Making evs drive like ice cars
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Milltek do an active sound generator exhaust. I saw it fitted to a Tesla at the Autosport show last year. I have to say I was a bit baffled, initially as to why they had a Tesla on an aftermarket exhaust stand, then why it even had exhaust pipes poking out the back.
Some guy 'started' it up and the child in me thought it sounded great. Real deep V8 grumble generated by speakers in the exhaust resonators and mapped somehow to the throttle. It revved and blipped and sort of did gearshift noises when accelerating on the video being shown.
Utterly pointless but quite effective. There's a few videos on youtube showing them.
Some guy 'started' it up and the child in me thought it sounded great. Real deep V8 grumble generated by speakers in the exhaust resonators and mapped somehow to the throttle. It revved and blipped and sort of did gearshift noises when accelerating on the video being shown.
Utterly pointless but quite effective. There's a few videos on youtube showing them.
biggles330d said:
Milltek do an active sound generator exhaust. I saw it fitted to a Tesla at the Autosport show last year. I have to say I was a bit baffled, initially as to why they had a Tesla on an aftermarket exhaust stand, then why it even had exhaust pipes poking out the back.
Some guy 'started' it up and the child in me thought it sounded great. Real deep V8 grumble generated by speakers in the exhaust resonators and mapped somehow to the throttle. It revved and blipped and sort of did gearshift noises when accelerating on the video being shown.
Utterly pointless but quite effective. There's a few videos on youtube showing them.
You can get an OBD2 dongle that transmits throttle pos/etc via Bluetooth to your phone. You then plug your phone into the Aux of your car's stereo and then you hear the sounds of various V8/V10/V12 supercars. Perfect: an engine note that only 'entertains' those inside the car. Some guy 'started' it up and the child in me thought it sounded great. Real deep V8 grumble generated by speakers in the exhaust resonators and mapped somehow to the throttle. It revved and blipped and sort of did gearshift noises when accelerating on the video being shown.
Utterly pointless but quite effective. There's a few videos on youtube showing them.
Er... not for me.
kambites said:
Some people introduce crackle onto MP3s to make them sound like vinyl. I suppose the proposal of this thread is broadly analagous.
Yup. Music producers you can use a computer plug-in to add wow and flutter, and even copy the crappy dynamic range that cassette tape had. Bl**dy hipsters...HustleRussell said:
Manual used to be quicker to 60 and faster top speed. Not any more.
Manual used to shift faster than auto, now DCT is considerably faster.
Manual used to be much more efficient than auto.
Automatic used to be much heavier than manual, this has decreased to the point of insignificance with the high overall weight of cars these days.
Automatic used to carry an increased risk of unreliability but nowadays they generally last the life of the car.
Automatic used to have fewer ratios than Manual but now it’s the other way around.
Manual used to be the only way to get the gear you want when you want it- no more.
Hill starts used to be a pain with some autos- fixed.
All of my cars have been manual, and I have no intention of buying an auto of any kind for as long as I can put it off...
My 15 yr old E91 has hill start and is a manual. Manual used to shift faster than auto, now DCT is considerably faster.
Manual used to be much more efficient than auto.
Automatic used to be much heavier than manual, this has decreased to the point of insignificance with the high overall weight of cars these days.
Automatic used to carry an increased risk of unreliability but nowadays they generally last the life of the car.
Automatic used to have fewer ratios than Manual but now it’s the other way around.
Manual used to be the only way to get the gear you want when you want it- no more.
Hill starts used to be a pain with some autos- fixed.
All of my cars have been manual, and I have no intention of buying an auto of any kind for as long as I can put it off...
I think what you are describing is the dumbing down ( did anyone say Ambiwlans?
) of vehicle controls. Auto parking, park assist, auto brakes, lane control, adaptive cruise. Etc etc etc. Or is this just the removal of human interaction, so when the autonomous side of things kicks in the drivers of the day will open arms (literally) in acceptance. To think this site began as a TVR club, whose cars demand concentration adorned with few whistles and bells.
