Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)
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If demand continues to vastly exceed supply, which it seems to and has done for some time, then what tangible benefit does a PR department bring to Tesla?
People who are concerned about the USB thing (it’s a legitimate thing to be concerned about) are I’m sure contacting their service centres, who have no doubt been told what is going to happen, etc and are being managed and reassured by them. Would a blanket PR message about it improve that experience? Perhaps. Would a public PR statement be treated with derision and scepticism (“you’re just trying to save face!”) by non-customers and people who just want to give Tesla a kicking anyway? Almost certainly.
I’m not saying PR itself is bad, or that these things don’t look great when they’re reported on and there’s no public response to it, but clearly it doesn’t seem to affect sales or a sufficiently positive brand image. So, it is fair to say that - at least in the here and now - it appears that they were correct to say that they didn’t need a PR department.
People who are concerned about the USB thing (it’s a legitimate thing to be concerned about) are I’m sure contacting their service centres, who have no doubt been told what is going to happen, etc and are being managed and reassured by them. Would a blanket PR message about it improve that experience? Perhaps. Would a public PR statement be treated with derision and scepticism (“you’re just trying to save face!”) by non-customers and people who just want to give Tesla a kicking anyway? Almost certainly.
I’m not saying PR itself is bad, or that these things don’t look great when they’re reported on and there’s no public response to it, but clearly it doesn’t seem to affect sales or a sufficiently positive brand image. So, it is fair to say that - at least in the here and now - it appears that they were correct to say that they didn’t need a PR department.
Durzel said:
If demand continues to vastly exceed supply, which it seems to and has done for some time, then what tangible benefit does a PR department bring to Tesla?
Isn't a good part of the PR team's job to answer questions from the media? You know, like "When's the Cybertruck going to arrive?", "Where's my Robotaxi?", "What level FSD will you be at next year?", "How are sales going in China?", "Has the Model Y effectively replaced the Model 3 in the US?"Musk got rid of them because he doesn't want to answer questions. He made that clear.
No questioning Tesla.
Tuna said:
The UN is calling Musk out over his tweet:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bezos-un...
Probably pointing out that ending hunger for a limited time wasn't what was tabled. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bezos-un...
Article said:
The UN's food-assistance branch, the World Food Programme, laid out how it believed $6.6 billion in funding could prevent 42 million people across 43 countries from starving in 2022. The head of the WFP, David Beasley, called out Musk, the world's richest person by far, in a tweet announcing the proposal.
It'll be interesting to see how he responds.,98elise said:
Tuna said:
The UN is calling Musk out over his tweet:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bezos-un...
Probably pointing out that ending hunger for a limited time wasn't what was tabled. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bezos-un...
Article said:
The UN's food-assistance branch, the World Food Programme, laid out how it believed $6.6 billion in funding could prevent 42 million people across 43 countries from starving in 2022. The head of the WFP, David Beasley, called out Musk, the world's richest person by far, in a tweet announcing the proposal.
It'll be interesting to see how he responds.,Burwood said:
98elise said:
Tuna said:
The UN is calling Musk out over his tweet:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bezos-un...
Probably pointing out that ending hunger for a limited time wasn't what was tabled. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bezos-un...
Article said:
The UN's food-assistance branch, the World Food Programme, laid out how it believed $6.6 billion in funding could prevent 42 million people across 43 countries from starving in 2022. The head of the WFP, David Beasley, called out Musk, the world's richest person by far, in a tweet announcing the proposal.
It'll be interesting to see how he responds.,
Bloomberg on Apple's car. Aiming for a self driving launch in 2025 with no wheel or pedals. And powered by apples own chip:
bloomberg said:
Recently, the company reached a key milestone in developing the car’s underlying self-driving system, people familiar with the situation said. Apple believes it has completed much of the core work on the processor it intends to eventually ship in the first generation of the car.
The chip was designed by Apple’s silicon engineering group -- which devised the processors for the iPhone, iPad and Mac -- rather than within the car team itself. The work has included honing the underlying software that runs on the chip to power the self-driving capabilities.
The advancements could soon make their way into road tests. Apple plans to start using the new processor design and updated self-driving sensors in retrofitted cars that it’s spent years testing in California. The company currently has a fleet of 69 Lexus SUVs experimenting with its technology, according to the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles.
The Apple car chip is the most advanced component that Apple has developed internally and is made up primarily of neural processors that can handle the artificial intelligence needed for autonomous driving. The chip’s capabilities mean it will run hot and likely require the development of a sophisticated cooling system.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-18...The chip was designed by Apple’s silicon engineering group -- which devised the processors for the iPhone, iPad and Mac -- rather than within the car team itself. The work has included honing the underlying software that runs on the chip to power the self-driving capabilities.
