Electric Bus Stranded
Discussion
silentbrown said:
Max_Torque said:
You probably don't realise it, but the UK is covered by a network of heavy recovery services that spend a huge amount of time and effort recovering buses when they have broken!
Can you tow an EV, though? 
The Spruce Goose said:
you laugh, but the bus says ''ZERO carbon tour..''
Go on enlighten me on this? (Hint 45% of UK electricity supply are Fossil fuels and don't mention tariffs)
You're right, it's false advertising. Just as all the CO2/km numbers are. The bus isn't responsible for the way electricity is generated though.Go on enlighten me on this? (Hint 45% of UK electricity supply are Fossil fuels and don't mention tariffs)
But I agree, they should tax cars on what it costs to actually power them rather than tailpipe emissions.
I'm also fairly certain that most ICE drivers won't agree with the result of that tax shift though.
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On topic: looks like this would be a combination of something wrong with the bus and two of the chargers not working, that would explain the other 3 where it recognized the bus but not charging?
Edited by ZesPak on Tuesday 15th June 09:13
ZesPak said:
You're right, it's false advertising. Just as all the CO2/km numbers are. The bus isn't responsible for the way electricity is generated though.
Highlights a misconception in electricity use being carbon neutral, or greener. Also the Grid in the Summer will be very reliant of fossil fuels for the next 50 years.gaseous clay said:
If it regens you can probably charge it by towing
you can charge an EV by towing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaGVoB4Zn-Y
The Spruce Goose said:
ZesPak said:
You're right, it's false advertising. Just as all the CO2/km numbers are. The bus isn't responsible for the way electricity is generated though.
Highlights a misconception in electricity use being carbon neutral, or greener. Also the Grid in the Summer will be very reliant of fossil fuels for the next 50 years.Just like the Brexit bus wasn't going to deliver £350m a week.
The Spruce Goose said:
ZesPak said:
You're right, it's false advertising. Just as all the CO2/km numbers are. The bus isn't responsible for the way electricity is generated though.
Highlights a misconception in electricity use being carbon neutral, or greener. Also the Grid in the Summer will be very reliant of fossil fuels for the next 50 years.So you'll probably say your car does 28 mpg. You know, to avoid misconceptions?
Edited by ZesPak on Tuesday 15th June 13:42
Evanivitch said:
Boxbrownie said:
It’s is interesting that three of the points recognised the coach but the coach did not charge….maybe more fault with the coach software than the points?
Bit of both. CCS standard is poorly defined, too many automotive companies have poorly interrupted it and left it upto the charging company to resolve with a workaround.It's classic day 1 issue with new EVs on the market.
Munter said:
Evanivitch said:
Boxbrownie said:
It’s is interesting that three of the points recognised the coach but the coach did not charge….maybe more fault with the coach software than the points?
Bit of both. CCS standard is poorly defined, too many automotive companies have poorly interrupted it and left it upto the charging company to resolve with a workaround.It's classic day 1 issue with new EVs on the market.
Fortunately, most cars and most chargers have network access, OTA or remote access, which means the fix can be implemented without a man-in-vam scenario!
Evanivitch said:
Munter said:
Evanivitch said:
Boxbrownie said:
It’s is interesting that three of the points recognised the coach but the coach did not charge….maybe more fault with the coach software than the points?
Bit of both. CCS standard is poorly defined, too many automotive companies have poorly interrupted it and left it upto the charging company to resolve with a workaround.It's classic day 1 issue with new EVs on the market.
Fortunately, most cars and most chargers have network access, OTA or remote access, which means the fix can be implemented without a man-in-vam scenario!
Anyhoo there is no doubt at all it was a publicity stunt, I wonder if the bus manufacturer is happy about it?
Boxbrownie said:
But as above, it seems my suspicions could be correct, maybe it was just the buses software if it needed changing/updating for the U.K. charging infrastructure.
Anyhoo there is no doubt at all it was a publicity stunt, I wonder if the bus manufacturer is happy about it?