Gary C said:
SWoll said:
The 10:1 ratio suggests the demand was very much already there.
Amazing what marketing will do, isn't it.Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 2nd March 09:07
Her comment upon her return was ‘why would anyone drive a manual and why do you want to have 2 other cars that are still manual’
That was 12 years ago. We’ve been on numerous road trips since then. She gets why I like cars with a manual gearbox and engines that aren’t 4-pot turbos, but doesn’t care about driving them herself.
Same for all of my friends who aren’t into cars. None of them would consider a manual gearbox these days because they see it as pointless. All have done so because they tried an auto and preferred it.
A coupe are on the fence. I lent one of them a heavily modified BMW 130i a couple of years ago. Said that he’d forgotten what it was like to enjoy driving a car. Now drives an SUV.
People aren’t buying EVs or auto boxes because they’ve been influenced by marketing, it’s because they don’t care about cars beyond their ability to move them from place to place.
smallredball said:
Vantagemech.. said:
To think this site began as a TVR club, whose cars demand concentration adorned with few whistles and bells.
When this site started, you couldn't buy EVs that accelerated well, had decent range and specs from basic-to-luxury. Time change.
NDNDNDND said:
smallredball said:
Vantagemech.. said:
To think this site began as a TVR club, whose cars demand concentration adorned with few whistles and bells.
When this site started, you couldn't buy EVs that accelerated well, had decent range and specs from basic-to-luxury. Time change. Not all car purchases need be so ... masochistic.My point was that he is living in the past, a past where EVs were not a compelling private car purchase.
HustleRussell said:
Kawasicki said:
HustleRussell said:
Automatic and semi-automatic are increasing in popularity because today’s technology has removed all of the disadvantages which used to exist compared to manuals.
That’s hardly true is it? All of the disadvantages haven’t been removed.Manual used to shift faster than auto, now DCT is considerably faster.
Manual used to be much more efficient than auto.
Automatic used to be much heavier than manual, this has decreased to the point of insignificance with the high overall weight of cars these days.
Automatic used to carry an increased risk of unreliability but nowadays they generally last the life of the car.
Automatic used to have fewer ratios than Manual but now it’s the other way around.
Manual used to be the only way to get the gear you want when you want it- no more.
Hill starts used to be a pain with some autos- fixed.
All of my cars have been manual, and I have no intention of buying an auto of any kind for as long as I can put it off...
If you like Autos, buy and drive them, just don’t state manuals are worse at everything.
smallredball said:
NDNDNDND said:
smallredball said:
Vantagemech.. said:
To think this site began as a TVR club, whose cars demand concentration adorned with few whistles and bells.
When this site started, you couldn't buy EVs that accelerated well, had decent range and specs from basic-to-luxury. Time change. Not all car purchases need be so ... masochistic.My point was that he is living in the past, a past where EVs were not a compelling private car purchase.
As for living in the past, not everyone wants their car to be a motorised smart phone. That's not 'living in the past', that's 'liking different things'.
NDNDNDND said:
smallredball said:
NDNDNDND said:
smallredball said:
Vantagemech.. said:
To think this site began as a TVR club, whose cars demand concentration adorned with few whistles and bells.
When this site started, you couldn't buy EVs that accelerated well, had decent range and specs from basic-to-luxury. Time change. Not all car purchases need be so ... masochistic.My point was that he is living in the past, a past where EVs were not a compelling private car purchase.
As for living in the past, not everyone wants their car to be a motorised smart phone. That's not 'living in the past', that's 'liking different things'.
I see EV at the moment the equivalent of Plasma TV when CRT were still around. So thin, so light, so big. So bloody expensive and a picture that wasn't quite as good. Move on 15 years and LCD, curved screens, hell they're even in cars now.... I will wait a bit longer.
For me it's not getting to the horizon the fastest, it's how much fun is it.
Along with being able to stick it on a ramp and repair it myself. I doubt many of the owners of EV's even consider servicing their own cars, even if they could.
Yes I'm aware times change, 30 odd years in the motor trade/ Motorsport I've seen a bit.
