An interesting time to be a car fan?

[ZesPak]

LasseV said:

Because 500hp, 1000km range and reasonable weight. BEV can't do that.

What FCEV does that?
The Hopium (?) seems just like a concept to me. I think a lot of hope and opium were actually involved.

You'd still need a stton of membranes OR batteries to provide 500hp.

[LasseV]

ZesPak said:

What FCEV does that?
The Hopium (?) seems just like a concept to me. I think a lot of hope and opium were actually involved.

You'd still need a stton of membranes OR batteries to provide 500hp.

Mission H24 endurance racer already has 680hp in full power mode. And BMW X5 h2 does have 370hp, so Hopium target is reasonable.

500hp, reasonable weight and long range is a very compelling package for gt car.

[ZesPak]

LasseV said:

Mission H24 endurance racer already has 680hp in full power mode. And BMW X5 h2 does have 370hp, so Hopium target is reasonable.

500hp, reasonable weight and long range is a very compelling package for gt car.

One is a racecar... the other one weighs 2.5 tonnes.

[LasseV]

ZesPak said:

One is a racecar... the other one weighs 2.5 tonnes.

It's a big SUV, of course it is heavy. It does weight same as plug in X5 tho.

[LasseV]

https://www.apricalecars.com

Unveiled today in FOS. Hydrogen hypercar. Weight 1000kg. Customer delivery starts early 2024. British company.

Edited by LasseV on Thursday 23 June 16:15

[LasseV]

LasseV said:

https://www.apricalecars.com

Unveiled today in FOS. Hydrogen hypercar. Weight 1000kg. Customer delivery starts early 2024. British company.

Edited by LasseV on Thursday 23 June 16:15

Second link to the autocar article:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/virite...

[Witchfinder]

BorkBorkBork said:

It just seems absolutely potty that ICE has been with us so long. It’s so archaic in today’s world. Why manufacturers waited so long to revisit the EV is puzzling too.

Battery energy density has only really got good enough in the last 10 years or so. Electric motors have been propelling trains around at silly speeds for decades. It wasn't the EV tech itself, but the batteries.

[Witchfinder]

LasseV said:

https://www.apricalecars.com
Unveiled today in FOS. Hydrogen hypercar. Weight 1000kg. Customer delivery starts early 2024. British company.

LMAO, a fuel cell car... that also uses a battery. I wonder how long it can sustain performance before the fuel cell can't keep up. And of course, hydrogen is a joke when it comes to efficiency.

Let's see if they are still in business at the end of next year.

[GT9]

Witchfinder said:

LasseV said:

https://www.apricalecars.com
Unveiled today in FOS. Hydrogen hypercar. Weight 1000kg. Customer delivery starts early 2024. British company.

LMAO, a fuel cell car... that also uses a battery. I wonder how long it can sustain performance before the fuel cell can't keep up. And of course, hydrogen is a joke when it comes to efficiency.

Let's see if they are still in business at the end of next year.

I think this sort of car is a good thing to have as a showcase for fuel cell propulsion systems. They aren't going to be making more than a handful so efficiency is not important at this point. I suspect that the hypercar is just to create interest the tech and the company, whilst they go looking for niche applications outside of the passenger car sector.

[TheDeuce]

GT9 said:

Witchfinder said:

LasseV said:

https://www.apricalecars.com
Unveiled today in FOS. Hydrogen hypercar. Weight 1000kg. Customer delivery starts early 2024. British company.

LMAO, a fuel cell car... that also uses a battery. I wonder how long it can sustain performance before the fuel cell can't keep up. And of course, hydrogen is a joke when it comes to efficiency.

Let's see if they are still in business at the end of next year.

I think this sort of car is a good thing to have as a showcase for fuel cell propulsion systems. They aren't going to be making more than a handful so efficiency is not important at this point. I suspect that the hypercar is just to create interest the tech and the company, whilst they go looking for niche applications outside of the passenger car sector.

I accept that HFC has worthwhile use in freight and cargo applications.. but are those industry leaders really going to care about a hypercar showcase?

Far better, if the tech really works, to convert a continent crossing truck to the tech at cost price as a showcase. If the prototype does its job and saves money along with the efficiency to blah about, job done.

