Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)
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SWoll said:
I wonder when we'll se the tri-motor setup, maybe saving it for the Roadster (if it ever turns up)
Pretty sure the Plaid has the tri motors - they need to get rid of the modified locomotive motor they've been using in the MSX performance models for 8 years. Two smaller ones giving the same out put, greater efficiency and individual power delivery giving torque vectoring seemed to neat way to do it. My understanding is the Plaid+ is pretty much all down to the battery which is much higher energy density giving the extra range and a bit more power output (if you ignore the rocket boosters). But its the battery that was also going into the roadster.
Edit - just looked and the web site says the Plaid is tri motor (so must be true
)Dave_Rich said:
oop north said:
Plaid+ cancelled
Do yuou have a link?I never thought it would materialise in the form boasted.
But surprised they haven't strung the cult members on a little longer.
Now where is that roadster and its sub 2 second 0-60 ?
Dave Hedgehog said:
hyphen said:
and thats production capped I had a bit of a rant over on the general Plaid thread, you may have noticed, about Elon getting ever more eccentric.
But then you compare it to this
If it was the Beatles and lot of young ladies back in the day at least we got a good song out of it ...
Now just some dozy millenials who think of crypto as a way to get rich quick with an investment when it was actually designed as a peer to peer way to fund transactions without any fees. Like downloading that film rather than paying for netflix.....
The whole thing has got corrupted over the years from first ego's and then money. And now with the video above both egos and money and groupees....
I bash Elon but ironically he was involved with Paypal which is far more true to paying for things than Bitcoin etc are at the moment ... and then did a space company and a car company.
No wonder he enjoys his leisure time
But then you compare it to this
If it was the Beatles and lot of young ladies back in the day at least we got a good song out of it ...
Now just some dozy millenials who think of crypto as a way to get rich quick with an investment when it was actually designed as a peer to peer way to fund transactions without any fees. Like downloading that film rather than paying for netflix.....
The whole thing has got corrupted over the years from first ego's and then money. And now with the video above both egos and money and groupees....
I bash Elon but ironically he was involved with Paypal which is far more true to paying for things than Bitcoin etc are at the moment ... and then did a space company and a car company.
No wonder he enjoys his leisure time
You are best not looking at Tesla short term sales per month as they are always up and down more like a w
es drawers, and they are rather opaque about giving those details.
What matters is the quarterly results on sales and profits and then the nitty gritty of free money in from energy credits, cost cuttings and payments out to Elon. That's been the 3 main things each time for the last 4 quarters.
I'm guessing cost cutting and energy credits will both be good for the bottom line next report. That could get hit if vehicle sales are not as good as expected though to hit 750k this year. They could well have a larger profit on smaller vehicle sales than expected ... is that good or bad? People will spin it both ways. You will never be bored by Tesla...
es drawers, and they are rather opaque about giving those details.What matters is the quarterly results on sales and profits and then the nitty gritty of free money in from energy credits, cost cuttings and payments out to Elon. That's been the 3 main things each time for the last 4 quarters.
I'm guessing cost cutting and energy credits will both be good for the bottom line next report. That could get hit if vehicle sales are not as good as expected though to hit 750k this year. They could well have a larger profit on smaller vehicle sales than expected ... is that good or bad? People will spin it both ways. You will never be bored by Tesla...
Clive Milk said:
I had a bit of a rant over on the general Plaid thread, you may have noticed, about Elon getting ever more eccentric.
But then you compare it to this
If it was the Beatles and lot of young ladies back in the day at least we got a good song out of it ...
Now just some dozy millenials who think of crypto as a way to get rich quick with an investment when it was actually designed as a peer to peer way to fund transactions without any fees. Like downloading that film rather than paying for netflix.....
The whole thing has got corrupted over the years from first ego's and then money. And now with the video above both egos and money and groupees....
I bash Elon but ironically he was involved with Paypal which is far more true to paying for things than Bitcoin etc are at the moment ... and then did a space company and a car company.
No wonder he enjoys his leisure time
It’s just a bit ironic that this new currency. The true bankless utopia is influences by one person who is unstable . But then you compare it to this
If it was the Beatles and lot of young ladies back in the day at least we got a good song out of it ...
