Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)
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Why do the kids like it?
Exterior of the 3 isn't exciting, so imagine its the kids wanting to see it drive itself/Summons? Do they ask for it to be put into Autopilot?
As that would explain why there are never any queues out of the door at Tesla's Westfield store, as you can only look and sit in it.
Exterior of the 3 isn't exciting, so imagine its the kids wanting to see it drive itself/Summons? Do they ask for it to be put into Autopilot?
As that would explain why there are never any queues out of the door at Tesla's Westfield store, as you can only look and sit in it.
SWoll said:
The longer he's worked on TG the more of a tw*t he's become, it's like they're paying him to try and be the new Clarkson.
Used to be a massive fan of his youtube channel but just find him irritating most of the time nowadays as he slowly disappears up his own arse. A real shame, but I suppose that's what a little fame does to some people.
Does it come across as genuine, or is he just getting publicity, so he stands out amongst all the other Journos/Youtubers? Clarkson doesn't mean half of what he says.Used to be a massive fan of his youtube channel but just find him irritating most of the time nowadays as he slowly disappears up his own arse. A real shame, but I suppose that's what a little fame does to some people.
You'd have to do your own research, I can only speak from real world experience. 
It's a super cool 'brand'. They love the interior and massive touchscreen, the fact you can watch YT and Netflix and how bloody quick the thing is.
Also I think in a sea of lookalike BMW/Audi's it's quite a handsome car for a mid sized 4 door saloon personally. The kids seem to agree.
It's a super cool 'brand'. They love the interior and massive touchscreen, the fact you can watch YT and Netflix and how bloody quick the thing is.
Also I think in a sea of lookalike BMW/Audi's it's quite a handsome car for a mid sized 4 door saloon personally. The kids seem to agree.
hyphen said:
SWoll said:
The longer he's worked on TG the more of a tw*t he's become, it's like they're paying him to try and be the new Clarkson.
Used to be a massive fan of his youtube channel but just find him irritating most of the time nowadays as he slowly disappears up his own arse. A real shame, but I suppose that's what a little fame does to some people.
Does it come across as genuine, or is he just getting publicity, so he stands out amongst all the other Journos/Youtubers? Clarkson doesn't mean half of what he says.Used to be a massive fan of his youtube channel but just find him irritating most of the time nowadays as he slowly disappears up his own arse. A real shame, but I suppose that's what a little fame does to some people.
hyphen said:
Does it come across as genuine, or is he just getting publicity, so he stands out amongst all the other Journos/Youtubers? Clarkson doesn't mean half of what he says.
He said it on a The Smoking Tire podcast, so not the biggest platform if he was after publicity. I got the impression he did it because it's a space where he can speak his mind.He did say he enjoys driving the Model 3 because you can troll Audi owners by out accelerating them in something that looks like a 'Korean Nothing' I think was the phrase he used.
He also provided an interesting insight into Supercharger usage - apparently you're expected to stand around and talk about how great Teslas are while waiting for it to charge, which he found unbearable!
Actually I saw a Model 3 up close for the first time in a car park the other day. It really stood out among other cars, simply because nothing else was quite so bland in its styling.
SWoll said:
The styling debate is pointless as utterly subjective.
he's definitelt gone full Clarkson though reading that. What a shame.
Here's the podcast, if you want to see his comments in context. It's surprisingly watchable, although I only saw the first half hour - I have other things to do with two hours of my life!he's definitelt gone full Clarkson though reading that. What a shame.
https://youtu.be/hMjjQo5Yoic
Regarding styling, you're right that it's subjective... but only to a point. The Model S, X, 3 and Y were all designed (quite cleverly) to be as inoffensively bland as possible, and that blandness was a deliberate styling choice.
It was Rich rebuilds talking about the Cybertruck who made an interesting point about Tesla's styling choices. Having made the first cars as bland as possible, they needed to make the Cybertruck look crazy. When the Model S was released it was differentiated by being electric and needed to be as bland as possible, so as not to frighten potential customers. Now Teslas are more common and being electric isn't such a differentiator any more. Tesla now needs to do something else to stand out. Hence the Cybertruck looking so stupid, in a direct, conscious opposition to the blandness of the earlier cars.
But yes, you can say styling is subjective, however it's quite obvious the cars were designed to look as conservative as possible.
Not that the kids care because hey, you can watch Netflix. Much more important.
gangzoom said:
hyphen said:
Why do the kids like it?
I thought the answer is pretty obvious, do you need any kids these days who don't get the whole touch screen concept?
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ds666 said:
That's a bit mean making your child sit in the car to play with an i pad . Get het one for Christmas then she can sit in the house
Ever had the feeling of needing to 'get away' from it all when lots family members around? Personally I find the car + Spotify a quite nice place to escape to, its certainly warmer/comfier than a shed at the back of the garden .NDNDNDND said:
SWoll said:
The styling debate is pointless as utterly subjective.
he's definitelt gone full Clarkson though reading that. What a shame.