That seems unlikely as the coach is two years old and I travelled on it in September 2019 so it clearly has been charged numerous times. Anyhoo there is no doubt at all it was a publicity stunt, I wonder if the bus manufacturer is happy about it?
Yutong (the manufacturer) and Pelican (the UK importer) are both very experienced and have sold dozens of electric buses in the UK so I don't think they'd make any fundamental mistake here.
Having said that, it still looks like some kind of PR stunt.
mabosh said:
That seems unlikely as the coach is two years old and I travelled on it in September 2019 so it clearly has been charged numerous times.
Yutong (the manufacturer) and Pelican (the UK importer) are both very experienced and have sold dozens of electric buses in the UK so I don't think they'd make any fundamental mistake here.
Having said that, it still looks like some kind of PR stunt.
Rapid charged? Or just AC charger at depot? There's a world of difference.Yutong (the manufacturer) and Pelican (the UK importer) are both very experienced and have sold dozens of electric buses in the UK so I don't think they'd make any fundamental mistake here.
Having said that, it still looks like some kind of PR stunt.
Even the mainstream manufacturers find issues when they release cars. Many of the charger manufacturers share hardware, but they clearly don't test across the entire network.
Evanivitch said:
mabosh said:
That seems unlikely as the coach is two years old and I travelled on it in September 2019 so it clearly has been charged numerous times.
Yutong (the manufacturer) and Pelican (the UK importer) are both very experienced and have sold dozens of electric buses in the UK so I don't think they'd make any fundamental mistake here.
Having said that, it still looks like some kind of PR stunt.
Rapid charged? Or just AC charger at depot? There's a world of difference.Yutong (the manufacturer) and Pelican (the UK importer) are both very experienced and have sold dozens of electric buses in the UK so I don't think they'd make any fundamental mistake here.
Having said that, it still looks like some kind of PR stunt.
Even the mainstream manufacturers find issues when they release cars. Many of the charger manufacturers share hardware, but they clearly don't test across the entire network.
But you make a very valid point. Electric buses and coaches will obviously normally use dedicated chargers at the depot rather than rely on the public/semi public network.
There is an operator up here bravely running two of these coaches on an Edinburgh to Dundee service. There is only one rapid charger they can use at Dundee (marked out for their use but nothing to stop someone blocking it). They run a round trip and charge each time it reaches Dundee, resulting in a very oddly spaced timetable.
More than once there has been an issue with the charger or access to it and a diesel coach has had to be hired in.
Lothian Buses bought six electric single deckers in 2017 that have been a disaster. Even before lockdown last year only one was on the road. A unique design though and a different manufacturer to the one here.
mabosh said:
Not entirely sure, but I suspect this particular coach will normally be AC charged at the depot. It is operated by Westway.
But you make a very valid point. Electric buses and coaches will obviously normally use dedicated chargers at the depot rather than rely on the public/semi public network.
There is an operator up here bravely running two of these coaches on an Edinburgh to Dundee service. There is only one rapid charger they can use at Dundee (marked out for their use but nothing to stop someone blocking it). They run a round trip and charge each time it reaches Dundee, resulting in a very oddly spaced timetable.
More than once there has been an issue with the charger or access to it and a diesel coach has had to be hired in.
Lothian Buses bought six electric single deckers in 2017 that have been a disaster. Even before lockdown last year only one was on the road. A unique design though and a different manufacturer to the one here.
Which is why I suspected the bus itself has not been fully updated to be made compatible with rapid charging infrastructure, there were too many similar issues on that particular journey to be just infrastructure related.But you make a very valid point. Electric buses and coaches will obviously normally use dedicated chargers at the depot rather than rely on the public/semi public network.
There is an operator up here bravely running two of these coaches on an Edinburgh to Dundee service. There is only one rapid charger they can use at Dundee (marked out for their use but nothing to stop someone blocking it). They run a round trip and charge each time it reaches Dundee, resulting in a very oddly spaced timetable.
More than once there has been an issue with the charger or access to it and a diesel coach has had to be hired in.
Lothian Buses bought six electric single deckers in 2017 that have been a disaster. Even before lockdown last year only one was on the road. A unique design though and a different manufacturer to the one here.
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