Salary sacrifice leasing

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SWoll

18,364 posts

258 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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Basil Brush said:
There you go slandering the scheme again!
Not knocking the scheme this time, just the cost of the car. Even plain lease costs are preposterous.



A similarly priced Q8 etron 55 Vorsprug (£99k) is £500 cheaper per month..


Edited by SWoll on Thursday 9th March 12:37

Basil Brush

5,083 posts

263 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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SWoll said:
Basil Brush said:
There you go slandering the scheme again!
Not knocking the scheme this time, just the cost of the car. Even plain lease costs are preposterous.



A similarly priced Q8 etron 55 Vorsprug (£99k) is £500 cheaper per month..


Edited by SWoll on Thursday 9th March 12:37
Wow, I take it back. That SS example is a good deal on that basis!

silent ninja

863 posts

100 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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My BMW iX3 Pro arrives next week on SS (£535 per month). Zenith have been smooth so far and hit the timeline and delivery on a transporter (rather than a bloke that might thrash it).

I am slightly concerned HR are going to cock up the tax implications. There's no impact on my pension, but I don't want a tax bill 4 years later - as has happened in the past when I was a contractor.

SS still the cheapest, but yes leasing companies are making a massive profit! What the alternatives? With EV residuals up in the air and high interest rates, no deals are cheap.

AyBee

10,533 posts

202 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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Has anyone had more than 1 provider at their work or do they all get a monopoly position once your work signs up to their provider of choice? Some more competition could be worthwhile given some of these SS scheme prices seem to be way more than the equivalent lease+insurance+maintenance?

silent ninja

863 posts

100 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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AyBee said:
Has anyone had more than 1 provider at their work or do they all get a monopoly position once your work signs up to their provider of choice? Some more competition could be worthwhile given some of these SS scheme prices seem to be way more than the equivalent lease+insurance+maintenance?
I don't see why you couldn't have two suppliers, but it sounds like a lot of additional overhead, cost and complexity. If I was a company HR director, I'd want one supplier to deal with and ensure there is a mechanism to benchmark and keep them honest.

Sunday Drive

164 posts

20 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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silent ninja said:
I don't see why you couldn't have two suppliers, but it sounds like a lot of additional overhead, cost and complexity. If I was a company HR director, I'd want one supplier to deal with and ensure there is a mechanism to benchmark and keep them honest.
Some schemes prohibit it.

CheesecakeRunner

3,792 posts

91 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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silent ninja said:
I am slightly concerned HR are going to cock up the tax implications. There's no impact on my pension, but I don't want a tax bill 4 years later - as has happened in the past when I was a contractor.
Don’t rely on your company. Get into the HMRC website, log into your personal tax account and enter the car and when you got it yourself. HMRC will adjust your tax code within a few days.

AyBee

10,533 posts

202 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Sunday Drive said:
silent ninja said:
I don't see why you couldn't have two suppliers, but it sounds like a lot of additional overhead, cost and complexity. If I was a company HR director, I'd want one supplier to deal with and ensure there is a mechanism to benchmark and keep them honest.
Some schemes prohibit it.
So very much a monopoly of once they're in, there's absolutely no competition so they can charge what they want...

TheDrownedApe

1,029 posts

56 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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CheesecakeRunner said:
Don’t rely on your company. Get into the HMRC website, log into your personal tax account and enter the car and when you got it yourself. HMRC will adjust your tax code within a few days.
I've just updated my expected earnings with them. I've made the mistake of relying on HR before and suffered the consequences.

C40 is delivered 5 weeks today!

silent ninja

863 posts

100 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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CheesecakeRunner said:
Don’t rely on your company. Get into the HMRC website, log into your personal tax account and enter the car and when you got it yourself. HMRC will adjust your tax code within a few days.
Cheers for the tip. Will give the PAYE portal a shot

Vanden Crash

769 posts

50 months

Monday 13th March 2023
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SWoll said:
Vanden Crash said:
If you think 22k on an asset you’ll never own is gvfm then go for it but 600 quid is 600 quid

Paying someone’s depreciation so you can have something shiny?

