Base Tesla cheaper overall than a £5K barge ?

[cheeky_chops]

sjtgeray said:

I can buy for cash via my Limited Company which i think would save Corporation Tax and personal tax if i took the money out of the company.
Could someone more knowledgeable than I take a look at my cost comparison table in this thread

You are missing the tax trick here - in the comparison table your comparing personal spending against company spending. So £1k company profit, minus 19% corp, minus 32% high rate tax = only £550 in your back pocket. Normally you pay BIK but zero tax makes it a winner. You need to speak to your accountant to get an accurate figure (or see if leasing is cheaper) but roughly buying a £40k tesla is only £22k from your pocket with the no BIK tax. VAT registered? You can also expense servicing, insurance, tyres etc Only downside is you can only claim 4ppm not 45ppm. There are alot of variables so speak to your accountant

[Heres Johnny]

ZesPak said:

To be honest, there are thousands of blogs and youtube videos around with people going on vacation in their Tesla far beyond what most people feel comfortable with in any car, with little or no issues.
You seem to talk a lot of superlatives for some minor issues.
As for the disingenuous click bait, Tesla doesn't do marketing. It's the one thing they don't do. Everyone else seem to be interested. And for every "record braking" headline clickbait, there's 20 "Tesla sucks because X", as a lot of people seem to love those.

As for charging speed, iirc almost no-one still beats Tesla in miles per hour charging.

You’re funny because you dont get it

Why would Tesla only offer the extra range on MS and MX that are being delivered now under the new warranty regime when the car is otherwise unchanged since Raven came out?

[ZesPak]

Heres Johnny said:

You’re funny because you dont get it

Why would Tesla only offer the extra range on MS and MX that are being delivered now under the new warranty regime when the car is otherwise unchanged since Raven came out?

Because they have the data to suggest the cars can take it?

[RobDickinson]

Heres Johnny said:

You’re funny because you dont get it

Why would Tesla only offer the extra range on MS and MX that are being delivered now under the new warranty regime when the car is otherwise unchanged since Raven came out?

Thats a lot of assumption there.

[anonymous-user]

audi321 said:

gangzoom said:

For anyone buying a used Tesla I would go as far to say as an OBD/Tesla scanner tool is 100% necessary.

As well as helping you avoid a bad battery pack - so low overall pack capacity and/or limited max DC charge rate - both of which is reported by the tool, you can also see how much DC (Supercharging) the pack has done. In general the more DC charging a car has done the more stressed the battery pack has been. Tesla actively LIMITS the speed of Supercharging on ALL their cars if you Supercharge them too much, 60/70/75/85/90/100 packs have all been shown to be effected, AND this also includes the Model 3.



You can see on my car at 32K miles, I've only used Supercharging for 5% of total trips, where as some used Ss might have spent most of their life been Supercharged! As an result you might be lucky to see 80KW Supercharging speeds, where as our cars can now hit just under 120KW.

These cars do last well, but an abused one will show the signs, and don't count on Tesla to bail you our, the 8 year warranty on the pack might as be useless when it comes to pack capacity and/or charge rate.

Can you link to a tool that gives this information?

Gangzoom is that tool!

He’s just given you that information and there are other tools on this forum who will do the same, I’m sure......

[RobDickinson]

You cant just throw an OBD2 dongle at them though, you need to disassemble part of the interior and use a 3rd party wiring harness and a dongle, its not something I expect you'll be allowed to do in a used car lot.

[gangzoom]

RobDickinson said:

You cant just throw an OBD2 dongle at them though, you need to disassemble part of the interior and use a 3rd party wiring harness and a dongle, its not something I expect you'll be allowed to do in a used car lot.

On a S/X you pull down the key storage thing under the MCU screen, and you can than access the connector. It takes sub 5 seconds to do.

[RobDickinson]

gangzoom said:

RobDickinson said:

You cant just throw an OBD2 dongle at them though, you need to disassemble part of the interior and use a 3rd party wiring harness and a dongle, its not something I expect you'll be allowed to do in a used car lot.

On a S/X you pull down the key storage thing under the MCU screen, and you can than access the connector. It takes sub 5 seconds to do.

Ah right didnt realise they were so much easier

[HKP]

Yep, very quick on S and X, but a slight ball ache on M3 due to having to get in the back and bypass a connector, I’d still do it on a car I was serious about buying, or ask for a report from the seller.

[RobDickinson]

Honestly this is stuff that should be available on screen to the owner.

Warrenty is 70% soh etc but nothing actually displays soh. So how do you tell?

[Otispunkmeyer]

ZesPak said:

I've never seen a car doing realistically do 60mpg in any sort of mileage tbh...

You haven’t looked hard enough.

My ten year old Prius gets close in the warmer months and I don’t baby it around. The newer ones do this figure quite easily. Plenty of small diesels will do it as well.

[gangzoom]

Reports of early UK owners now suffering MCU failures. I think having the MCU repaired/replaced isn't really the issue, more who is going to do it.

The earliest free Tesla Service Appointment I can see is April 7th, thats over 1 months away. Without the MCU working you cannot control the HVAC system, and an old car out of Tesla 50k miles/4 year warranty is not going to get access to Tesla priority emergency break down service.

So unless there are UK third party garages who can do a MCU repair you are looking at over 1 month with a non functional car!!

