Porsche Taycan
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To say acquiring the above was a joy would be an understatement but the practicalities are concerning not least because of porsche themselves.
I was due to travel to london and enquired of Porsche (West London)about a software update( Not possible until July or August) and could I get a charge on my way into central london.
Answer eventually was no all chargers broken and they appeared unable to assist as to alternatives.
Just makes me so angry at this level of support. given what i spent .
I am now travelling by train !!!
I was due to travel to london and enquired of Porsche (West London)about a software update( Not possible until July or August) and could I get a charge on my way into central london.
Answer eventually was no all chargers broken and they appeared unable to assist as to alternatives.
Just makes me so angry at this level of support. given what i spent .
I am now travelling by train !!!
I think it's not going to be an uncommon problem for a while yet.
The OP most likely isn't all EV savvied up... and as such has likely mentally decided to rely on Porsche dealerships to provide charging while on the road.
So if that's not working, and the OP isn't all EV prepped, it's a good job he called first, and didn't run out of juice on the way.
We're now entering a phase where rather than trying to persuade people to buy an EV by showing them zap map etc, they've already bought it, and they need help knowing about it after the fact.
The OP most likely isn't all EV savvied up... and as such has likely mentally decided to rely on Porsche dealerships to provide charging while on the road.
So if that's not working, and the OP isn't all EV prepped, it's a good job he called first, and didn't run out of juice on the way.
We're now entering a phase where rather than trying to persuade people to buy an EV by showing them zap map etc, they've already bought it, and they need help knowing about it after the fact.
Top Gear, Chris Harris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IndX2vzdDEM
2:46
"How far behind in years the market felt Volkswagen[1] was from Tesla, and it was, you know, 7 or 8 years, I think, or maybe even more. And I believe it."
4:32
"I think in the next year I'll have an electric car, I don't know which one it will be. Heart says I'd love to have a Taycan to drive, but right now you'd have to have a Model 3, because it's got the network."
Michael B
(ex-Porsche, Audi, etc owner)
[1] VAG... Porsche, Audi, Skoda, Seat, whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IndX2vzdDEM
2:46
"How far behind in years the market felt Volkswagen[1] was from Tesla, and it was, you know, 7 or 8 years, I think, or maybe even more. And I believe it."
4:32
"I think in the next year I'll have an electric car, I don't know which one it will be. Heart says I'd love to have a Taycan to drive, but right now you'd have to have a Model 3, because it's got the network."
Michael B
(ex-Porsche, Audi, etc owner)
[1] VAG... Porsche, Audi, Skoda, Seat, whatever.
DMZ said:
ajap1979 said:
BMW eventually got sick to death of me ringing every time I needed petrol and asking where I could find some. Terrible service.
It seems Tesla owners can rely on Tesla for their fuel so maybe it’s reasonable to assume other manufacturers provide a similar service?Im still a bit confused as to what the OP’s problem is to be honest?
Edited by chrispmartha on Wednesday 14th April 06:49
DMZ said:
It seems Tesla owners can rely on Tesla for their fuel so maybe it’s reasonable to assume other manufacturers provide a similar service?
Surely anyone who knows enough about Tesla to understand the supercharger network, must know enough about EVs in general to know about the generic public charging network? kambites said:
DMZ said:
It seems Tesla owners can rely on Tesla for their fuel so maybe it’s reasonable to assume other manufacturers provide a similar service?
Surely anyone who knows enough about Tesla to understand the supercharger network, must know enough about EVs in general to know about the generic public charging network? LordFlathead said:
Or lack of it.
Rubbish look up IONITY and Instavolt for a start. You can get about pretty easily even without a Tesla now. Tesla still lead the way in terms of satnav figuring it all out for you. Turn up plug in walk off no worry if it will work.
I have been pretty negative about my Model S on here but you have to give it to them the network just works. 5 years going all over Europe in mine and I have only seen 1 stall not working ever.
Take a look at this video
https://youtu.be/GUQEsgFIy6k
The guy is one of the more respected independents dealing mainly in Tesla, he's as Tesla as you get in general terms but he's also not blinkered. His review on the state of public infrastructure beyond Tesla (it comes after the etron review) isn't that bad at all and my interpretation of his conclusion (as he can go round in circles a bit) is basically first time you use a new network it takes a bit of effort to understand them, but otherwise there is plenty of choice and availability.
https://youtu.be/GUQEsgFIy6k
The guy is one of the more respected independents dealing mainly in Tesla, he's as Tesla as you get in general terms but he's also not blinkered. His review on the state of public infrastructure beyond Tesla (it comes after the etron review) isn't that bad at all and my interpretation of his conclusion (as he can go round in circles a bit) is basically first time you use a new network it takes a bit of effort to understand them, but otherwise there is plenty of choice and availability.
