More ID.3 details
Discussion
VW shared more ID.3 specs today, I looked back a bunch of pages couldn't find the thread so..
ID.3 Pure - 45kWh, 126 hp or 150 hp, 330 km WLTP, < €30k
ID.3 Pro - 58kWh, 146 hp or 204 hp, 420 km WLTP, ~ €35k, 100kW charging
ID.3 Pro S - 77kWh, 204 hp, 550 km WLTP, (Price TBC), 100kW charging
ID.3 Pure - 45kWh, 126 hp or 150 hp, 330 km WLTP, < €30k
ID.3 Pro - 58kWh, 146 hp or 204 hp, 420 km WLTP, ~ €35k, 100kW charging
ID.3 Pro S - 77kWh, 204 hp, 550 km WLTP, (Price TBC), 100kW charging
Charging speeds look a little disappointing to be honest. First off, only 100kW peak, and then reading in to a quote from your link:
"In only 30 minutes, the ID.3 Pro will harvest enough electrical energy to cover a distance of approximately 290 km, thanks to its 100 kW onboard charger."
So approx. 180 miles of range in 30mins. Based on the consumption figure of 4.5mi/Kwh (58kWh battery, not sure if thats total or usable, and 261 mile WLTP range):
180/4.5 = 40kW/0.5h, so 80kW average over what looks likely to be 10-80% SoC?
OK I guess but I was hoping for more. I mean looking at the 77kWh battery, 100kW is less than a 1.3C charge rate.
Of course maybe my fag packet maths are wrong and I'm an idiot
"In only 30 minutes, the ID.3 Pro will harvest enough electrical energy to cover a distance of approximately 290 km, thanks to its 100 kW onboard charger."
So approx. 180 miles of range in 30mins. Based on the consumption figure of 4.5mi/Kwh (58kWh battery, not sure if thats total or usable, and 261 mile WLTP range):
180/4.5 = 40kW/0.5h, so 80kW average over what looks likely to be 10-80% SoC?
OK I guess but I was hoping for more. I mean looking at the 77kWh battery, 100kW is less than a 1.3C charge rate.
Of course maybe my fag packet maths are wrong and I'm an idiot
Have they finished replacing the software on all the ones they've already built?
https://insideevs.com/news/389129/volkswagen-id3-m...
https://www.engadget.com/2020/02/29/vw-id-3-softwa...
https://insideevs.com/news/389129/volkswagen-id3-m...
https://www.engadget.com/2020/02/29/vw-id-3-softwa...
jjwilde said:
Tesla killer lol. Specs don't even come close to Tesla and there is no charging network for it.
Yeah, no charging network... https://ccs-map.eu/The cheapest Model 3 is €15,000 more expensive than the cheapest ID.3 in Germany. What did you expect?
The Model 3 is a competitor for the 3 series and C class. The ID.3 is a Golf/Focus segment car, a much much bigger market.
JonChalk said:
I'm still pretty happy that I cancelled my pre-order for ID.3 1st Edition.
Going to wait a bit longer & see how the software issue settles down, and then see how the specs compare for the line-up.
Really want the cheapest possible version of the 77kWh version.
That's right, me to, but unfortunately the battery is where all the cost is. So they will bundle lots of stuff which cost them next to nothing like big wheels/brakes, s/w based gadgets etc, to justify a much higher price.Going to wait a bit longer & see how the software issue settles down, and then see how the specs compare for the line-up.
Really want the cheapest possible version of the 77kWh version.
jjwilde said:
Tesla killer lol. Specs don't even come close to Tesla and there is no charging network for it.
Yeah but it's a fraction of the price.Base Model 3 in the UK is about £41k with tax. If the base model of the ID is sub €30k then in the UK with grant you could be looking at close to £20k for one, literally half the price of a Model 3.
That's why it could be a "Tesla killer". Well not really a killer, but people who can't afford £500/month PCP or who only have cash/trade-in for a £20k car and want VW build quality are obviously going to buy one (or two) of these.
Tesla basically screwed up the Model 3 pricing, the original £27k promise went out the window and it's now a luxury car well out of most people's price range.
dxg said:
Have they finished replacing the software on all the ones they've already built?
https://insideevs.com/news/389129/volkswagen-id3-m...
https://www.engadget.com/2020/02/29/vw-id-3-softwa...
Very odd VW have such problems with software....... https://insideevs.com/news/389129/volkswagen-id3-m...
https://www.engadget.com/2020/02/29/vw-id-3-softwa...
aestetix1 said:
Base Model 3 in the UK is about £41k with tax. If the base model of the ID is sub €30k then in the UK with grant you could be looking at close to £20k for one, literally half the price of a Model 3.
You're not going to be able to get an ID3 for anywhere near £20k, at least not unless VW are willing to make a huge loss on it. I suspect the base price will be just below £30k for the entry level car.kambites said:
aestetix1 said:
Base Model 3 in the UK is about £41k with tax. If the base model of the ID is sub €30k then in the UK with grant you could be looking at close to £20k for one, literally half the price of a Model 3.
You're not going to be able to get an ID3 for anywhere near £20k, at least not unless VW are willing to make a huge loss on it. I suspect the base price will be just below £30k for the entry level car.The closest spec combination I could see available on the Mk8 runs to about £28k. But this doesn't include some option not yet available that I could see, like ACC, lane assist, etc. So would expect to be able to spec a diesel golf to £30k+ to macth the ID.3 level. Thus giving VW that sort of entry price as an option.
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