More ID.3 details

[funinhounslow]

kambites said:

aestetix1 said:

Base Model 3 in the UK is about £41k with tax. If the base model of the ID is sub €30k then in the UK with grant you could be looking at close to £20k for one, literally half the price of a Model 3.

You're not going to be able to get an ID3 for anywhere near £20k, at least not unless VW are willing to make a huge loss on it. I suspect the base price will be just below £30k for the entry level car.

Yep, the e Up is £19,600 after grant...

[RobDickinson]

aestetix1 said:

Tesla basically screwed up the Model 3 pricing, the original £27k promise went out the window and it's now a luxury car well out of most people's price range.

Not ever, not even once, was there a promise on a 27k car, no gbp prices were even discussed.

The $35k car does exist but that's not sold in UK and would need vat import duty etc on top so would be 35k or so if offered.

[danp]

kambites said:

aestetix1 said:

Base Model 3 in the UK is about £41k with tax. If the base model of the ID is sub €30k then in the UK with grant you could be looking at close to £20k for one, literally half the price of a Model 3.

You're not going to be able to get an ID3 for anywhere near £20k, at least not unless VW are willing to make a huge loss on it. I suspect the base price will be just below £30k for the entry level car.

I’ll split the difference with you both, if you can get a Leaf 40 for circa £22k and the Leaf 62 around £31k my guess would be £25k (all prices after grant).

By the time the base one is available there should be a lot more EV availability in general, e.g. Hyundai/Kia have mysteriously found they can ramp up numbers now we’re in 2020 with the EU emissions fines coming into play.

[kambites]

danp said:

I’ll split the difference with you both, if you can get a Leaf 40 for circa £22k and the Leaf 62 around £31k my guess would be £25k (all prices after grant).

Well yes but the Leaf is, quite frankly, a bit rubbish.

I suspect VW will somehow manage very competitive lease deals, but I can't see a list price which doesn't start with a 3 (or 4) for anything but the most basic model with the smallest battery.

[alfa aficionado]

Prices in Ireland are:
€35k for base model - ID.3 1st
€42k for next model - ID.3 1st Plus
€49k for top model - ID.3 1st Max

The €42k model is almost identical in spec to the UK 1st edition so I can't see how it will be under £30k. I thought VW suggested the price for the launch edition would be around £36k?

[NST]

alfa aficionado said:

Prices in Ireland are:
€35k for base model - ID.3 1st
€42k for next model - ID.3 1st Plus
€49k for top model - ID.3 1st Max

The €42k model is almost identical in spec to the UK 1st edition so I can't see how it will be under £30k. I thought VW suggested the price for the launch edition would be around £36k?

ID.3 was never going to be sub 30k car. I can pretty much guess that the typical ID.3 will be 40k with 'essential ' options.

Furthermore I will also guess that the actual range will.be considerably less than quoted just like the Audi electric SUV.

All that matters is the monthly pcp/lease costs and how much VW will subsidise the car in the first year.

Of more interest is the mustang mach e.. That can't be much more..?

[aestetix1]

alfa aficionado said:

Prices in Ireland are:
€35k for base model - ID.3 1st
€42k for next model - ID.3 1st Plus
€49k for top model - ID.3 1st Max

The €42k model is almost identical in spec to the UK 1st edition so I can't see how it will be under £30k. I thought VW suggested the price for the launch edition would be around £36k?

€35k is £30.5k. Does the Irish price include the €5,000 grant they get?

Also they pay more for cars in Ireland and get lower spec so it's probably better to look at French or German prices.

VW did say it would be sub €30k. Maybe they lied.

[aestetix1]

RobDickinson said:

Not ever, not even once, was there a promise on a 27k car, no gbp prices were even discussed.

They announced a $35k car. At the time they announced it with the conversion rate and the £5,000 grant that would have been £27k.

A lot of people were excited about that, the national press headlined it as a £27k Tesla. Then it came out at well over £40k and a lot of pre-orders got cancelled. They never even released the cheapest model in Europe.

Even in the US they really don't want you to buy the $35k one and jacked up the price after only a few months anyway. It's a compliance car, built only to comply with Musk's silly promise that he couldn't keep, and they lose money on it.

[danp]

alfa aficionado said:

Prices in Ireland are:
€35k for base model - ID.3 1st
€42k for next model - ID.3 1st Plus
€49k for top model - ID.3 1st Max

The €42k model is almost identical in spec to the UK 1st edition so I can't see how it will be under £30k. I thought VW suggested the price for the launch edition would be around £36k?