The advancements could soon make their way into road tests. Apple plans to start using the new processor design and updated self-driving sensors in retrofitted cars that it’s spent years testing in California. The company currently has a fleet of 69 Lexus SUVs experimenting with its technology, according to the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles.
The Apple car chip is the most advanced component that Apple has developed internally and is made up primarily of neural processors that can handle the artificial intelligence needed for autonomous driving. The chip’s capabilities mean it will run hot and likely require the development of a sophisticated cooling system.
Pinch of salt. Apple is the greatest company in existence today. I've been invested since 2006 and doubt i'll ever sell it. They are producing the very best chips based on ARM architecture (a hopeful Nividea buy)- significantly better than Intel. Unlimited resources
OT-companies for the future AMSL/AAPL/NVDA/MSFT/GOOG. Lump tesla in that basket and you have the perfect portfolio
the take away is, don't bet against Apple, ever. Not always the first to market. Almost always end up producing a superior experience.
OT-companies for the future AMSL/AAPL/NVDA/MSFT/GOOG. Lump tesla in that basket and you have the perfect portfolio
the take away is, don't bet against Apple, ever. Not always the first to market. Almost always end up producing a superior experience.
Greatest by what metric? They're certainly very profitable.
It's very debatable in my opinion how "great" they are in other areas. Their modus operandi nowadays seems to be to f
k over indie repairs with every new release, although they did very recently offer self-repair options (because they were forced to).
I'm not sure the people working in the factories who make their stuff who had to have nets installed to stop them suiciding themselves would probably describe them as "great".
For shareholders and extremely first world upper middle class people - sure, they're great.
It's very debatable in my opinion how "great" they are in other areas. Their modus operandi nowadays seems to be to f
k over indie repairs with every new release, although they did very recently offer self-repair options (because they were forced to).I'm not sure the people working in the factories who make their stuff who had to have nets installed to stop them suiciding themselves would probably describe them as "great".
For shareholders and extremely first world upper middle class people - sure, they're great.
Burwood said:
Pinch of salt. Apple is the greatest company in existence today. I've been invested since 2006 and doubt i'll ever sell it. They are producing the very best chips based on ARM architecture (a hopeful Nividea buy)- significantly better than Intel. Unlimited resources
OT-companies for the future AMSL/AAPL/NVDA/MSFT/GOOG. Lump tesla in that basket and you have the perfect portfolio
the take away is, don't bet against Apple, ever. Not always the first to market. Almost always end up producing a superior experience.
I think Microsoft don't get the credit they deserve. Over the last 20 years, they have navigated through all the changes beautifully and seen off the considerable open source challenge. Even with mobiles where they failed, MS Teams is a huge success. And they are so diversified.OT-companies for the future AMSL/AAPL/NVDA/MSFT/GOOG. Lump tesla in that basket and you have the perfect portfolio
the take away is, don't bet against Apple, ever. Not always the first to market. Almost always end up producing a superior experience.
It is a pity that they don't focus more on end user touch and feel and design for their laptops, and that they have not made any announcements regarding addressing Apple Silicones battery life which could massively increase the Mac market share. But xbox aside, they seem more focused on b2b dominance.
Burwood said:
MSFT is an incredible company, no question. Every investor should hold it
Have to agree. They made a pivot and a massive bet on something that everyone laughed at. And guess what? Paid off big time! Literally prints money! And they have only just started with so much happening. Interesting challenges and shifts will happen in the coming years, but they will be the center of it going forward - and making a lot of money in the process. Tesla owners locked out of their cars after app fail. At least Musk apologised.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306
coetzeeh said:
Tesla owners locked out of their cars after app fail. At least Musk apologised.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306
Making the roads a safer placehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306
CheesecakeRunner said:
they’re using it wrong and it’s their own fault.
Just as well Musk didn't tweet that response!However, as usual it was a minor issue blown completely out of proportion by click driven "media" sites.
This was the issue a customer reported and Musk responded to
No mention of being locked out of their car at all.
Edited by Smiljan on Saturday 20th November 10:20
coetzeeh said:
Tesla owners locked out of their cars after app fail. At least Musk apologised.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306
Misleading reporting at best, intentionally wrong at worst.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306
All Teslas come with keycards and it’s made very clear not to rely on the App. The App unlocks via Bluetooth so does not need to connect to the server. Additionally S and X come with key fobs, can be purchased as an extra for the 3.
Edited by page3 on Saturday 20th November 12:54
hyphen said:
off_again said:
Burwood said:
MSFT is an incredible company, no question. Every investor should hold it
Have to agree. They made a pivot and a massive bet on something that everyone laughed at. And guess what? Paid off big time! Literally prints money! ...Not sure I’d say people laughed at it though? I can imagine some investors and “experts” running all the money was in hardware though.
I would agree with what’s been said though - O365, Azure, etc is basically a money printer.
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