I saw a parked iPace so went to a dealership
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Zcd1 said:
Here’s an example of the difference between the iPace’s road tripping ability and a Model Y, for instance, for a 400-mile journey:
IPace (1 hour 58 minutes of charging time/3 stops)
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=808d19f...
Model Y LR: (42 minutes of charging time/2 stops)
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=689e7da...
TLDR;
iPace requires more than 3X the charging time, and adds 1:15 to the trip elapsed time of what’s otherwise a 6.5 hour trip.
That doesn't fit with my calculations. No need for iPace to do 3 stops is there?IPace (1 hour 58 minutes of charging time/3 stops)
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=808d19f...
Model Y LR: (42 minutes of charging time/2 stops)
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=689e7da...
TLDR;
iPace requires more than 3X the charging time, and adds 1:15 to the trip elapsed time of what’s otherwise a 6.5 hour trip.
Plus the iPace is such a great car to drive and sit in for all those hours.
Zcd1 said:
LOL - have you ever used that "crummy app"?
I (and many others) have, for years, and its predictions are amazingly accurate.
Charger type and spacing directly affects every EV road trip.
LOL- yes.I (and many others) have, for years, and its predictions are amazingly accurate.
Charger type and spacing directly affects every EV road trip.
I even had the premium to link to CarPlay whilst paying a subscription to Tronity for real time SoC and consumption back to ABRP… the charge speed is based on max speed, the locations seemed obscure and I didn’t like the GUI to understand which chargers it was actually suggesting.
I found the in car system much more straight forward and logical and use zap map to plan based on more recent feedback of use.
Next.
oop north said:
The Jaguar app was vastly better than the rubbish the Volvo C40 has - the iPace app showed journey and consumption history and location and ability to lock and unlock and pre-heat / cool remotely, but the Volvo is missing most of that.
[I hope that a software update will fix but the C40 doesn't have any odometer reading of total distance traveled which is barking mad - and may even be illegal? But my wife prefers to the C40 to the Jag - and I like it still having 400bhp
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Odd. Our 2020 V60 cross country has all of those app features and more. [I hope that a software update will fix but the C40 doesn't have any odometer reading of total distance traveled which is barking mad - and may even be illegal? But my wife prefers to the C40 to the Jag - and I like it still having 400bhp
]JonnyVTEC said:
LOL- yes.
I even had the premium to link to CarPlay whilst paying a subscription to Tronity for real time SoC and consumption back to ABRP… the charge speed is based on max speed, the locations seemed obscure and I didn’t like the GUI to understand which chargers it was actually suggesting.
I found the in car system much more straight forward and logical and use zap map to plan based on more recent feedback of use.
Next.
Bummer for you.I even had the premium to link to CarPlay whilst paying a subscription to Tronity for real time SoC and consumption back to ABRP… the charge speed is based on max speed, the locations seemed obscure and I didn’t like the GUI to understand which chargers it was actually suggesting.
I found the in car system much more straight forward and logical and use zap map to plan based on more recent feedback of use.
Next.
When I enter the variables accurately, it's been dead-on accurate for my car.
Can't use the in-car system to plan route options unless actually sitting in the car....
Discombobulate said:
That doesn't fit with my calculations. No need for iPace to do 3 stops is there?
Plus the iPace is such a great car to drive and sit in for all those hours.
People commentingPlus the iPace is such a great car to drive and sit in for all those hours.
"...but but but the car does 250 miles so why would it need to stop more often??"
...are either trolling or have never driven an EV on a long-distance trip.
Zcd1 said:
Discombobulate said:
That doesn't fit with my calculations. No need for iPace to do 3 stops is there?
Plus the iPace is such a great car to drive and sit in for all those hours.
People commentingPlus the iPace is such a great car to drive and sit in for all those hours.
"...but but but the car does 250 miles so why would it need to stop more often??"
...are either trolling or have never driven an EV on a long-distance trip.
Mine does an easy 230 without any effort and with a little care does 250. Others in this very thread report the same.
For the sake of transparency, on motorways I typically slip in behind a truck and let the car drive itself. If you instead cruise control 80 in the fast lane, no chance.
