An interesting time to be a car fan?
Discussion
TheDeuce said:
cerb4.5lee said:
For me it is getting less and less interesting if you are a car fan. I can just imagine how boring it would be at a car show when every car is electric. No noise or emotion whatsoever. 
Car magazines don't interest me as much anymore either, because most of the cars in the magazines are either hybrid or full electric, and those cars don't interest me. So being a car fan now is going downhill fast in my opinion.
I agree that a lot of what made interesting ICE cars interesting, is lost in the shift to EV. On the flip side, I find the capabilities of interesting EV's, interesting.Car magazines don't interest me as much anymore either, because most of the cars in the magazines are either hybrid or full electric, and those cars don't interest me. So being a car fan now is going downhill fast in my opinion.
And at a car event, you're forevermore going to see interesting ICE cars doing their thing. You'll also see EV's destroy the hill climbs and drag races. A big part of EV interest is technology driven, less soulful perhaps, but the development and application of technologies is for many people quite interesting.
I did some work for JLR on the European motorshow circuit for several years up until 2019, and in that time it went from the odd EV on show to pretty much every manufacturer in attendance giving a press release about it's EV ambitions and unveiling the latest electric models. There was no less interest that I witnessed, just different sorts of people pouring over the cars and asking different questions on the stands. When we launched the iPace, the level of interest was at fever pitch. Only the new Defender attracted more interest but that is obviously an icon and was a very long time baking before it finally arrived! Even then every second question from both press and public seemed to be about when they would finally put out an EV Range Rover..
Actually on that last point, there is a huge group of people that love their large and luxurious SUV's but for the last 10+ years such cars have attracted a lot of criticism - especially when they're utilised for nothing other than the school run or to pootle around town. That's why for that group, there is a lot of interest in EV alternatives. Rolls Royce drivers and customers are also naturally keen to shed the excessive pollution problem and 'go green'(er), hence the interest in their upcoming Spectre car.
I don't think there is a shortage of interest overall.
TheDeuce said:
A big part of EV interest is technology driven, less soulful perhaps, but the development and application of technologies is for many people quite interesting.
The problem is that the technology done well cannot be appreciated. No driver has ever said oh wow the battery chemistry in this car is so amazing or oh wow isn't the drag really low. It's therefore also hard to charge a premium for it beyond a certain point. Whereas in ICE with all the moving parts, you can really appreciate the clever engineering that goes into making all that work well and you can continuously marvel at it on a drive even if it's in a straight line.You can even feel what grade of fuel is in the car, so in ICE even the chemistry is noticeable.
DMZ said:
TheDeuce said:
A big part of EV interest is technology driven, less soulful perhaps, but the development and application of technologies is for many people quite interesting.
The problem is that the technology done well cannot be appreciated. No driver has ever said oh wow the battery chemistry in this car is so amazing or oh wow isn't the drag really low. It's therefore also hard to charge a premium for it beyond a certain point. Whereas in ICE with all the moving parts, you can really appreciate the clever engineering that goes into making all that work well and you can continuously marvel at it on a drive even if it's in a straight line.You can even feel what grade of fuel is in the car, so in ICE even the chemistry is noticeable.
If you view EV in direct comparison with ICE, you'll miss the point. Both have distinct advantages that any driver can enjoy.
DMZ said:
The problem is that the technology done well cannot be appreciated. No driver has ever said oh wow the battery chemistry in this car is so amazing or oh wow isn't the drag really low. It's therefore also hard to charge a premium for it beyond a certain point.
Whereas in ICE with all the moving parts, you can really appreciate the clever engineering that goes into making all that work well and you can continuously marvel at it on a drive even if it's in a straight line.You can even feel what grade of fuel is in the car, so in ICE even the chemistry is noticeable.
Interesting point that I hadn’t considered, but I feel the opposite, regarding the aerodynamics in particular. Whereas in ICE with all the moving parts, you can really appreciate the clever engineering that goes into making all that work well and you can continuously marvel at it on a drive even if it's in a straight line.You can even feel what grade of fuel is in the car, so in ICE even the chemistry is noticeable.
