Reasons Tesla are the only current good choice to buy
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1. No customisations of options leads to no panicking about which shade of hue, which trim etc to spec
2. No bulls
t service plans
3. The charger network. Yes other chargers exist but last night I was on a polar fast charger (50kw yawn) and there was only 2 parking bays but only one type 2 plug
So car after car came and turned away. But the icing on the cake is I cannot return to use polar as the app still thinks it’s waiting for me to connect the car and this is after phone reboots.
2. No bulls
t service plans3. The charger network. Yes other chargers exist but last night I was on a polar fast charger (50kw yawn) and there was only 2 parking bays but only one type 2 plug
So car after car came and turned away. But the icing on the cake is I cannot return to use polar as the app still thinks it’s waiting for me to connect the car and this is after phone reboots.
Oh great, another thread fellating Elon Musk.
In reality for most people a Tesla isn't worth it. For 10k less you can get a long range EV and the charging networks are more than good enough.
I get the impression people who post this know it and are just trying to justify spending the extra money to themselves. They hope they will get positive feedback from other like-minded individuals, confirming that their dubious logic is in fact sound.
In reality for most people a Tesla isn't worth it. For 10k less you can get a long range EV and the charging networks are more than good enough.
I get the impression people who post this know it and are just trying to justify spending the extra money to themselves. They hope they will get positive feedback from other like-minded individuals, confirming that their dubious logic is in fact sound.
I guess the people like asterix don’t know just how far apart the quality of the Tesla app and charging is away from the lesser systems
It’s issues like last night that highlight that the other infrastructure is just too far behind the curve to be trusted.
A different app and payment method for each provider or pay more for contactless and good luck with finding one that’s working and not in use
50kw may seem super fast but it’s time value is it not? It’s quicker for me to drive 20 miles to the local Superchargers plug in fully charge and drive home
The only benefit with polar is the app never recognised I’d charged the car so cost me nothing
It’s issues like last night that highlight that the other infrastructure is just too far behind the curve to be trusted.
A different app and payment method for each provider or pay more for contactless and good luck with finding one that’s working and not in use
50kw may seem super fast but it’s time value is it not? It’s quicker for me to drive 20 miles to the local Superchargers plug in fully charge and drive home
The only benefit with polar is the app never recognised I’d charged the car so cost me nothing
Edited by George Smiley on Tuesday 7th July 16:21
The Tesla Chargers and their superb range are 2 top reasons why they are an excellent choice in the EV world.
Sadly for me, the gullwing doors on the Model X are a show stopper - but of course that is only one model in the range - and loads of people who are less introverted than me will love them.
I guess the same goes for the other things which stop me considering them: the iPad++ screen, too many touch controls and pretty much all of the party tricks/easter eggs they seem to have built in... I hate all of this so much... but many other folk love them.
So - yes, a very fine choice, but a still more than a few stumbling blocks for me.
Sadly for me, the gullwing doors on the Model X are a show stopper - but of course that is only one model in the range - and loads of people who are less introverted than me will love them.
I guess the same goes for the other things which stop me considering them: the iPad++ screen, too many touch controls and pretty much all of the party tricks/easter eggs they seem to have built in... I hate all of this so much... but many other folk love them.
So - yes, a very fine choice, but a still more than a few stumbling blocks for me.
Edited by edwheels on Tuesday 7th July 16:55
George Smiley said:
I guess the people like asterix don’t know just how far apart the quality of the Tesla app and charging is away from the lesser systems
It’s issues like last night that highlight that the other infrastructure is just too far behind the curve to be trusted.
A different app and payment method for each provider or pay more for contactless and good luck with finding one that’s working and not in use...
Exactly this. Only the Tesla infrastructure is working properly at the moment. My experience - repeated several times in all directions goes typically like this real example:It’s issues like last night that highlight that the other infrastructure is just too far behind the curve to be trusted.
A different app and payment method for each provider or pay more for contactless and good luck with finding one that’s working and not in use...
Arrive at Watford Gap services n/b on the limit of my range. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives 22 miles, enough to get to...
Leicester Forest n/b on the limit of range again. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives me 20 miles, enough to get to...
Donington Services n/b. One (of three) fast chargers working but a queue of 3 cars already. No option but to wait. Depart 3 hours later.
Arrive at destination (Burton upon Trent) finally after taking 8 hours to get from Banbury, a journey which normally would take max 2 hours even in heavy traffic.
In say, 5 years' time when EVs are more mainstream and the early adopter novelty has worn off a bit, what will a 5 to 10 year-old Tesla be worth? Who would want to try to run a ten year old Model X, for example? I've never had a car with frameless door windows, but will the Teslas leak there as they start getting old? I don't think they'll do that well.
