Which electric car

[stevecurtis]

I have been considering going electric having got myself half way by getting a Lexus UX hybrid two years ago. I have narrowed down to two both of which I have tested - the Tesla 3 performance or long range and the Jaguar iPace SE.
In order to give me the money to ack up my Lexus part-ex I have reluctantly had to put up my baby on the market. It is a Jaguar XKR 2015 reg i.e. oneof the last ones madewith only 19,750 n the clock so I have put it up on XKEC and Pistonheads for a reasonable price
As and when it is sold I will be looking to buy the electric but has anyone had experience of either of my options in termsof reliability?

Steve Curtis

[SWoll]

Best bet would be to post in the dedicated EV section as will get more useful feedback.

FYI we've had a Model 3 P since Dec 2019 and covered 8k miles without any issues. The Model 3 does appear better built and more reliable than the S/X but I'm sure there will be someone along shortly to tell you they fall apart and are constantly in for service based on something they read on the internet.

Very different car and ownership proposition to the iPace (which I test drove for a weekend) so depends what your priorities are.

[stevecurtis]

Thanks mate

[Fastlane]

You'd really need to give some more information on your situation and requirements in terms of what you need from the car, your mileage etc. If you are doing lots of long journeys, then a Tesla is far better/less hassle. Do you have an option of a company car as this option is very tax efficient? Do you want new or used?

If new, Drivethedeal are offering the i-Pace HSE for £62.6k vs a list of £74.4k. Another option is CarWow of course.

You won't get any discount on a Tesla but as the M3 Long Range gets the additional £3k grant as it lists under £50k, it is now much better value than the new Performance version.

My Model 3 Performance has had no problems over 15 months and 13k miles, apart from condensation in the rear lights. I have an Andersen charge point and am on the Octopus Go electricity rate, which means it costs pennies to run. My wife now has a Kona Electric, which is even cheaper to run (apart from it requires annual servicing, unlike the Tesla).

Edited by Fastlane on Friday 26th February 12:45

Edited by Fastlane on Friday 26th February 12:45

[stevecurtis]

I am looking for a low mileage used rather than new mainly to save giving 20% to the vatman. At present I have two cars including the XKR I am trying to sell and the intention is to just have one high quality electric As suchI will do more miles in the one car but probably less than 7000/year. I have tried the Tesla 3P and I could get used to the screen control. My first impression is that the iPace has better quality finishes but lower battery range and not so quick.
Selling the Jag will be painful but is needed to trigger the move

[Fastlane]

stevecurtis said:

I am looking for a low mileage used rather than new mainly to save giving 20% to the vatman. At present I have two cars including the XKR I am trying to sell and the intention is to just have one high quality electric As suchI will do more miles in the one car but probably less than 7000/year. I have tried the Tesla 3P and I could get used to the screen control. My first impression is that the iPace has better quality finishes but lower battery range and not so quick.
Selling the Jag will be painful but is needed to trigger the move

Fair enough. The iPace will feel much more special inside than any M3 (I test drove an iPace) and they are very quick for such a large car. For the price of a second hand iPace (c.£50k) you'd be able to get a new Tesla M3 Long Range with the advantage of the £3k government grant. Being the newer model, it is faster than the iPace, will have much better range than the iPace, will be far easier to take on long journeys, will not require any servicing to maintain the warranty and ultimately will most probably hold on to its value better.

You'd have to really want an iPace, in other words.

[jay2000]

VAT is paid one way or another so a second hand car has VAT included in the price. Dont forget if you need to reclaim tax as a company car, it is applicable for new cars only.

[JonnyVTEC]

The haunchs on the IPACE looking in the door mirrors will remind you of your XK.

[MOBB]

Have a look at the Polestar 2 also

I’ve had an M3P for 18 months and other than having to PDI the car myself when I got it, I’ve had zero issues at all

Yes the quality is lacking a bit in a few areas but they seem reliable, and they handle very nicely. And go like fk

Edited by MOBB on Friday 26th February 17:59

[NDA]

I recently bought a Model 3 - I've also owned a couple of XKR's, so feel your pain.

I chose the Tesla for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it is unashamedly a battery vehicle - not trying to be a halfway house in design terms. Secondly, the Tesla charging network - every other EV has to use a very ramshackle network of low powered, fragmented and often out of service chargers. It's pretty bad.

I would admit that I've rarely used the Tesla charging network! I charge overnight and rarely do over 300 miles in a day. But I know it's there.

Out of all the EV's out there, I'd probably still buy the Tesla - but then I do have other cars. If it was my only car? Maybe... but I'm less certain.

Build quality is fine on mine - no issues.

[ZesPak]

To me, it's a number's game.

I loved the I Pace when I drove it but I found it overpriced, the situation has changed now though as there are some mayor discounts available on it.
As mentioned before, the Model 3 LR is very good vfm and a good steer, coming from an ICE the range and charging network will give you peace of mind (even though it's mainly between the ears).

Iirc the TM3P and I Pace are actually very close together in price now and as a very happy Tesla owner... I'd probably have the I Pace. You give in on performance, tech and range though.

But as an EV, the TM3 is the best there is and the TM3LR is just a very good value.

[off_again]

ZesPak said:

To me, it's a number's game.

I loved the I Pace when I drove it but I found it overpriced, the situation has changed now though as there are some mayor discounts available on it.
As mentioned before, the Model 3 LR is very good vfm and a good steer, coming from an ICE the range and charging network will give you peace of mind (even though it's mainly between the ears).

Iirc the TM3P and I Pace are actually very close together in price now and as a very happy Tesla owner... I'd probably have the I Pace. You give in on performance, tech and range though.

But as an EV, the TM3 is the best there is and the TM3LR is just a very good value.

Fair comments - but, just want to ask a little more around the 'overpriced' comment for the i-pace. I think the same thing, since the SE and HSE models get thick into the $70k mark here in the US, which I think is overpriced for what it is. But does the potentially higher luxury feel and materials make up for it? What about after a couple of years with a second hand model? A 2020/21 model is $70k+, which I dont think is that competitive, but a 2019 HSE CPO with 15k miles is $54k. Thats a big drop, but is it a better price for that? Is a $50k car?

Just wondering your thoughts since you looked at both. I would argue the other way, that a M3 can be a $40k car and clearly can be a $60k in performance trim, but its not a $70k car. Just wondering as I might be in the market for a nicer EV this year.

[ZesPak]

In fairness when I did the numbers (early 2019) the I Pace was just released and both the I Pace and e tron were expensive VS the Tesla Model S (so I got a model S).
Against the much larger, faster and better equipped Model S it was just no contest.
However, the Model 3 even then was 80% of the Model S as a car for 60% of the price.

Leasing, options and discounts can do a lot in this so that's why I said it's a numbers game. If the numbers match for the TM3 and I Pace, I think I'd take the I Pace despite it being inferior on paper in just about every way, but I also have good relationship and experience with the local Jaguar dealership.
If the I Pace is more expensive, I think the realist in me would find it hard to justify the I Pace.

Both are amazing cars imho and I can't imagine anyone being disappointed with either.