TheDeuce said:
Not sure where you're coming from. There's loads of EV's that can do 250. Obviously you have to reduce motorway speeds and it's a different story in the winter.. but it's not that unusual at all.
Mine does an easy 230 without any effort and with a little care does 250. Others in this very thread report the same.
For the sake of transparency, on motorways I typically slip in behind a truck and let the car drive itself. If you instead cruise control 80 in the fast lane, no chance.
That's not the point. If you're road tripping, it's extremely time-inefficient to go from 100-0 percent. WILL the car do 250 miles without stopping? Probably, if you're careful, but that's not the way to make good time if the trip is more than 250 miles. Mine does an easy 230 without any effort and with a little care does 250. Others in this very thread report the same.
For the sake of transparency, on motorways I typically slip in behind a truck and let the car drive itself. If you instead cruise control 80 in the fast lane, no chance.
dmsims said:
Meanwhile in the real world 
the real world range is well under 200 miles
that and the inexcuseably crap charge curve and you have a clusterf
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Real world range varies. The current real world range (“current” meaning because it is spring/summer) in mine is 250 miles if I took it from 100-0%.the real world range is well under 200 miles
that and the inexcuseably crap charge curve and you have a clusterf
kdmsims said:
Meanwhile in the real world
the real world range is well under 200 miles
that and the inexcuseably crap charge curve and you have a clusterfk
Honestly it’s not. Forget quoting that bjorn guy who hasn’t lived with one. Honestly it’s comedy forums for stuff like this -second time today infact. It’s a 200 mile car, I can say that after 20k miles the real world range is well under 200 miles
that and the inexcuseably crap charge curve and you have a clusterf
kReal world references requires you to have the car and not regurgitate info whilst forming a view that you are now sticking too.
83kWh (pessimistic) usable using my average for May so far gives 230miles.
Anyway good luck to the OP.
Edited by JonnyVTEC on Thursday 19th May 23:00
Zcd1 said:
TheDeuce said:
Not sure where you're coming from. There's loads of EV's that can do 250. Obviously you have to reduce motorway speeds and it's a different story in the winter.. but it's not that unusual at all.
Mine does an easy 230 without any effort and with a little care does 250. Others in this very thread report the same.
For the sake of transparency, on motorways I typically slip in behind a truck and let the car drive itself. If you instead cruise control 80 in the fast lane, no chance.
That's not the point. If you're road tripping, it's extremely time-inefficient to go from 100-0 percent. WILL the car do 250 miles without stopping? Probably, if you're careful, but that's not the way to make good time if the trip is more than 250 miles. Mine does an easy 230 without any effort and with a little care does 250. Others in this very thread report the same.
For the sake of transparency, on motorways I typically slip in behind a truck and let the car drive itself. If you instead cruise control 80 in the fast lane, no chance.
And who cares about time? A road trip is a journey. Find a couple of places en route to look at and charge nearby.
If you just want to go a to b in the shortest possible time my advice would be to catch a train or buy a diesel. Or, to be fair, a Tesla.
For the 95% that hardly ever drive 400 miles in a stint, buy an EV you adore and don't worry about the finer points of charging etc. The same way some people love a supercar despite it requiring more refuelling on a long trip than a hatchback. Car choice for the sake of how the car makes you feel should be main factor - at least on pistonheads.
OP here. As with all marques and models, there will always be those in favour and those who aren't. The charging/distance/curve thing for me is irrelevant. I currently drive a 5.2l V10. All electric cars will knock the efficiency of that into a cocked hat!
My life consists of driving a Transit van five days a week. My wife's car is a Macan. She drives 50 miles a day, mostly urban, and spends £100 per week on petrol. My 'classic' car is a 1933 Rolls, which might as well have a hole in the bottom of the petrol tank! Saturdays and Sundays consist mainly of a little local driving, and sometimes we might go to our bolt hole at the coast which is around 70 miles away with off street parking. In a nutshell, anything around 200 miles to a full charge is likely to be 3x as much as I need in my world, and if on the very rare occasion I need to do some serious mileage, it'll need planning or there's the Macan.
Of all the EVs, the Jag is the best looking for me by miles. The car I might buy is a stunning new HSE with best part of £8k worth of extras. I 'think' it will make me very happy.