Doesn't mean every one of them have been a winner or achieved its design brief. Reinventing the wheel is a popular one, but only time will tell if it works or not. The fact that friend of mine has aeroplanes and cars 75 years old+ shows they might have been basic but are both repairable long lived.
Edited by Vantagemech.. on Thursday 4th March 09:02
The Kona EV rally car has an interesting sound track.
I think in the end, we are not going to have EV's drive like ICE (even though it would be fun), but equally we don't have to have all EV's drive like Zoe's.
As the market expands and niches are filled, its going to be interesting.
But, there is still no EV on sale that I would buy.
I think in the end, we are not going to have EV's drive like ICE (even though it would be fun), but equally we don't have to have all EV's drive like Zoe's.
As the market expands and niches are filled, its going to be interesting.
But, there is still no EV on sale that I would buy.
Vantagemech.. said:
Fine, I live in the past, I have friends that own vintage cars with chain drive and rod brakes. It takes a certain amount of dexterity and skill to drive a manual well and a feel for what the car is doing.
I see EV at the moment the equivalent of Plasma TV when CRT were still around. So thin, so light, so big. So bloody expensive and a picture that wasn't quite as good. Move on 15 years and LCD, curved screens, hell they're even in cars now.... I will wait a bit longer.
For me it's not getting to the horizon the fastest, it's how much fun is it.
Along with being able to stick it on a ramp and repair it myself. I doubt many of the owners of EV's even consider servicing their own cars, even if they could.
Yes I'm aware times change, 30 odd years in the motor trade/ Motorsport I've seen a bit.
Doesn't mean every one of them have been a winner or achieved its design brief. Reinventing the wheel is a popular one, but only time will tell if it works or not. The fact that friend of mine has aeroplanes and cars 75 years old+ shows they might have been basic but are both repairable long lived.
There are 100+year old electric cars stil around. There are even 90 year old electric Bugattis.I see EV at the moment the equivalent of Plasma TV when CRT were still around. So thin, so light, so big. So bloody expensive and a picture that wasn't quite as good. Move on 15 years and LCD, curved screens, hell they're even in cars now.... I will wait a bit longer.
For me it's not getting to the horizon the fastest, it's how much fun is it.
Along with being able to stick it on a ramp and repair it myself. I doubt many of the owners of EV's even consider servicing their own cars, even if they could.
Yes I'm aware times change, 30 odd years in the motor trade/ Motorsport I've seen a bit.
Doesn't mean every one of them have been a winner or achieved its design brief. Reinventing the wheel is a popular one, but only time will tell if it works or not. The fact that friend of mine has aeroplanes and cars 75 years old+ shows they might have been basic but are both repairable long lived.
Edited by Vantagemech.. on Thursday 4th March 09:02
What about electric cars makes them hard to service compared with modern internal combustion cars? They seem to have fewer service items?
Edited by AnotherClarkey on Thursday 4th March 10:04
NDNDNDND said:
My point was (quite obviously) that this is a car enthusiast forum, where people choose cars for emotional and not necessarily logical reasons.
As for living in the past, not everyone wants their car to be a motorised smart phone. That's not 'living in the past', that's 'liking different things'.
1 - The fact that there are people on PH who are enthusiastic about EVs ought to tell you something. Some of us are enthusiastic about both heavily-automatic EV and heavily-manual ICE cars. I'm so enthusastic about the joy of driving performance cars that I wouldn't ever buy a TVR. Currently I've got an 8000-rpm mid-engined car in the garage - I'm honest about what I like it for and what I don't.As for living in the past, not everyone wants their car to be a motorised smart phone. That's not 'living in the past', that's 'liking different things'.
2 - 'liking different things' - exactly, but you're making my argument for me. Vantagefella can't accept that car enthusiasts like the effectively instant and constant torque of an EV; it's an undeniable performance benefit. Instead he says - with zero experience - that they are all 'white goods'. And now you've added 'motorised smart phone' as an attempt to belittle them.
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