I'm glad you started your post with the term 'car fan' and not petrol head. I think petrol head has always been an incorrect term, as the majority of them actually like most things involving vehicles, be it petrol powered, diesel or 2 stroke and now perhaps electric.
A short while back, I was happy to criticise EVs. I'd call them soul-less and boring, especially for the spectator at a motoring event. I stand by that part still to a point, but I also decided it was wrong to criticise without actually experiencing ownership; so I bought a new iPace. I love it. I'm a convert but not a preacher. It does everything I could wish, and it does it very quietly. That quietness I've found eerily fascinating. I found the howl of my R8 V10 a beautiful thing, but with the iPace I'm not craving my V10 again.
As a 'car fan', I've not even considered a new driving style to suit my EV world. I realise that a lot of owners rabbit on about their daily achievements in the world of efficiency and KW Hours etc. How today they have managed more range than ever by slipstreaming and sticking to 50 mph, blah, blah, blah. But I'm just not doing that. I'm almost 'hooning'. The acceleration is brutal and addictive, so that's how I'm driving. I haven't lost any of the fun of my R8 to be honest. Today I started off with 100% charge. I drove from Sevenoaks to Tonbridge, then onto Southborough, then down to Deal to hook up with some friends. I then drove back home again. All of this was done without any consideration whatsoever for efficiency or economy. When I got back to Sevenoaks I had 70 miles range left and batteries at 30%. No range anxiety at all.
I honestly believe that 'car fans' should try an EV before they criticise them. They are likely to find there's still motoring pleasure, it'll just be different to what they're used to.
Imagine if EVs had come first and electricity was the bad guy. We all would have been conditioned by that just as we have been with ICEs. Then the first ICE cars turn up to replace the evil EV. What would we all be saying? 'Have you seen these t
ts driving around in ICE cars?'. 'Can you believe the noise they're making!'. 'In what world do the government think we're all going to queue up at this thing they're calling a petrol station to pour this fluid into our cars'. 'I've heard that these new ICE cars have to have oil and water poured in them regularly and if you don't, you'll need a new engine'. You could go on and on about the differences. It's just that we've been conditioned for 100 years to associate noise and heat etc with speed and excitement. People need to step outside of their mindset. Be more open minded and embrace the future.
A short while back, I was happy to criticise EVs. I'd call them soul-less and boring, especially for the spectator at a motoring event. I stand by that part still to a point, but I also decided it was wrong to criticise without actually experiencing ownership; so I bought a new iPace. I love it. I'm a convert but not a preacher. It does everything I could wish, and it does it very quietly. That quietness I've found eerily fascinating. I found the howl of my R8 V10 a beautiful thing, but with the iPace I'm not craving my V10 again.
As a 'car fan', I've not even considered a new driving style to suit my EV world. I realise that a lot of owners rabbit on about their daily achievements in the world of efficiency and KW Hours etc. How today they have managed more range than ever by slipstreaming and sticking to 50 mph, blah, blah, blah. But I'm just not doing that. I'm almost 'hooning'. The acceleration is brutal and addictive, so that's how I'm driving. I haven't lost any of the fun of my R8 to be honest. Today I started off with 100% charge. I drove from Sevenoaks to Tonbridge, then onto Southborough, then down to Deal to hook up with some friends. I then drove back home again. All of this was done without any consideration whatsoever for efficiency or economy. When I got back to Sevenoaks I had 70 miles range left and batteries at 30%. No range anxiety at all.
I honestly believe that 'car fans' should try an EV before they criticise them. They are likely to find there's still motoring pleasure, it'll just be different to what they're used to.
