, why do so many people actually HATE EV's?
Actually had someone in a BMW cut me up while test driving!
Or was that just a normal BMW driver, or because the EV was Red?? haha!
213 mile range in town, 163 at motorway max.
Delivery March 2020.
I got the extra discount, so top spec one only £24,600.
OK so it is a cross over SUV, it looks like all the other similar SUV's, It's Chinese & MG.
So what?? Engineered here in UK by the MG Development team.
I'm theoldman after all and it'll be the 2nd car.
1st car is currently a Supercharged Range Rover, so I can give a decent comparison, but I only did a 45 minute test drive.
It is more than acceptable, pulls like a train from zero, that was impressive.
Fully loaded, far too much in fact for me, I can keep a car in lane.
My RR has LPG and cost me approximately £13 a day commuting 30 miles each way to work and back.
I've calculated the same journey on NIGHT Charging rate, will cost 77pence.
Which brings me to the other aspect, why do so many people actually HATE EV's?
Actually had someone in a BMW cut me up while test driving!
Or was that just a normal BMW driver, or because the EV was Red?? haha!
CooperS said:
Yes the thought of going non S did occur to me. Cheaper too.
Although I don't know how you get more miles on a motorway than town driving lol .
In around town I get 4.5 but motorway at this time of year it's 3.8 kw per mile
I think it's a) living in a hilly part of London and b) endless stop-start traffic. It surprised me, too. This is based on displayed range, by the way, not driving it until it's flat.Although I don't know how you get more miles on a motorway than town driving lol .
In around town I get 4.5 but motorway at this time of year it's 3.8 kw per mile
CooperS said:
manracer said:
I have a base spec model 3, but I'm not sure the words 'base spec' are really fitting imo, they do it an injustice.
Interesting. Is there anything you think in retrospect you should of added. Every option really hurts the monthlies so looking to keep the options low if any.The Tesla excites me it's just the unknown wait.
Going to see if they will give me an i3 as a interim..... lol
It's interesting how people still say that the premium connectivity is missing from SR+, but after latest update, is it?
Standard audio is good enough, much better than standard options in Merc, Audi, BMW etc, I just want premium audio as I like my music to really thump.
My choices would be for the companies that have a lot of experience with EVs with lots of road use and development
So the model 3 and Renault Zoe, the mini should be a good choice if it does have the i3 motor and power system
I would avoid the leaf thou as it has no battery thermal management and seams to have had minimal development over the last 10 years due to nissans lack of money
So the model 3 and Renault Zoe, the mini should be a good choice if it does have the i3 motor and power system
I would avoid the leaf thou as it has no battery thermal management and seams to have had minimal development over the last 10 years due to nissans lack of money
We are planning to replace our 2017 Mini convertible with the electric equivalent when it becomes available for my wife to use. She never does more than 50 miles in a day, we once took this car to the seaside which was only 120 miles. I understand the Mini will have an updated version of the i3 drivetrain, so should be OK, being a relatively new adopter getting left behind is a concern, so it will be a PCP or lease for me.
OP - is that a salary sacrifice scheme like Tusker that you're getting the prices from? They're very competitive.
We're getting that at my work in a couple of months, been told that a Tesla M3 SR will be about £290 per month, but that won't do for me as I need long range.
If yours is the Tusker scheme, any chance you could tell me current rates on an M3 Long Range with an allowance of at least 15K please?
We're getting that at my work in a couple of months, been told that a Tesla M3 SR will be about £290 per month, but that won't do for me as I need long range.
If yours is the Tusker scheme, any chance you could tell me current rates on an M3 Long Range with an allowance of at least 15K please?
Blue Oval84 said:
OP - is that a salary sacrifice scheme like Tusker that you're getting the prices from? They're very competitive.
We're getting that at my work in a couple of months, been told that a Tesla M3 SR will be about £290 per month, but that won't do for me as I need long range.
If yours is the Tusker scheme, any chance you could tell me current rates on an M3 Long Range with an allowance of at least 15K please?
Its not, ours is through Arval and I only get c.7k (I must try harder!)We're getting that at my work in a couple of months, been told that a Tesla M3 SR will be about £290 per month, but that won't do for me as I need long range.
If yours is the Tusker scheme, any chance you could tell me current rates on an M3 Long Range with an allowance of at least 15K please?
The steps are £238, £380 £460 (I think - i'll check and update). I presume its a salary sacrifice scheme and it does appear on certain models it is very competitive.
Dave Hedgehog said:
My choices would be for the companies that have a lot of experience with EVs with lots of road use and development
So the model 3 and Renault Zoe, the mini should be a good choice if it does have the i3 motor and power system
I would avoid the leaf thou as it has no battery thermal management and seams to have had minimal development over the last 10 years due to nissans lack of money
Other than moving steadily from 24kwh to 60kwh capacity?So the model 3 and Renault Zoe, the mini should be a good choice if it does have the i3 motor and power system
I would avoid the leaf thou as it has no battery thermal management and seams to have had minimal development over the last 10 years due to nissans lack of money
ElectricSoup said:
Other than moving steadily from 24kwh to 60kwh capacity?
which has taken the price of a top spec car to over 39k directly competing against the model 3, e-nero etc.and it still has no thermal management which has caused poor battery life for a lot of older owners and looking at a 8k bill for an exchange unit
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