[GT9]

TheDeuce said:

I accept that HFC has worthwhile use in freight and cargo applications.. but are those industry leaders really going to care about a hypercar showcase?

Far better, if the tech really works, to convert a continent crossing truck to the tech at cost price as a showcase. If the prototype does its job and saves money along with the efficiency to blah about, job done.

Viritech looks to me to be adopting a sound approach towards evolving green hydrogen for vehicles/craft. Their website indicates a focus on marine, HGVs, aircraft and hypercars. The hypercar product will undercut the weight of the electric hypercars, which in a very low volume sector where end-to-end efficiency is somewhat secondary, it potentially adds value to attract buyers yearning for something different to a galactic 1.5 ton EV hypercar. The price point is going to be in the Nevera/Evija range I guess. Target volume is around 10 cars a year. Enough to keep a decent group of people employed, whilst growing the marine/HGV/aerospace side.

I like what they are doing and would love to see a British technology company like this succeed.

[ZesPak]

LasseV said:

https://www.apricalecars.com

Unveiled today in FOS. Hydrogen hypercar. Weight 1000kg. Customer delivery starts early 2024. British company.

Tbh there's been masses of cars lauded "tesla beaters" and cars with true "1000km range", impressive performance stats and a price tag that'll blow everything out of the water.

I have high hopes for some of these. I hope Aptera and Nobe for example really make it, so much that I put my money where my mouth is.
I am a realist though, and as long as something will have deliveries not even 2 years from now (let's be honest), I call bullst.

Look at Tesla re the Cybertruck and Roadster, they actually have working prototypes for a couple of year, a lot of experience now building EV's and bringing them to market. And they can't even seem to make more of these.

I hope to be proven wrong and as I said, I believe that the move to EV (as per the title) can bring out some brilliant engineering in those smaller companies.
So I hope they succeed, but "early 2024" is a long time off.

[DMZ]

Witchfinder said:

LMAO, a fuel cell car... that also uses a battery. I wonder how long it can sustain performance before the fuel cell can't keep up. And of course, hydrogen is a joke when it comes to efficiency.

Let's see if they are still in business at the end of next year.

Efficiency, funny. It's a 1,000+bhp supercar that weighs 1,000kg if we believe the stats and if it works. Nobody is going to care about efficiency much like nobody cares about the efficiency of a V12. The interesting bit is that it's not some 2,500kg EV bore fest. There might be some little bit of inkling of hope for more interesting cars if this thing is real.

That said, I'm not sure why one wouldn't just buy a V12 and enjoy the full fat zero hassle experience. There are a few of them within the £1.5m price after all.

[JP__FOX]

DMZ said:

That said, I'm not sure why one wouldn't just buy a V12 and enjoy the full fat zero hassle experience. There are a few of them within the £1.5m price after all.

I don't think anyone spending £1.5m is likely to have this as their only car that they need to commute in

[LasseV]

DMZ said:

Efficiency, funny. It's a 1,000+bhp supercar that weighs 1,000kg if we believe the stats and if it works. Nobody is going to care about efficiency much like nobody cares about the efficiency of a V12. The interesting bit is that it's not some 2,500kg EV bore fest. There might be some little bit of inkling of hope for more interesting cars if this thing is real.

That said, I'm not sure why one wouldn't just buy a V12 and enjoy the full fat zero hassle experience. There are a few of them within the £1.5m price after all.

Why? Because zero emission. It is the future of transportation.

[anonymous-user]

DMZ said:

Witchfinder said:

LMAO, a fuel cell car... that also uses a battery. I wonder how long it can sustain performance before the fuel cell can't keep up. And of course, hydrogen is a joke when it comes to efficiency.

Let's see if they are still in business at the end of next year.

Efficiency, funny. It's a 1,000+bhp supercar that weighs 1,000kg if we believe the stats and if it works. Nobody is going to care about efficiency much like nobody cares about the efficiency of a V12. The interesting bit is that it's not some 2,500kg EV bore fest. There might be some little bit of inkling of hope for more interesting cars if this thing is real.

That said, I'm not sure why one wouldn't just buy a V12 and enjoy the full fat zero hassle experience. There are a few of them within the £1.5m price after all.

This car is a "EV bore fest" whatever that is. The fact it has a HFC is irrevelant, it's primarily a BEV, with a silent powertrain.