Imagine if EVs had come first and electricity was the bad guy. We all would have been conditioned by that just as we have been with ICEs. Then the first ICE cars turn up to replace the evil EV. What would we all be saying? 'Have you seen these t
ts driving around in ICE cars?'. 'Can you believe the noise they're making!'. 'In what world do the government think we're all going to queue up at this thing they're calling a petrol station to pour this fluid into our cars'. 'I've heard that these new ICE cars have to have oil and water poured in them regularly and if you don't, you'll need a new engine'. You could go on and on about the differences. It's just that we've been conditioned for 100 years to associate noise and heat etc with speed and excitement. People need to step outside of their mindset. Be more open minded and embrace the future.Lord Flashheart said:
I'm glad you started your post with the term 'car fan' and not petrol head. I think petrol head has always been an incorrect term, as the majority of them actually like most things involving vehicles, be it petrol powered, diesel or 2 stroke and now perhaps electric.
A short while back, I was happy to criticise EVs. I'd call them soul-less and boring, especially for the spectator at a motoring event. I stand by that part still to a point, but I also decided it was wrong to criticise without actually experiencing ownership; so I bought a new iPace. I love it. I'm a convert but not a preacher. It does everything I could wish, and it does it very quietly. That quietness I've found eerily fascinating. I found the howl of my R8 V10 a beautiful thing, but with the iPace I'm not craving my V10 again.
As a 'car fan', I've not even considered a new driving style to suit my EV world. I realise that a lot of owners rabbit on about their daily achievements in the world of efficiency and KW Hours etc. How today they have managed more range than ever by slipstreaming and sticking to 50 mph, blah, blah, blah. But I'm just not doing that. I'm almost 'hooning'. The acceleration is brutal and addictive, so that's how I'm driving. I haven't lost any of the fun of my R8 to be honest. Today I started off with 100% charge. I drove from Sevenoaks to Tonbridge, then onto Southborough, then down to Deal to hook up with some friends. I then drove back home again. All of this was done without any consideration whatsoever for efficiency or economy. When I got back to Sevenoaks I had 70 miles range left and batteries at 30%. No range anxiety at all.
I honestly believe that 'car fans' should try an EV before they criticise them. They are likely to find there's still motoring pleasure, it'll just be different to what they're used to.
Imagine if EVs had come first and electricity was the bad guy. We all would have been conditioned by that just as we have been with ICEs. Then the first ICE cars turn up to replace the evil EV. What would we all be saying? 'Have you seen these tts driving around in ICE cars?'. 'Can you believe the noise they're making!'. 'In what world do the government think we're all going to queue up at this thing they're calling a petrol station to pour this fluid into our cars'. 'I've heard that these new ICE cars have to have oil and water poured in them regularly and if you don't, you'll need a new engine'. You could go on and on about the differences. It's just that we've been conditioned for 100 years to associate noise and heat etc with speed and excitement. People need to step outside of their mindset. Be more open minded and embrace the future.
Glad you're still enjoying one of the best all round EV's there is A short while back, I was happy to criticise EVs. I'd call them soul-less and boring, especially for the spectator at a motoring event. I stand by that part still to a point, but I also decided it was wrong to criticise without actually experiencing ownership; so I bought a new iPace. I love it. I'm a convert but not a preacher. It does everything I could wish, and it does it very quietly. That quietness I've found eerily fascinating. I found the howl of my R8 V10 a beautiful thing, but with the iPace I'm not craving my V10 again.
As a 'car fan', I've not even considered a new driving style to suit my EV world. I realise that a lot of owners rabbit on about their daily achievements in the world of efficiency and KW Hours etc. How today they have managed more range than ever by slipstreaming and sticking to 50 mph, blah, blah, blah. But I'm just not doing that. I'm almost 'hooning'. The acceleration is brutal and addictive, so that's how I'm driving. I haven't lost any of the fun of my R8 to be honest. Today I started off with 100% charge. I drove from Sevenoaks to Tonbridge, then onto Southborough, then down to Deal to hook up with some friends. I then drove back home again. All of this was done without any consideration whatsoever for efficiency or economy. When I got back to Sevenoaks I had 70 miles range left and batteries at 30%. No range anxiety at all.
I honestly believe that 'car fans' should try an EV before they criticise them. They are likely to find there's still motoring pleasure, it'll just be different to what they're used to.