Now just some dozy millenials who think of crypto as a way to get rich quick with an investment when it was actually designed as a peer to peer way to fund transactions without any fees. Like downloading that film rather than paying for netflix.....
The whole thing has got corrupted over the years from first ego's and then money. And now with the video above both egos and money and groupees....
I bash Elon but ironically he was involved with Paypal which is far more true to paying for things than Bitcoin etc are at the moment ... and then did a space company and a car company.
No wonder he enjoys his leisure time
Burwood said:
Clive Milk said:
I had a bit of a rant over on the general Plaid thread, you may have noticed, about Elon getting ever more eccentric.
But then you compare it to this
If it was the Beatles and lot of young ladies back in the day at least we got a good song out of it ...
Now just some dozy millenials who think of crypto as a way to get rich quick with an investment when it was actually designed as a peer to peer way to fund transactions without any fees. Like downloading that film rather than paying for netflix.....
The whole thing has got corrupted over the years from first ego's and then money. And now with the video above both egos and money and groupees....
I bash Elon but ironically he was involved with Paypal which is far more true to paying for things than Bitcoin etc are at the moment ... and then did a space company and a car company.
No wonder he enjoys his leisure time
It’s just a bit ironic that this new currency. The true bankless utopia is influences by one person who is unstable . But then you compare it to this
If it was the Beatles and lot of young ladies back in the day at least we got a good song out of it ...
Now just some dozy millenials who think of crypto as a way to get rich quick with an investment when it was actually designed as a peer to peer way to fund transactions without any fees. Like downloading that film rather than paying for netflix.....
The whole thing has got corrupted over the years from first ego's and then money. And now with the video above both egos and money and groupees....
I bash Elon but ironically he was involved with Paypal which is far more true to paying for things than Bitcoin etc are at the moment ... and then did a space company and a car company.
No wonder he enjoys his leisure time
Bitcoin P2P e-cash paper
and
"I've been working on a new electronic cash system that's fully peer-to-peer, with no trusted third party."
which was all about doing cheap money transfers without banks taking their cut, a worthy ideal and the originators pushed it on. But now it has become the new gold rush as the geeks got muscled out by the people wanting to make money.
The interesting connection with the old Californian gold rush of course is that crypto currencies will make far more money for the people servicing the rush than the people actually mining it in the rush ....
The problem is with crypto currencies is that they have over 1700 homebrewed currencies whilst the number of global real currencies is reducing. Paying for something should always have least choices, hence why the dollar has been popular.
Once the governments and the banks get into digital currencies all these backyard cryptos will be dead. They don't have enough firepower behind them compared to the big boys.
That's slightly off topic of course. It does tie in though as Elon v Shorters now seems to have gone to Elon v Coiners...
Burwood said:
It’s just a bit ironic that this new currency. The true bankless utopia is influences by one person who is unstable .
When does Elon become the next Gerald Ratner for the wider community.He is like mixing methane and oxygen together in a combustion chamber at any given time.
What would the share price be worth without him at the helm though ?
So 200mph and 1.99s 0-60.
The 200mph is already being back tracked on as you need to spend more money on new wheels and tyres that will be available in the future. Tesla is always the future aren't they ????
As for the 0-60, this could well turn into the Nurburgring fiasco for Tesla where they went to beat the Taycan which was bog standard on normal street tyres and still failed to set a measured time even after crashing one car and breaking down in another.
Drag times current properly measured time for it
True, it was 3 people in the car and also just one run, so it remains to be seen how many people can get a 1.99s time out of these in general.
And is that time even relevant for a manufacturer who is supposed to be saving the planet, or are they just putting lipstick on a pig and pandering to the their USA buyers?
The steering wheel and interior updates are poor considering the huge tsunami of new EV cars being released by the week. Non of which do 1.99s or 200mph....
I get the feeling the Roadster 2 and Cybertruck will still be MIA early 2022.
Clive Milk said:
Drag times current properly measured time for it
True, it was 3 people in the car and also just one run, so it remains to be seen how many people can get a 1.99s time out of these in general.
And is that time even relevant for a manufacturer who is supposed to be saving the planet, or are they just putting lipstick on a pig and pandering to the their USA buyers?
