The future......now
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Dream on. Then according to this thread, EV range is dramatically reduced by a normal reduction in UK temperature:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Indeed, interesting times ahead. If I couldn't charge at home or needed to regularly cover 200+ mile distances there's no way I'd have considered going EV for both cars in the household.
Rather a different issue in the USA anyway as on average they cover twice the annual mileage we do in the UK. 250 miles is a short trip for them as I've been told many times by friends and colleagues from across the pond, a very different view to here in the UK so absolute range a much bigger consideration.
Rather a different issue in the USA anyway as on average they cover twice the annual mileage we do in the UK. 250 miles is a short trip for them as I've been told many times by friends and colleagues from across the pond, a very different view to here in the UK so absolute range a much bigger consideration.
I would love to buy an EV but as far as I can tell they are just an expensive (to buy) runabout at the moment. With the thread this week reporting the iPace range to be less than 160 miles in winter and the need to drive slowly when on ‘long’ runs, plus the lack of availability of charging points, the whole driving experience must be stressful. Unless that is it’s a quick trip to the shops, but you don’t need to spend the best part of £50k (or a lot more) to do this and achieve minimal running costs.
I was at a services on the M42 at the weekend and it had maybe 20? Super Chargers.... nearly all being used. Which is absolutely fantastic to see; if you build it they will come. But it does highlight the problem that charging infrastructure needs to go up and go up fast. Tesla's are not as prevalent here as they are in Cali, and already looks like the number of Tesla's will be bumping up against the charge infrastructure limits in some places.
I'm sure Tesla will sort it as, if there is anything they've done really well, its to put the proper infrastructure in place to make their cars work. Everyone else is miles behind.... besides the fleet of Tesla chargers were 2, rather forlorn looking EcoTricity numbers (full). Presumably they're waiting for more EVs to come... whereas Tesla realised it should be the other way round.
I'm sure Tesla will sort it as, if there is anything they've done really well, its to put the proper infrastructure in place to make their cars work. Everyone else is miles behind.... besides the fleet of Tesla chargers were 2, rather forlorn looking EcoTricity numbers (full). Presumably they're waiting for more EVs to come... whereas Tesla realised it should be the other way round.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Thursday 5th December 10:34
Phil. said:
I would love to buy an EV but as far as I can tell they are just an expensive (to buy) runabout at the moment. With the thread this week reporting the iPace range to be less than 160 miles in winter and the need to drive slowly when on ‘long’ runs, plus the lack of availability of charging points, the whole driving experience must be stressful. Unless that is it’s a quick trip to the shops, but you don’t need to spend the best part of £50k (or a lot more) to do this and achieve minimal running costs.
EVs are still really targeting the middle class, many of whom already drive expensive runabouts, especially SUVs, to do lots of local journeys and occasional longer trips. SUVs and luxury cars are expensive to buy and run, depreciate heavily and are not in any way environmentally friendly. For those with off street parking, an EV (especially a Tesla with its superchargers and destination chargers) isn't that much of a stretch/compromise in comparison. More people are considering EVs, but unless you are prepared to do your homework to work out if it will work for you, the majority of people will stick to what they know, an ICE vehicle. As has been said on this forum many times, driving a car isn't environmentally friendly in the first place, so an EV is still a compromise...
Fastlane said:
EVs are still really targeting the middle class, many of whom already drive expensive runabouts, especially SUVs, to do lots of local journeys and occasional longer trips. SUVs and luxury cars are expensive to buy and run, depreciate heavily and are not in any way environmentally friendly. For those with off street parking, an EV (especially a Tesla with its superchargers and destination chargers) isn't that much of a stretch/compromise in comparison. More people are considering EVs, but unless you are prepared to do your homework to work out if it will work for you, the majority of people will stick to what they know, an ICE vehicle.
As has been said on this forum many times, driving a car isn't environmentally friendly in the first place, so an EV is still a compromise...
I fit the target market for an EV but having done my research I still find them too much of a compromise in terms of cost to buy when comparing their overall capability with the competitors. Range is the main issue. If I could reliably have 350 miles in any weather driving at normal motorway speeds without having to worry about having the aircon or heater on etc. I’d buy one tomorrow. Does such an EV exist yet? As has been said on this forum many times, driving a car isn't environmentally friendly in the first place, so an EV is still a compromise...
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