Imagine if EVs had come first and electricity was the bad guy. We all would have been conditioned by that just as we have been with ICEs. Then the first ICE cars turn up to replace the evil EV. What would we all be saying? 'Have you seen these t
ts driving around in ICE cars?'. 'Can you believe the noise they're making!'. 'In what world do the government think we're all going to queue up at this thing they're calling a petrol station to pour this fluid into our cars'. 'I've heard that these new ICE cars have to have oil and water poured in them regularly and if you don't, you'll need a new engine'. You could go on and on about the differences. It's just that we've been conditioned for 100 years to associate noise and heat etc with speed and excitement. People need to step outside of their mindset. Be more open minded and embrace the future.
I may have got the thread title right but we're still stuck with a forum called 'piston' heads. That's not going to age well over the coming decade..
Anyway, yes, I agree. It's the basis of most of my posts - EV is different and enjoyable in different ways. You can't only look at what is lost from ICE, you have to also look at what is new or improved by EV.
Also as you say, they're best enjoyed by just driving them as any other car, and revelling in the on tap acceleration. Not just for the sake of driving fast, but it's a joy to have a car that reacts so instantly to input. ICE cars have chased that goal for decades with various tech improvements such as fuel injection, variable vane/twin turbos, higher rpm etc. All that effort in terms of input response is leap frogged by an electric motor. We haven't changed path at all, we've just changed powertrain.
TheDeuce said:
Plenty of drivers have found other aspects of EV to be very exciting and fun. You don't have to be a geek to enjoy flat cornering and a perfect full power exit after the apex each time, or to marvel at the off the line pace.
If you view EV in direct comparison with ICE, you'll miss the point. Both have distinct advantages that any driver can enjoy.
Yet EV driver interaction is (so far) close to non-existent other than twirling the EPAS steering wheel and mashing a couple of pedals, all of which are filtered through a huge stack of software. Perfectly fine for everyday, driving but thoroughly dreadful for the enthusiast.If you view EV in direct comparison with ICE, you'll miss the point. Both have distinct advantages that any driver can enjoy.
Olivera said:
TheDeuce said:
Plenty of drivers have found other aspects of EV to be very exciting and fun. You don't have to be a geek to enjoy flat cornering and a perfect full power exit after the apex each time, or to marvel at the off the line pace.
If you view EV in direct comparison with ICE, you'll miss the point. Both have distinct advantages that any driver can enjoy.
Yet EV driver interaction is (so far) close to non-existent other than twirling the EPAS steering wheel and mashing a couple of pedals, all of which are filtered through a huge stack of software. Perfectly fine for everyday, driving but thoroughly dreadful for the enthusiast.If you view EV in direct comparison with ICE, you'll miss the point. Both have distinct advantages that any driver can enjoy.
Steve Sutcliffe and Jay don't agree with you either, and I'd suggest they've probably got a decent spectrum of ICE car experience with which to judge?
Olivera said:
TheDeuce said:
Plenty of drivers have found other aspects of EV to be very exciting and fun. You don't have to be a geek to enjoy flat cornering and a perfect full power exit after the apex each time, or to marvel at the off the line pace.
If you view EV in direct comparison with ICE, you'll miss the point. Both have distinct advantages that any driver can enjoy.
Yet EV driver interaction is (so far) close to non-existent other than twirling the EPAS steering wheel and mashing a couple of pedals, all of which are filtered through a huge stack of software. Perfectly fine for everyday, driving but thoroughly dreadful for the enthusiast.If you view EV in direct comparison with ICE, you'll miss the point. Both have distinct advantages that any driver can enjoy.
ICE = direct control (sometimes) of the process.
EV = a better process.
In any case, ICE pretty much all has power steering and fbw - at least going back as far as we've had EV. We can't judge EV by times before they existed. The only real difference is the powertrain, and the fact it's silent.
SWoll said:
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There's not a single EV that's been rated by Evo magazine (Sutcliffe, Catchpole, Meaden, Barker, Bovington etc) as anywhere near best in class to drive, and their Taycan review was quite damning about it's serious weight problem and the repercussions this has on handling. In fact I don't ever recall them stating any EV was particularly fun to drive, nor has one (IIRC) ever even been entered in their car of the year competition.Regarding JayEmm, I'd rather not watch any of that rotund blowhard's videos - he's not credible.