Here's the podcast, if you want to see his comments in context. It's surprisingly watchable, although I only saw the first half hour - I have other things to do with two hours of my life!he's definitelt gone full Clarkson though reading that. What a shame.
https://youtu.be/hMjjQo5Yoic
Regarding styling, you're right that it's subjective... but only to a point. The Model S, X, 3 and Y were all designed (quite cleverly) to be as inoffensively bland as possible, and that blandness was a deliberate styling choice.
It was Rich rebuilds talking about the Cybertruck who made an interesting point about Tesla's styling choices. Having made the first cars as bland as possible, they needed to make the Cybertruck look crazy. When the Model S was released it was differentiated by being electric and needed to be as bland as possible, so as not to frighten potential customers. Now Teslas are more common and being electric isn't such a differentiator any more. Tesla now needs to do something else to stand out. Hence the Cybertruck looking so stupid, in a direct, conscious opposition to the blandness of the earlier cars.
But yes, you can say styling is subjective, however it's quite obvious the cars were designed to look as conservative as possible.
Not that the kids care because hey, you can watch Netflix. Much more important.
gangzoom said:
ds666 said:
That's a bit mean making your child sit in the car to play with an i pad . Get het one for Christmas then she can sit in the house
Ever had the feeling of needing to 'get away' from it all when lots family members around? Personally I find the car + Spotify a quite nice place to escape to, its certainly warmer/comfier than a shed at the back of the garden .I think the cars' bland, anonymous looks are part of the appeal. And not necessarily in a 'sleeper' kind of way.
We live in 'try hard' times where much of what is on the road are styled to appear much more aggressive and potent than they actually are (the German premium manufacturers seem to be the most guilty of this).
If that's what the people want then that's fine, but Tesla's cars seem to have the opposite philosophy and I find that quite refreshing.
We live in 'try hard' times where much of what is on the road are styled to appear much more aggressive and potent than they actually are (the German premium manufacturers seem to be the most guilty of this).
If that's what the people want then that's fine, but Tesla's cars seem to have the opposite philosophy and I find that quite refreshing.
REALIST123 said:
SWoll said:
The styling debate is pointless as utterly subjective.
Exactly. Perhaps you'll reconsider some of your own posts in view of this fact?
You understand that's the way it works yes?
hyphen said:
...His examples are retailers of predominantly other peoples products, not manufacturers of their own. And bricks & mortar being slow to adopt digital has no relevance neither I would say, that was a whole new world.
These are just mostly the same cars, same sales models, same everything aside from the differences due to powersource.
He says how kids are growing up with Tesla? Cybertruck aside, only nerd kids will be putting up Tesla posters on their bedroom walls and aspiring to have one surely?
The examples are very relevant IMO, as they illustrate traditional manufacturing and distribution vs. the new paradigm. The legacy manufacturers' "dealership" model is outmoded (and in the US at least, universally loathed), and their billions in manufacturing investment and OEM partnerships aren't necessarily easily adapted to building EVs.These are just mostly the same cars, same sales models, same everything aside from the differences due to powersource.
He says how kids are growing up with Tesla? Cybertruck aside, only nerd kids will be putting up Tesla posters on their bedroom walls and aspiring to have one surely?
As for brand relevance, Tesla is absolutely aspirational, as virtually everyone I meet oohs and ahhs over my $57K Model 3 - far more than any car I've previously owned, even though the most recent one was an ~$85K Audi S6.
Zcd1 said:
hyphen said:
...His examples are retailers of predominantly other peoples products, not manufacturers of their own. And bricks & mortar being slow to adopt digital has no relevance neither I would say, that was a whole new world.
These are just mostly the same cars, same sales models, same everything aside from the differences due to powersource.
He says how kids are growing up with Tesla? Cybertruck aside, only nerd kids will be putting up Tesla posters on their bedroom walls and aspiring to have one surely?
The examples are very relevant IMO, as they illustrate traditional manufacturing and distribution vs. the new paradigm. The legacy manufacturers' "dealership" model is outmoded (and in the US at least, universally loathed), and their billions in manufacturing investment and OEM partnerships aren't necessarily easily adapted to building EVs.These are just mostly the same cars, same sales models, same everything aside from the differences due to powersource.
He says how kids are growing up with Tesla? Cybertruck aside, only nerd kids will be putting up Tesla posters on their bedroom walls and aspiring to have one surely?
As for brand relevance, Tesla is absolutely aspirational, as virtually everyone I meet oohs and ahhs over my $57K Model 3 - far more than any car I've previously owned, even though the most recent one was an ~$85K Audi S6.
Have a look at where pendragon plc makes most of its money, it’s from customers coming in every year/2 years and giving them £200 for an oil change or £300 for new pads.
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