The steering wheel and interior updates are poor considering the huge tsunami of new EV cars being released by the week. Non of which do 1.99s or 200mph....
I get the feeling the Roadster 2 and Cybertruck will still be MIA early 2022.
Yeah, I heard that Brook from Drag Times had some figures from the launch that were impressive, but didn’t hit the figures that Tesla promised. Lets see what happens when they have a better surface and weather conditions, but I am going to call it now - I doubt they will get less than 2.2. It’s a massively impressive number, but their use of the * on their claims allows them a get out clause. True, it was 3 people in the car and also just one run, so it remains to be seen how many people can get a 1.99s time out of these in general.
And is that time even relevant for a manufacturer who is supposed to be saving the planet, or are they just putting lipstick on a pig and pandering to the their USA buyers?
The steering wheel and interior updates are poor considering the huge tsunami of new EV cars being released by the week. Non of which do 1.99s or 200mph....
I get the feeling the Roadster 2 and Cybertruck will still be MIA early 2022.
As for that steering wheel? Yeah thats BS. I remember watching the Regular Cars review of the Pontiac KITT car with the same thing. Hated it. Didn’t work in the real world and any tighter corners or parking is a nightmare. I think its a stupid design and I can see customers hating it really quickly.
Lets see when the reviews come out though. Fanboy owner videos will likely hit shortly, but I want to see some independent journalist reviews before I finish my conclusions on it. But I have to say that I am on the ‘meh’ side at the moment.
off_again said:
Clive Milk said:
Drag times current properly measured time for it
True, it was 3 people in the car and also just one run, so it remains to be seen how many people can get a 1.99s time out of these in general.
And is that time even relevant for a manufacturer who is supposed to be saving the planet, or are they just putting lipstick on a pig and pandering to the their USA buyers?
The steering wheel and interior updates are poor considering the huge tsunami of new EV cars being released by the week. Non of which do 1.99s or 200mph....
I get the feeling the Roadster 2 and Cybertruck will still be MIA early 2022.
Yeah, I heard that Brook from Drag Times had some figures from the launch that were impressive, but didn’t hit the figures that Tesla promised. Lets see what happens when they have a better surface and weather conditions, but I am going to call it now - I doubt they will get less than 2.2. It’s a massively impressive number, but their use of the * on their claims allows them a get out clause. True, it was 3 people in the car and also just one run, so it remains to be seen how many people can get a 1.99s time out of these in general.
And is that time even relevant for a manufacturer who is supposed to be saving the planet, or are they just putting lipstick on a pig and pandering to the their USA buyers?
The steering wheel and interior updates are poor considering the huge tsunami of new EV cars being released by the week. Non of which do 1.99s or 200mph....
I get the feeling the Roadster 2 and Cybertruck will still be MIA early 2022.
As for that steering wheel? Yeah thats BS. I remember watching the Regular Cars review of the Pontiac KITT car with the same thing. Hated it. Didn’t work in the real world and any tighter corners or parking is a nightmare. I think its a stupid design and I can see customers hating it really quickly.
Lets see when the reviews come out though. Fanboy owner videos will likely hit shortly, but I want to see some independent journalist reviews before I finish my conclusions on it. But I have to say that I am on the ‘meh’ side at the moment.
And as for the steering wheel.. Ridiculous, gimmicky, impractical rubbish added purely for attention. Would stop me even considering the Plaid as an upgrade as will be a nightmare to live with in the real world and clearly another nod towards the mythical world of FSD that's "right around the corner".
The 992 Tubo S has been tested at 0-60 in 2.2s. Not dissimilar money and will no doubt hold its value better. No question, more fun to drive.
I'm sure the Tesla is a very good car but their offering is unimpressive given they are a 600B company.
A relative minnow like Porsche still manages to generate a bottom line profit of USD 3.8B. Something i doubt Tesla will ever do. An interesting fact-VW pay just USD 15B for Porsche.
I'm sure the Tesla is a very good car but their offering is unimpressive given they are a 600B company.
A relative minnow like Porsche still manages to generate a bottom line profit of USD 3.8B. Something i doubt Tesla will ever do. An interesting fact-VW pay just USD 15B for Porsche.
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