Olivera said:
SWoll said:
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There's not a single EV that's been rated by Evo magazine (Sutcliffe, Catchpole, Meaden, Barker, Bovington etc) as anywhere near best in class to drive, and their Taycan review was quite damning about it's serious weight problem and the repercussions this has on handling. In fact I don't ever recall them stating any EV was particularly fun to drive, nor has one (IIRC) ever even been entered in their car of the year competition.Regarding JayEmm, I'd rather not watch any of that rotund blowhard's videos - he's not credible.
I didn't suggest they were best in class, you suggested they offered nothing for an enthusiast to enjoy. So that's a strawman and an ad hominem in 2 paragraphs.
Here's Evo's Model 3 review BTW. 4 stars out of 5 and the comment "Incredible, otherworldly performance with some genuine dynamic nuance"
https://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/model-3
So it would appear your favourite magazine doesn't agree with your summation either?
TheDeuce said:
Plenty of drivers have found other aspects of EV to be very exciting and fun. You don't have to be a geek to enjoy flat cornering and a perfect full power exit after the apex each time, or to marvel at the off the line pace.
If you view EV in direct comparison with ICE, you'll miss the point. Both have distinct advantages that any driver can enjoy.
I probably don’t have a particularly high opinion of those “drivers” tbh but yes I agree they do exist. What you are talking about is what I call “point and click” driving which is interesting (for me) for about five mins or so. It’s not unique to EVs, point and click cars have existed for quite a while. Often with an Audi Quattro badge. The ICE equivalents tend to have incredible and effortless cross country pace that an EV can typically not replicate as weight becomes a problem when the going gets interesting as well as lack of acceleration at higher speeds so I think strictly speaking ICE is superior here also as a driving tool. If you view EV in direct comparison with ICE, you'll miss the point. Both have distinct advantages that any driver can enjoy.
SWoll said:
You watched the Sutcliffe video posted above yes? And ad hom attacks without any explanation or justification are very lazy.
I didn't suggest they were best in class, you suggested they offered nothing for an enthusiast to enjoy. So that's a strawman and an ad hominem in 2 paragraphs.
Here's Evo's Model 3 review BTW. 4 stars out of 5 and the comment "Incredible, otherworldly performance with some genuine dynamic nuance"
poor
https://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/model-3
So it would appear your favourite magazine doesn't agree with your summation either?
Ad-homs are justified when it's a fat youtuber without any credibility that makes clickbait videos I didn't suggest they were best in class, you suggested they offered nothing for an enthusiast to enjoy. So that's a strawman and an ad hominem in 2 paragraphs.
Here's Evo's Model 3 review BTW. 4 stars out of 5 and the comment "Incredible, otherworldly performance with some genuine dynamic nuance"
poor
https://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/model-3
So it would appear your favourite magazine doesn't agree with your summation either?
Neither of my posts stated that "they offered nothing for the enthusiast", but instead criticised driver interaction and the notion that they might be anywhere near best in class (for enthusiast drivers), which I think are very much valid points.
Let's not forget that it is very early days for EVs. Yes, a lot has been learned about suspension, steering etc. from ICE vehicles but EVs are still new, so why would anyone expect them to surpass the best ICE vehicles in their infancy?
I don't know where motoring is heading, but it is changing and we've no choice but to go with it, like it or not. One could argue that the modern ICE car has also lost the driver involvement that the classic car fans enjoy. I ran Nobles for 12 years and thoroughly enjoyed the lack of driver aids. I'd still enjoy one now if I had the money and space for more cars, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy EVs for what they currently are or their inevitable evolution.
I suspect the sports car of the future will be a low range EV with fewer batteries and super quick recharging in order to keep weight down and to improve handling. It 'might' even have a gearbox of sorts, (who knows?) as it would be all about fun and not just getting from A to B as efficiently as possible. Racing may have bulk battery changes at the same time as tyre changes.
It's even possible that ICE has gone as far as it can go in recent times and the EV has arrived just in time to keep the motoring fan curious as to what's next.