These are the 1st editions (58kWh), it’s the Pure (45kWh) that will surely be under £30k (VW said 30k euro)

[kambites]

Maybe we should have a sweepstake. My bet is an entry price of £29,900 "on the road".

[danp]

kambites said:

Maybe we should have a sweepstake. My bet is an entry price of £29,900 "on the road".

Skoda Citigo (37 kWh) is 21k Euro in DE, about 20k less £3k grant here.

So for a base ID.3 Pure (45 kWh) I’ll go a bit higher than before, £26,900. (inc. grant)

This assumes that the grant is not down to £50 by then and that coronovirus plus hard Brexit hasn’t altered things drastically. If so it could be your figure or higher ;-)

[Otispunkmeyer]

RobDickinson said:

aestetix1 said:

Tesla basically screwed up the Model 3 pricing, the original £27k promise went out the window and it's now a luxury car well out of most people's price range.

Not ever, not even once, was there a promise on a 27k car, no gbp prices were even discussed.

The $35k car does exist but that's not sold in UK and would need vat import duty etc on top so would be 35k or so if offered.

To be fair, it didn't even really get sold in the US either. Very few people were able to get one and they (Tesla) basically didn't want to sell them. At £39k though I still think its pretty good for the money, its basically the best EV of its kind on the market and has better tech than just about everything else going.

We aren't going to reach parity with ICE vehicles till we get to $100/kWh and that is a few years away yet (2022/23). But it will happen, given the price of similar saloons from the Germans, I don't think it commands too much of a premium. I mean a base 3-series, on BMW's site, is £31k and that is a miserable looking thing. The plug-in model is £39k. Pretty sure I'd go for the Tesla given those choices.

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Thursday 12th March 13:23

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Thursday 12th March 13:24

[manracer]

dxg said:

Have they finished replacing the software on all the ones they've already built?

https://insideevs.com/news/389129/volkswagen-id3-m...
https://www.engadget.com/2020/02/29/vw-id-3-softwa...

well, it will be an OTA update so not even an issue.

[granada203028]

Yes Lithium - ion well along both the technology and economic path of diminishing return.

They are as good as they are going to get and as cheep...

[RobDickinson]

aestetix1 said:

They announced a $35k car. At the time they announced it with the conversion rate and the £5,000 grant that would have been £27k.

What the fk are you talking about? A $35,000 car , converted to GBP, including the 10% Eu duty and 20% VAT would be £36500, the grant was £3500 and now its £3000, so would be £33500 minimum right now without extra for currency and shipping costs etc

[alfa aficionado]

aestetix1 said:

€35k is £30.5k. Does the Irish price include the €5,000 grant they get?

Also they pay more for cars in Ireland and get lower spec so it's probably better to look at French or German prices.

VW did say it would be sub €30k. Maybe they lied.

Yes includes all government subsidies.

Historically specs were lower but not so much any more. The ID.3 launch editions are comparable. My Golf R had a higher spec than UK model (although the GTI I had before was much lower spec to be fair)

Edited by alfa aficionado on Thursday 12th March 20:01

[aestetix1]

RobDickinson said:

What the fk are you talking about? A $35,000 car , converted to GBP, including the 10% Eu duty and 20% VAT would be £36500, the grant was £3500 and now its £3000, so would be £33500 minimum right now without extra for currency and shipping costs etc

It was all over the press, e.g. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/articl...

Remember back then when the photos were all really bad and it looked like a Ford Ka?

[RobDickinson]

Despite there being no software problems and no delay to the launch of the ID3 there are indeed huge software problems and they are not getting fixed.


VW has had secret high level meetings with Daimler and BMW to try and form a 3 way partnership to develop a common EV operating system.

So a task 10,000 engineers under 1 management cant accomplish can be done with 20,00 under 2 or more?

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/auto/bmw-daimler-vw-so...

[dxg]

Interesting...

I am sure I read that Ford had licenced VAG's MEB (the evolution of MQB that the ID.3 is the first to use).

If this continues, we might wind up with one common set of underpinnings for 'Western', one for 'Asia-Pacific' and, perhaps one for Sino (as the Japanese would surely have to team up with the Chinese...) manufacturers.

Interesting indeed.

[Witchfinder]

RobDickinson said:

VW has had secret high level meetings with Daimler and BMW to try and form a 3 way partnership to develop a common EV operating system.

Why aren't they just using Android Automotive OS?