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dxg

8,121 posts

259 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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This is an extremely interesting video in which the engineer is saying some very complementary things about VW's approach to things like removing a motor bearing and vastly simplifying its cooling, when compared to Tesla:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bab6CttkEY

Deadlysub

511 posts

157 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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I went with my Dad to test drive one yesterday. It was very impressive and the interior quality is no where near as bad as the reviews make out.

He ordered one as the discounts are ridiculous at the minute.

He went for a Family, pro performance.

He’s one of the last people I would have expected to go EV.

page3

4,912 posts

250 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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sjg said:
Yep, even the base spec is 45kWh usable (217 miles WLTP), 100kW charging. You get heated seats and steering wheel, adaptive cruise, wireless Carplay/AA, front and rear parking sensors, etc on all ID.3s.
But as far as I understand it, no rear speakers or heat pump , the latter being a £1500 option.

sjg

7,444 posts

264 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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I’m not fussed about either. VW are doing part refunds in Germany after overestimating the effect the heat pump has. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/vw-lowers-id3-i...

I don’t have one in my eGolf either. If you’re doing shorter journeys (comfortably in the range of the car) it doesn’t matter. If you’re doing long journeys where you need to charge regardless, it doesn’t matter. If you’re regularly doing journeys near the range of the car and it means the difference between stopping and not, maybe you can justify it.

annodomini2

6,860 posts

250 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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Deadlysub said:
I went with my Dad to test drive one yesterday. It was very impressive and the interior quality is no where near as bad as the reviews make out.

He ordered one as the discounts are ridiculous at the minute.

He went for a Family, pro performance.

He’s one of the last people I would have expected to go EV.
Drive it in stop start traffic before completing

JonChalk

6,469 posts

109 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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annodomini2 said:
Deadlysub said:
I went with my Dad to test drive one yesterday. It was very impressive and the interior quality is no where near as bad as the reviews make out.

He ordered one as the discounts are ridiculous at the minute.

He went for a Family, pro performance.

He’s one of the last people I would have expected to go EV.
Drive it in stop start traffic before completing
I have done so many, many times and it is fantastic - what's your cryptic point?

Deadlysub

511 posts

157 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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annodomini2 said:
Deadlysub said:
I went with my Dad to test drive one yesterday. It was very impressive and the interior quality is no where near as bad as the reviews make out.

He ordered one as the discounts are ridiculous at the minute.

He went for a Family, pro performance.

He’s one of the last people I would have expected to go EV.
Drive it in stop start traffic before completing
We did, took it on an hour test drive, mixture of town driving, motorway and B roads.

Can you elborate on your point?

annodomini2

6,860 posts

250 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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At very slow speeds the regenerative braking is ineffective, the mechanical brakes don't engage until about 20% brake travel.

I personally hate it and think it's dangerous.

dmsims

6,450 posts

266 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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annodomini2 said:
At very slow speeds the regenerative braking is ineffective, the mechanical brakes don't engage until about 20% brake travel.

I personally hate it and think it's dangerous.
Did you try B mode ?

Dangerous - nonsense!

djglover

423 posts

216 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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Totally, drove min in London and have stop start commute and it hands down beats any auto I have ever driven in this type of driving.

ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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Can't imagine anything better than any EV for stop start city driving.

annodomini2

6,860 posts

250 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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dmsims said:
annodomini2 said:
At very slow speeds the regenerative braking is ineffective, the mechanical brakes don't engage until about 20% brake travel.

I personally hate it and think it's dangerous.
Did you try B mode ?

Dangerous - nonsense!
It's not nonsense!

This was in B mode.

When the regen is operating normally you anticipate a certain level of braking, but at very low speed i.e. stop-start traffic, this is ineffectual. And you need to press the brake pedal further in order to stop.

This is counter-intuitive and will catch people out.

Deadlysub

511 posts

157 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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Only thing I would say is you can’t one pedal drive like you can in a lot of EV’s

HTP99

22,443 posts

139 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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annodomini2 said:
dmsims said:
annodomini2 said:
At very slow speeds the regenerative braking is ineffective, the mechanical brakes don't engage until about 20% brake travel.

I personally hate it and think it's dangerous.
Did you try B mode ?

Dangerous - nonsense!
It's not nonsense!

This was in B mode.

When the regen is operating normally you anticipate a certain level of braking, but at very low speed i.e. stop-start traffic, this is ineffectual. And you need to press the brake pedal further in order to stop.

This is counter-intuitive and will catch people out.
Sounds like the way the ZOE "B mode" works, heavy regenerative braking until you get to the normal auto creep and have to brake to get to a complete stop, can't see the issue.

dmsims

6,450 posts

266 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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annodomini2 said:
It's not nonsense!

This was in B mode.

When the regen is operating normally you anticipate a certain level of braking, but at very low speed i.e. stop-start traffic, this is ineffectual. And you need to press the brake pedal further in order to stop.

This is counter-intuitive and will catch people out.
Nope, car/driver must be faulty


JonChalk

6,469 posts

109 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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dmsims said:
annodomini2 said:
It's not nonsense!

This was in B mode.

When the regen is operating normally you anticipate a certain level of braking, but at very low speed i.e. stop-start traffic, this is ineffectual. And you need to press the brake pedal further in order to stop.

This is counter-intuitive and will catch people out.
Nope, car/driver must be faulty
Agreed - operator error; regen braking is very effective in B and D is very similar to "coasting" efficiency modes in modern ICE.

Oh, and pressing the brake pedal slows the car down, just like any other vehicle.

l354uge

2,892 posts

120 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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Manufacturers make a choice about the regen mapping, nissan like their "one pedal" which regens all the way to a stop, aswell as applying a small amount of foundation brake too, VW like to give a creep effect at low speeds. The car isn't broken, it's just a calibration choice. The two pedal style will appeal more to first time EV drivers who might find one pedal disconcerting.
Ofcourse experienced EV drivers may prefer one pedal.

Edited by l354uge on Monday 14th June 00:11

Silverage

2,023 posts

129 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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These cars are at their very best in stop/start conditions. This is when they are most efficient. I use B mode all of the time and it’s a breeze in traffic.

ChocolateFrog

24,851 posts

172 months

Tuesday 15th June 2021
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Just ordered a Pro Performance Family, £241 per month through a work scheme.

Was £4 more over the basic model, in guessing because of the resale value.

TheDrownedApe

1,016 posts

55 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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annodomini2 said:
It's not nonsense!

This was in B mode.

When the regen is operating normally you anticipate a certain level of braking, but at very low speed i.e. stop-start traffic, this is ineffectual. And you need to press the brake pedal further in order to stop.

This is counter-intuitive and will catch people out.
just as well it comes with emergency braking then.

Give it up