I don't know where motoring is heading, but it is changing and we've no choice but to go with it, like it or not. One could argue that the modern ICE car has also lost the driver involvement that the classic car fans enjoy. I ran Nobles for 12 years and thoroughly enjoyed the lack of driver aids. I'd still enjoy one now if I had the money and space for more cars, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy EVs for what they currently are or their inevitable evolution.
I suspect the sports car of the future will be a low range EV with fewer batteries and super quick recharging in order to keep weight down and to improve handling. It 'might' even have a gearbox of sorts, (who knows?) as it would be all about fun and not just getting from A to B as efficiently as possible. Racing may have bulk battery changes at the same time as tyre changes.
It's even possible that ICE has gone as far as it can go in recent times and the EV has arrived just in time to keep the motoring fan curious as to what's next.
Olivera said:
SWoll said:
You watched the Sutcliffe video posted above yes? And ad hom attacks without any explanation or justification are very lazy.
I didn't suggest they were best in class, you suggested they offered nothing for an enthusiast to enjoy. So that's a strawman and an ad hominem in 2 paragraphs.
Here's Evo's Model 3 review BTW. 4 stars out of 5 and the comment "Incredible, otherworldly performance with some genuine dynamic nuance"
poor
https://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/model-3
So it would appear your favourite magazine doesn't agree with your summation either?
Ad-homs are justified when it's a fat youtuber without any credibility that makes clickbait videos I didn't suggest they were best in class, you suggested they offered nothing for an enthusiast to enjoy. So that's a strawman and an ad hominem in 2 paragraphs.
Here's Evo's Model 3 review BTW. 4 stars out of 5 and the comment "Incredible, otherworldly performance with some genuine dynamic nuance"
poor
https://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/model-3
So it would appear your favourite magazine doesn't agree with your summation either?
Neither of my posts stated that "they offered nothing for the enthusiast", but instead criticised driver interaction and the notion that they might be anywhere near best in class (for enthusiast drivers), which I think are very much valid points.
Olivera said:
Yet EV driver interaction is (so far) close to non-existent other than twirling the EPAS steering wheel and mashing a couple of pedals, all of which are filtered through a huge stack of software. Perfectly fine for everyday, driving but thoroughly dreadful for the enthusiast.
Credibility you say? 
The lack of drama can also be a big advantage though. You can use more of an EV's performance more of the time without coming across as a lairy boy racer.
This applies inside the cabin as well as out. If I drop a cog in the TVR and give it the beans to overtake someone, my wife thinks I'm driving angry. Not so in the EV. A quick squirt of thethrottle
loud '+' pedal doesn't elicit the same 'slow down!' comments even though the speeds are similar.
Getting around cyclists is done in sweet serenity instead of scaring the st out of them.
Of course when driving for driving's sake, taking the ICE is the preferred option, but my EV replaced a 1.0L econobox for day to day stuff so it's a big upgrade.
This applies inside the cabin as well as out. If I drop a cog in the TVR and give it the beans to overtake someone, my wife thinks I'm driving angry. Not so in the EV. A quick squirt of the
Getting around cyclists is done in sweet serenity instead of scaring the s
t out of them.Of course when driving for driving's sake, taking the ICE is the preferred option, but my EV replaced a 1.0L econobox for day to day stuff so it's a big upgrade
.FarmyardPants said:
The lack of drama can also be a big advantage though. You can use more of an EV's performance more of the time without coming across as a lairy boy racer.
This applies inside the cabin as well as out. If I drop a cog in the TVR and give it the beans to overtake someone, my wife thinks I'm driving angry. Not so in the EV. A quick squirt of thethrottle
loud '+' pedal doesn't elicit the same 'slow down!' comments even though the speeds are similar.
Getting around cyclists is done in sweet serenity instead of scaring the st out of them.
Of course when driving for driving's sake, taking the ICE is the preferred option, but my EV replaced a 1.0L econobox for day to day stuff so it's a big upgrade.