Go 25k on a loan get an e39 m5 (so a real m) and enjoy 3 years cash free motoring and flog it
Is this a serious post?

Not everyone wants to run a 25 year old specialist car with 120k miles on the clock funnily enough.

If no-one bought/leased new cars where do you think happens?
I’m guessing the arse is about to absolutely drop out of the market so my post may be taken seriously

theboss

6,913 posts

219 months

Monday 13th March 2023
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I did notice when dropping into the local BMW dealer on the weekend they had a presumably pre-reg iX 40 listed at £81k with £14k discount, plonked outside the front door. Can’t see the deal online.

Will be interesting to see where the lease deals go from here.

Also looking around the showroom representative finance deals are now absolutely mental so EV SS leases aside, there’s going to be far fewer private PCP buyers around.

jgrewal

759 posts

47 months

Monday 13th March 2023
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Yeh a sea change COULD be coming with the market but right now there is no way I would be able to get 70k car zero deposit for 600 quid a month all in (tax, insurance, tyres, servicing inc) on any personal lease. This will be a one time deal for me after this as I plan to business lease through a LTD company which does not have 2 years trading history at this time. By then I do hope the arse has completely fell out of the leasing market!

Edited by jgrewal on Monday 13th March 21:55

theboss

6,913 posts

219 months

Monday 13th March 2023
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I think pre-reg in-stock EVs are discounted heavily because they don’t qualify for 100% tax write down (they are sold as used / 1 previous owner) which will be a big deal for many company buyers.

Good deals around for cash buyers who are happy to write off against tax gradually.

WORRALL.

51 posts

90 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Has anyone had a recent quote via a salary sacrifice provider for a BMW IX 40?

We havent signed up to a provider yet but instead have looked for business lease quotes for the IX 40 from BMW directly which are circa £820 exc vat which includes maintenance over 36 months with 10k miles and no initial deposit. If we were to salary sacrifice that then it works out at circa £550/month off the bottom of your pay check but doesnt cover insurance/charger. Interested to see how this compares to the all in one providers?

Percy.

767 posts

74 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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WORRALL. said:
Has anyone had a recent quote via a salary sacrifice provider for a BMW IX 40?

We havent signed up to a provider yet but instead have looked for business lease quotes for the IX 40 from BMW directly which are circa £820 exc vat which includes maintenance over 36 months with 10k miles and no initial deposit. If we were to salary sacrifice that then it works out at circa £550/month off the bottom of your pay check but doesnt cover insurance/charger. Interested to see how this compares to the all in one providers?
Just checked Octopus through our work SS scheme.

IX40 M Sport

10k Miles
36 Months
Includes insurance and maintenance
4000 'free miles'

Net: £1197

silent ninja

863 posts

100 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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WORRALL. said:
Has anyone had a recent quote via a salary sacrifice provider for a BMW IX 40?

We havent signed up to a provider yet but instead have looked for business lease quotes for the IX 40 from BMW directly which are circa £820 exc vat which includes maintenance over 36 months with 10k miles and no initial deposit. If we were to salary sacrifice that then it works out at circa £550/month off the bottom of your pay check but doesnt cover insurance/charger. Interested to see how this compares to the all in one providers?
iX xDrive 40 - 76.6kWh 326 M Sport 11kW Charger Auto
36 months
My scheme lets you do as many miles as you want with no impact on monthlies.

£629 per month net for 40% tax payer
£967 per month gross


Insurance, tyres, service, breakdown, unlimited drivers.
Provider is Zenith.

jgrewal

759 posts

47 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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We signed up for IX M40 M Sport for £630 net payment with insurance, tax, maintenance and tyres included. Already have a charger but that was not included. 36 months and 10k miles. Just hoping its built and delivered soon!

SWoll

18,364 posts

258 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Percy. said:
Just checked Octopus through our work SS scheme.

IX40 M Sport

10k Miles
36 Months
Includes insurance and maintenance
4000 'free miles'

Net: £1197
eek

I'm hoping that's the gross figure, but even if it is..

Percy.

767 posts

74 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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SWoll said:
eek

I'm hoping that's the gross figure, but even if it is..
No....net figure

40% tax payer