[jamoor]

gangzoom said:

Reports of early UK owners now suffering MCU failures. I think having the MCU repaired/replaced isn't really the issue, more who is going to do it.

The earliest free Tesla Service Appointment I can see is April 7th, thats over 1 months away. Without the MCU working you cannot control the HVAC system, and an old car out of Tesla 50k miles/4 year warranty is not going to get access to Tesla priority emergency break down service.

So unless there are UK third party garages who can do a MCU repair you are looking at over 1 month with a non functional car!!

They make it urgent if you can't use the car so can get an appointment much quicker, or give you a loaner.

Oh and I swapped a 7k barge for a Model 3 and it made sense. It was an infiniti m37 doing 21mpg

Those trying to say diesel focus etc, you won't be able to get on with a diesel focus if you're used to a barge, model 3 you'll have no problem.

Edited by jamoor on Sunday 23 February 23:00

[gangzoom]

jamoor said:

They make it urgent if you can't use the car so can get an appointment much quicker, or give you a loaner.

For a used out of warranty 2014 Model S??

I've used the Tesla emergency recovery plenty of times, but I suspect as soon as my car is out of the 50k and 4 year warranty Tesla will be very happy to say ' Sorry sir, we cannot help'.

Oh you can now no longer buy any kind of extended warranty on Teslas here in the UK, clearly Tesla have so much faith their cars will not break down after 4 years and 50k they feel owners don't need to waste their money......or could it be Tesla know how badly these cars are built they don't want to support them as soon as the warranty period is over .

Tesla is learning fast from VAG on how to put profit above anything else.

Edited by gangzoom on Monday 24th February 03:56

[anonymous-user]

jamoor said:

Those trying to say diesel focus etc, you won't be able to get on with a diesel focus if you're used to a barge, model 3 you'll have no problem.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 23 February 23:00

Why’s that? And how do you know what others may or may not ‘get on’ with?

I can think of many scenarios where a diesel focus would do the job just as well as anything else and a Tesla would offer no significant advantages. IMO.

[jamoor]

REALIST123 said:

jamoor said:

Those trying to say diesel focus etc, you won't be able to get on with a diesel focus if you're used to a barge, model 3 you'll have no problem.

Edited by jamoor on Sunday 23 February 23:00

Why’s that? And how do you know what others may or may not ‘get on’ with?

I can think of many scenarios where a diesel focus would do the job just as well as anything else and a Tesla would offer no significant advantages. IMO.

Do they make a diesel focus with an automatic transmission worth mentioning even?
I’d say the technology in a diesel focus won’t be an upgrade either, two things which are common in most barges.

Oh and it will be a rattly 4 pot diesel, the worst kind at least 6cyls are better.

[jamoor]

gangzoom said:

jamoor said:

They make it urgent if you can't use the car so can get an appointment much quicker, or give you a loaner.

For a used out of warranty 2014 Model S??

I've used the Tesla emergency recovery plenty of times, but I suspect as soon as my car is out of the 50k and 4 year warranty Tesla will be very happy to say ' Sorry sir, we cannot help'.

Oh you can now no longer buy any kind of extended warranty on Teslas here in the UK, clearly Tesla have so much faith their cars will not break down after 4 years and 50k they feel owners don't need to waste their money......or could it be Tesla know how badly these cars are built they don't want to support them as soon as the warranty period is over .

Tesla is learning fast from VAG on how to put profit above anything else.

Edited by gangzoom on Monday 24th February 03:56

Oh I thought you were on about early model 3s

Hasn’t anyone figured out how to repair those in the states as they’ve been out of warranty for a while now.

[PushedDover]

REALIST123 said:

jamoor said:

Those trying to say diesel focus etc, you won't be able to get on with a diesel focus if you're used to a barge, model 3 you'll have no problem.

Edited by jamoor on Sunday 23 February 23:00

Why’s that? And how do you know what others may or may not ‘get on’ with?

I can think of many scenarios where a diesel focus would do the job just as well as anything else and a Tesla would offer no significant advantages. IMO.

I suspect as a form of transport it 'will do' to use a Focus, but the expectation levels of comfort - read convenience - that a Tesla 3 brings versus a Focus Diesel separates the two.

I could be wrong, but that is how I managed to read his statement.

[gangzoom]

jamoor said:

Oh I thought you were on about early model 3s

Hasn’t anyone figured out how to repair those in the states as they’ve been out of warranty for a while now.

They have, the repair or even replacement of the MCU isn't the issue. Its the inconvenience of not been able to just drop the car off at the local garage for it to be sorted and turned round quickly.

If I got in my car today at 7am aiming to get to work for 745am and found the car/MCU dead what would I do??

For a single day or even a few days I can probably get around the problem of not having a car, but if its going to take 1 week to sort out, I have to arrange the MCU to be removed/sent to third party for repair/and or pay for the car to be towed etc to a dealer 60 miles away it becomes a major pain.

If you have access to a 2nd/3rd car having a dead Tesla on the driveway till its repaired is probably OK. But if its your only car, life will become a pain very quickly.

Buying an out of warranty Tesla isn't to be done without realising what you are potentially letting your self in for.

[jamoor]

You can say this about any car. A snapped timing chain on a BMW will probably be a degree more expensive and take longer to fix than sending an MTU away to be fixed.

Personally I can fix most things on a car and have multiple cars so it’s no problem.

I’m sure ECU testing will have fixes for this type of stuff or someone that does component level repairs on computers.