Your EV obviously isn't fast enough. Tried the same trick numerous time in our Tesla and got told off every time after heads has met headrests at an alarming rate. This applies inside the cabin as well as out. If I drop a cog in the TVR and give it the beans to overtake someone, my wife thinks I'm driving angry. Not so in the EV. A quick squirt of the
Getting around cyclists is done in sweet serenity instead of scaring the s
t out of them.Of course when driving for driving's sake, taking the ICE is the preferred option, but my EV replaced a 1.0L econobox for day to day stuff so it's a big upgrade
.The quietness can also be an issue with cyclists as less likely to hear you coming, and I found one of the biggest challenges was that other road users just weren't calibrated to how quickly it could pick up speed so had to alter my driving style to suit as no sudden eruption of noise to warn them of what was about to happen.
Really do have to pick your moments, and in all honesty it was quite frustrating a lot of the time IME.
SWoll said:
FarmyardPants said:
The lack of drama can also be a big advantage though. You can use more of an EV's performance more of the time without coming across as a lairy boy racer.
This applies inside the cabin as well as out. If I drop a cog in the TVR and give it the beans to overtake someone, my wife thinks I'm driving angry. Not so in the EV. A quick squirt of thethrottle
loud '+' pedal doesn't elicit the same 'slow down!' comments even though the speeds are similar.
Getting around cyclists is done in sweet serenity instead of scaring the st out of them.
Of course when driving for driving's sake, taking the ICE is the preferred option, but my EV replaced a 1.0L econobox for day to day stuff so it's a big upgrade.
Your EV obviously isn't fast enough. Tried the same trick numerous time in our Tesla and got told off every time after heads has met headrests at an alarming rate. This applies inside the cabin as well as out. If I drop a cog in the TVR and give it the beans to overtake someone, my wife thinks I'm driving angry. Not so in the EV. A quick squirt of the
Getting around cyclists is done in sweet serenity instead of scaring the s
t out of them.Of course when driving for driving's sake, taking the ICE is the preferred option, but my EV replaced a 1.0L econobox for day to day stuff so it's a big upgrade
.The quietness can also be an issue with cyclists as less likely to hear you coming, and I found one of the biggest challenges was that other road users just weren't calibrated to how quickly it could pick up speed so had to alter my driving style to suit as no sudden eruption of noise to warn them of what was about to happen.
Really do have to pick your moments, and in all honesty it was quite frustrating a lot of the time IME.
Anyone annoyed by Peugeot drivers being useless on back roads or whilst attempting to join a dual carriageway is well advised to get an EV and blast past them.
SWoll said:
FarmyardPants said:
The lack of drama can also be a big advantage though. You can use more of an EV's performance more of the time without coming across as a lairy boy racer.
This applies inside the cabin as well as out. If I drop a cog in the TVR and give it the beans to overtake someone, my wife thinks I'm driving angry. Not so in the EV. A quick squirt of thethrottle
loud '+' pedal doesn't elicit the same 'slow down!' comments even though the speeds are similar.
Getting around cyclists is done in sweet serenity instead of scaring the st out of them.
Of course when driving for driving's sake, taking the ICE is the preferred option, but my EV replaced a 1.0L econobox for day to day stuff so it's a big upgrade.
Your EV obviously isn't fast enough. Tried the same trick numerous time in our Tesla and got told off every time after heads has met headrests at an alarming rate. This applies inside the cabin as well as out. If I drop a cog in the TVR and give it the beans to overtake someone, my wife thinks I'm driving angry. Not so in the EV. A quick squirt of the
Getting around cyclists is done in sweet serenity instead of scaring the s
t out of them.Of course when driving for driving's sake, taking the ICE is the preferred option, but my EV replaced a 1.0L econobox for day to day stuff so it's a big upgrade
.The quietness can also be an issue with cyclists as less likely to hear you coming, and I found one of the biggest challenges was that other road users just weren't calibrated to how quickly it could pick up speed so had to alter my driving style to suit as no sudden eruption of noise to warn them of what was about to happen.
Really do have to pick your moments, and in all honesty it was quite frustrating a lot of the time IME.
On reflection, not scaring cyclists is a downside of EVs
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