The above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
The above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
littleredrooster said:
Exactly this. Only the Tesla infrastructure is working properly at the moment. My experience - repeated several times in all directions goes typically like this real example:
Arrive at Watford Gap services n/b on the limit of my range. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives 22 miles, enough to get to...
Leicester Forest n/b on the limit of range again. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives me 20 miles, enough to get to...
Donington Services n/b. One (of three) fast chargers working but a queue of 3 cars already. No option but to wait. Depart 3 hours later.
Arrive at destination (Burton upon Trent) finally after taking 8 hours to get from Banbury, a journey which normally would take max 2 hours even in heavy traffic.
What car did you drive? 2hrs drive is about 100-150miles which is less than the max range of a lot of ev. Unless you started your journey on 10% charge.Arrive at Watford Gap services n/b on the limit of my range. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives 22 miles, enough to get to...
Leicester Forest n/b on the limit of range again. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives me 20 miles, enough to get to...
Donington Services n/b. One (of three) fast chargers working but a queue of 3 cars already. No option but to wait. Depart 3 hours later.
Arrive at destination (Burton upon Trent) finally after taking 8 hours to get from Banbury, a journey which normally would take max 2 hours even in heavy traffic.
littleredrooster said:
Exactly this. Only the Tesla infrastructure is working properly at the moment. My experience - repeated several times in all directions goes typically like this real example:
Arrive at Watford Gap services n/b on the limit of my range. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives 22 miles, enough to get to...
Leicester Forest n/b on the limit of range again. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives me 20 miles, enough to get to...
Donington Services n/b. One (of three) fast chargers working but a queue of 3 cars already. No option but to wait. Depart 3 hours later.
Arrive at destination (Burton upon Trent) finally after taking 8 hours to get from Banbury, a journey which normally would take max 2 hours even in heavy traffic.
If you're willing to go a couple of minutes from the motorway there's non-Ecotricity rapid chargers very close to junctions 18, 20, 23 and 25 of the M1. Polar, Enginie, Geniepoint, Instavolt and others have been pretty good at finding sites just off the motorway to put rapid chargers on. Yes, ideally you don't have to stray from the services but it's better than taking your chances with Ecotricity.Arrive at Watford Gap services n/b on the limit of my range. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives 22 miles, enough to get to...
Leicester Forest n/b on the limit of range again. Fast charger goosed, 50 mins on slow gives me 20 miles, enough to get to...
Donington Services n/b. One (of three) fast chargers working but a queue of 3 cars already. No option but to wait. Depart 3 hours later.
Arrive at destination (Burton upon Trent) finally after taking 8 hours to get from Banbury, a journey which normally would take max 2 hours even in heavy traffic.
I'm lucky though that if I'm heading up the M1 I could do with a charge by Milton Keynes and there's the hub of 8 Polar and 4 Ionity rapids just off junction 14 and I can keep going quite a way past there.
But yes, if charging convenience is key then a Model 3 is about as good as it gets. Supercharging and then 100+kW on anyone else's CCS that supports it, or the regular 50kW ones that are all over the place.
Europa Jon said:
In say, 5 years' time when EVs are more mainstream and the early adopter novelty has worn off a bit, what will a 5 to 10 year-old Tesla be worth? Who would want to try to run a ten year old Model X, for example? I've never had a car with frameless door windows, but will the Teslas leak there as they start getting old? I don't think they'll do that well.
The above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
The games changed, this ain’t your mercbmwvag enforced obsolescence with the stupid led lights change half way through model life forcing depreciation and false inflation of prices backed by a rigged service structure all paid for on the never neverThe above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
The battery will lose hardly any noticeable range in that time and the car just needs new tyres
Of course you can already see vag and the others crippling their cars so not to remove a very lucrative income stream for the dealers
Europa Jon said:
In say, 5 years' time when EVs are more mainstream and the early adopter novelty has worn off a bit, what will a 5 to 10 year-old Tesla be worth? Who would want to try to run a ten year old Model X, for example? I've never had a car with frameless door windows, but will the Teslas leak there as they start getting old? I don't think they'll do that well.
The above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
There are already 10 year old Tesla's for sale in the US, good luck finding one for cheap though, Roadsters are appreciating.The above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
The Model S isn't far off 10 years old either, no idea what the used market is like in the US but they were introduced in 2014 here and you still need around £30k to get into one. As discussed on the iPace thread for some reason the X is going to be 4 years old soon in the UK, £50k is what you need roughly to get into one.
We plan to keep our X for at least 8 years, surprisingly the one bit of tech everyone gets worried about on it, the rear falcon wing doors, is probably the most robust bit of the car. As for the rest of the car who knows what it'll be like to run outside warranty but I'll report what I find.