My life consists of driving a Transit van five days a week. My wife's car is a Macan. She drives 50 miles a day, mostly urban, and spends £100 per week on petrol. My 'classic' car is a 1933 Rolls, which might as well have a hole in the bottom of the petrol tank! Saturdays and Sundays consist mainly of a little local driving, and sometimes we might go to our bolt hole at the coast which is around 70 miles away with off street parking. In a nutshell, anything around 200 miles to a full charge is likely to be 3x as much as I need in my world, and if on the very rare occasion I need to do some serious mileage, it'll need planning or there's the Macan.
Of all the EVs, the Jag is the best looking for me by miles. The car I might buy is a stunning new HSE with best part of £8k worth of extras. I 'think' it will make me very happy.
In all the arguments over range, I do wonder why people cannot understand that others can have perfectly valid different experiences. Just because one person can get 250 miles out of their ipace does not mean that is possible in any ipace. The kind of roads your drive on, the way you drive, the weather and the car itself all affect range
My April 2019-registered ipace managed a range of around 250 miles in one week of three years and 29,000 miles (due to good weather and a holiday in north Yorkshire with sweeping a roads not the narrow twistier where I live). Normal summer range was 220 and winter 170-180.
Around a year ago (May be a fair bit longer than that don’t really remember) Steve Cropley wrote in Autocar about having an iPace for a week that Jaguar told him had been updated with improved efficiency and he reported much better range than he previously experienced in earlier iPaces. Jaguar never really publicised this and I never saw any comment anywhere else - but people with cars new since then do seem to have better range and efficiency than drivers with earlier cars
My April 2019-registered ipace managed a range of around 250 miles in one week of three years and 29,000 miles (due to good weather and a holiday in north Yorkshire with sweeping a roads not the narrow twistier where I live). Normal summer range was 220 and winter 170-180.
Around a year ago (May be a fair bit longer than that don’t really remember) Steve Cropley wrote in Autocar about having an iPace for a week that Jaguar told him had been updated with improved efficiency and he reported much better range than he previously experienced in earlier iPaces. Jaguar never really publicised this and I never saw any comment anywhere else - but people with cars new since then do seem to have better range and efficiency than drivers with earlier cars
Lord Flashheart said:
Of all the EVs, the Jag is the best looking for me by miles. The car I might buy is a stunning new HSE with best part of 8k worth of extras. I 'think' it will make me very happy.
I think so too and agreed that it’s the best looking EV (and one of the very best to drive). The HSE spec++ will not leave you wanting. Not being an EV expert, but driven the jag, Audi and merc(is the worst), and the school carpark has a few EVs now.. quite a few have the i pace in mid to high spec, and very surprised how the new Hyundai/kia cars are growing in popularity. All the I pace owners are very impressed with the car, especially the way it drives.
Range in winter is 170-200 depending on speed and driving style
When the weather is warmer all have no problem getting 200-240.
One owner has done 60k, and is very impressed with the reliability.
At the 50-75k mark, the I pace Imho is best ev.
People have different ideas of reliability, a buggy infotainment system is not something I care about. Being stranded or breaking down is a big issue for me.
I'm seriously considering an I pace l, it is the perfect size, steering feel, ride/handling is perfectly judged for uk roads, and interior exterior design is tastefully done.
Range in winter is 170-200 depending on speed and driving style
When the weather is warmer all have no problem getting 200-240.
One owner has done 60k, and is very impressed with the reliability.
At the 50-75k mark, the I pace Imho is best ev.
People have different ideas of reliability, a buggy infotainment system is not something I care about. Being stranded or breaking down is a big issue for me.
I'm seriously considering an I pace l, it is the perfect size, steering feel, ride/handling is perfectly judged for uk roads, and interior exterior design is tastefully done.
SWoll said:
TheDeuce said:
For the sake of transparency, on motorways I typically slip in behind a truck and let the car drive itself.
Out of interest was this your approach to long trips before getting an EV? Sounds a dreadful experience to me, but each to their own.TheDeuce is entitled to drive how he wishes, but sitting at 56mph behind a truck on my trip to and from Durham yesterday would have added about 1.5 hours to what was already a nearly 8 hour drive.....
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