Werid people who have some irrational hate for EV's seem to latch on to hydrogen as some replacement for their beloved ICE, but lets be honest, you won't be able to tell the difference as a driver.......

I also think the "if we believe the stats" is important. If they can package all that at anywhere close to or under 1 tonne and keep anything near a practical, sensible level of interior space and NVH (for a hypercar, clearly it won't nearly be as good as a normal car in this respect) honestly, i'll be enourmously surprised...........

[OutInTheShed]

LasseV said:

DMZ said:

Efficiency, funny. It's a 1,000+bhp supercar that weighs 1,000kg if we believe the stats and if it works. Nobody is going to care about efficiency much like nobody cares about the efficiency of a V12. The interesting bit is that it's not some 2,500kg EV bore fest. There might be some little bit of inkling of hope for more interesting cars if this thing is real.

That said, I'm not sure why one wouldn't just buy a V12 and enjoy the full fat zero hassle experience. There are a few of them within the £1.5m price after all.

Why? Because zero emission. It is the future of transportation.

A 1000BHP 'car' is not the future of anything.

It might be zero tailpipe emission, but it's chronic overconsumption, lots of resources used to make something with very little function.

There might be some point to a dozen of them racing on a circuit, keeping lots of people entertained.

But on increasingly monitored public roads, I can see the market for these things shrinking to a point pretty soon.

[SWoll]

OutInTheShed said:

A 1000BHP 'car' is not the future of anything.

It might be zero tailpipe emission, but it's chronic overconsumption, lots of resources used to make something with very little function.

There might be some point to a dozen of them racing on a circuit, keeping lots of people entertained.

But on increasingly monitored public roads, I can see the market for these things shrinking to a point pretty soon.

It's not about driving them though, it's about being seen in them. Willy waving essentially, how many Ferraris, Lambo's or Porsche's do you think ever get driven beyond 5/10th's? Very, very few would be my guess but hasn't stopped them selling in great numbers.

[TheDeuce]

OutInTheShed said:

LasseV said:

DMZ said:

Efficiency, funny. It's a 1,000+bhp supercar that weighs 1,000kg if we believe the stats and if it works. Nobody is going to care about efficiency much like nobody cares about the efficiency of a V12. The interesting bit is that it's not some 2,500kg EV bore fest. There might be some little bit of inkling of hope for more interesting cars if this thing is real.

That said, I'm not sure why one wouldn't just buy a V12 and enjoy the full fat zero hassle experience. There are a few of them within the £1.5m price after all.

Why? Because zero emission. It is the future of transportation.

A 1000BHP 'car' is not the future of anything.

It might be zero tailpipe emission, but it's chronic overconsumption, lots of resources used to make something with very little function.

There might be some point to a dozen of them racing on a circuit, keeping lots of people entertained.

But on increasingly monitored public roads, I can see the market for these things shrinking to a point pretty soon.

I agree this particular car doesn't point to the future, HFC is absolutely not the future of cars.

But for as many years as I can remember people have gone on about over policed roads, no proper driving roads anymore etc..

All that has happened over the decades is cars have got progressively more powerful, and at a faster rate than they've got bloated. Today, anyone with a decent disposable income can buy a 1000hp+ car. In the world of EV, power is 'cheap', which why school mums with no real interest in cars other than wanting a 'green'(er) electric one are driving around with several hundred horsepower under their right foot.

Many EV's aren't fast because their target market demands it, they're fast simply because it doesn't cost very much more to make a fast one, so why not - it adds a little extra appeal. So big bhp has now become both cheap and casually accepted.

[LasseV]

OutInTheShed said:

A 1000BHP 'car' is not the future of anything.

It might be zero tailpipe emission, but it's chronic overconsumption, lots of resources used to make something with very little function.

There might be some point to a dozen of them racing on a circuit, keeping lots of people entertained.

But on increasingly monitored public roads, I can see the market for these things shrinking to a point pretty soon.

This is future of the hypercars. FCEV powertrain can have best sides from both worlds: low weight, long range and fast refill of ICE vehichle compined with huge power and zero emission of EV.

X5 hydrogen model does same thing albeit in lesser form. It has 2kwh battery+125kw FC stack and 370hp. This is the future. Small battery is best for enviroment and fuel cell stack is 100% recyclable.