The Nissan Leaf is coming up to 10 years old now, you need about £5k to get one. There aren't many nearly decade old family hatchbacks commanding £5k asking prices.
Oh many Tesla's leak when brand new, so you don't have to wait 10 years to find out about that
.Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 8th July 06:05
George Smiley said:
The games changed, this ain’t your mercbmwvag enforced obsolescence with the stupid led lights change half way through model life forcing depreciation and false inflation of prices backed by a rigged service structure all paid for on the never never
The battery will lose hardly any noticeable range in that time and the car just needs new tyres
Of course you can already see vag and the others crippling their cars so not to remove a very lucrative income stream for the dealers
You really have no ideaThe battery will lose hardly any noticeable range in that time and the car just needs new tyres
Of course you can already see vag and the others crippling their cars so not to remove a very lucrative income stream for the dealers
In the last few years Tesla changed the autopilot hardware 3 times, the motors twice, the MCU and suspension once. He car today is nothing like the car 4 years ago, at least with traditional manufacturers you know when the changes are coming, buy a Tesla today and they could knock 20% off the price tomorrow, launch a new superior battery, do something that makes your car out of date before you’ve taken delivery, all without warning, Ask buyers of P100D who lost 35k overnight.
Now google batterygate and chsrgegate fir the extensive stories of significant losses on battery capacity and throttled charge rates.
George Smiley said:
Europa Jon said:
In say, 5 years' time when EVs are more mainstream and the early adopter novelty has worn off a bit, what will a 5 to 10 year-old Tesla be worth? Who would want to try to run a ten year old Model X, for example? I've never had a car with frameless door windows, but will the Teslas leak there as they start getting old? I don't think they'll do that well.
The above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
The games changed, this ain’t your mercbmwvag enforced obsolescence with the stupid led lights change half way through model life forcing depreciation and false inflation of prices backed by a rigged service structure all paid for on the never neverThe above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
The battery will lose hardly any noticeable range in that time and the car just needs new tyres
Of course you can already see vag and the others crippling their cars so not to remove a very lucrative income stream for the dealers
Heres Johnny said:
You really have no idea
In the last few years Tesla changed the autopilot hardware 3 times, the motors twice, the MCU and suspension once. He car today is nothing like the car 4 years ago, at least with traditional manufacturers you know when the changes are coming, buy a Tesla today and they could knock 20% off the price tomorrow, launch a new superior battery, do something that makes your car out of date before you’ve taken delivery, all without warning, Ask buyers of P100D who lost 35k overnight.
Now google batterygate and chsrgegate fir the extensive stories of significant losses on battery capacity and throttled charge rates.
And you only ever tell half the story...In the last few years Tesla changed the autopilot hardware 3 times, the motors twice, the MCU and suspension once. He car today is nothing like the car 4 years ago, at least with traditional manufacturers you know when the changes are coming, buy a Tesla today and they could knock 20% off the price tomorrow, launch a new superior battery, do something that makes your car out of date before you’ve taken delivery, all without warning, Ask buyers of P100D who lost 35k overnight.
Now google batterygate and chsrgegate fir the extensive stories of significant losses on battery capacity and throttled charge rates.
The AP and MCU hardware is fully upgradable, how many manufacturers do that for their old cars.
Yes there is a new induction motor but that was introduced only recently where as the cars have been around since 2011.
The deprecation is also very spec specific, according to your own website my base X has depreciated by about £20k in over 3 years.
The charging and fire issues are much more serious but due to Tesla lawyers I doubt anyone will know the truth on bad those problems really are
.gangzoom said:
And you only ever tell half the story...
The AP and MCU hardware is fully upgradable, how many manufacturers do that for their old cars.
Yes there is a new induction motor but that was introduced only recently where as the cars have been around since 2011.
The deprecation is also very spec specific, according to your own website my base X has depreciated by about £20k in over 3 years.
The charging and fire issues are much more serious but due to Tesla lawyers I doubt anyone will know the truth on bad those problems really are.
Except NO MCU upgrades have been performed outside the US - you're living on the promise not the realityThe AP and MCU hardware is fully upgradable, how many manufacturers do that for their old cars.
Yes there is a new induction motor but that was introduced only recently where as the cars have been around since 2011.
The deprecation is also very spec specific, according to your own website my base X has depreciated by about £20k in over 3 years.
The charging and fire issues are much more serious but due to Tesla lawyers I doubt anyone will know the truth on bad those problems really are
.No HW2 upgrades performed anywhere - you're living on the promise not the reality, and to get it you need to pay £7k
The electric motor has been changed twice - the recent change is the permanent magnet, a few years ago it was change to the Infinion motor from the IR motor (option codes DU00, DU01 and now DU02 and DU03)
No half story, statements of fact
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