I'm sure it's improving but on the few occasions we have needed to use superchargers whilst on longer trips my abiding memory is of seeing numerous other BEV/Hybrids sat waiting for access to a small number of chargers in the same location.
When we had our i3 it happened to us a few times, along with a decent % of chargers either being inaccessible or faulty on arrival. Not had that issue with the Tesla once in 18 months.
Watching the video, Ionity sounds like a nightmare. Expensive for >50kW, multiple attempts to charge and £200 locked in your bank account for the privilege.
When we had our i3 it happened to us a few times, along with a decent % of chargers either being inaccessible or faulty on arrival. Not had that issue with the Tesla once in 18 months.
Watching the video, Ionity sounds like a nightmare. Expensive for >50kW, multiple attempts to charge and £200 locked in your bank account for the privilege.
Heres Johnny said:
basically first time you use a new network it takes a bit of effort to understand them, but otherwise there is plenty of choice and availability.
Exactly this. And for all the song and dance about "everything should use contactless", getting set up with apps or cards does have some advantages, one of which is avoiding any need for pre-auth. A petrol station with pay at pump pre-auths a good chunk of money before you fill up too. I do Ionity through my Octopus card, no faffing and it comes off my home energy bill.With the Taycan, I thought they came with 3 years of "Porsche Charging Service" which includes discounted Ionity and access to other networks too. Dealership / handover failure if they're not aware of it.
https://www.porsche.com/uk/aboutporsche/e-performa...
sjg said:
Heres Johnny said:
basically first time you use a new network it takes a bit of effort to understand them, but otherwise there is plenty of choice and availability.
Exactly this. And for all the song and dance about "everything should use contactless", getting set up with apps or cards does have some advantages, one of which is avoiding any need for pre-auth. A petrol station with pay at pump pre-auths a good chunk of money before you fill up too. I do Ionity through my Octopus card, no faffing and it comes off my home energy bill.With the Taycan, I thought they came with 3 years of "Porsche Charging Service" which includes discounted Ionity and access to other networks too. Dealership / handover failure if they're not aware of it.
https://www.porsche.com/uk/aboutporsche/e-performa...
I find it funny that one minute the range is big enough that people barely need to use rapid chargers and then the next some of the rapid chargers are eye wateringly expensive so you would never buy an EV that needs to use them. If its once in a while it might be a bit expensive, but then its once in a while, and whats an extra £5 charging a car thats depreciating by £500 or more each month? Most people will spend that on the coffee they buy while charging.
A lot of these new rapids aren't next to Tesla superchargers, Motorway services tend ot have a couple of ectoricity chargers which are well known for being rubbish although they've struck a deal to get them all replaced and uprated. So if your only experience is driving to a Tesla supercharger and watching ecotricity then of course you'll have seen the worst of it. The various videos Richard has made including driving an ID4 from Scotland had no issues at all finding suitable rapids on route. Even the Tesla owners who set the Lands End to John O Groats only used 1 supercharger on the 4 stops they needed.
Can only speak from personal experience but find that for longer trips the UK motorway network is where I spend most of my time and the place I would expect to see plenty of third party charging availability and options, especially fr dealing with busier periods like Bank Holidays etc. Planning a detour into a town en-route in order to charge is not what I would consider convenient.
The record attempt was set during lockdown, through the quietest hours of the night and charging was done based on the vehicle getting down to 5% battery in order to maximise charging speeds upto 60% SOC, hence the use of whatever rapid charger fitted that usage pattern for the trip planned. Not sure it tells us anything about the availability or quality of third party charging TBH.
TBH I really hope you are right as despite only needing public charging infrequently it would be good to know things are improving rapidly as would remove any lingering doubts about moving to another brand as have no particular allegiance to Tesla, they just appear to offer the best overall EV experience at present.
The record attempt was set during lockdown, through the quietest hours of the night and charging was done based on the vehicle getting down to 5% battery in order to maximise charging speeds upto 60% SOC, hence the use of whatever rapid charger fitted that usage pattern for the trip planned. Not sure it tells us anything about the availability or quality of third party charging TBH.
TBH I really hope you are right as despite only needing public charging infrequently it would be good to know things are improving rapidly as would remove any lingering doubts about moving to another brand as have no particular allegiance to Tesla, they just appear to offer the best overall EV experience at present.
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