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Electric lead times seem to be better than diesel, it helps manufacturers pass CAFE regulations and they make more money out of them.
I'd be surprised if there is an electric van on sale today that would do this journey comfortably all year round and leave a margin for error if I'm honest.
TheDeuce said:
It's a very good idea to give the van a real world test - and a good and honest way to sell vans too, well done!
I would be somewhat surprised if a 200 mile official range van can do 110 miles at speed with 500kg in the back, and on a cold day... It would need to do it during a summer day with about 40 miles range left to be confident it'll do it when it's zero degrees.
I've not had a single electric van customer try and return a vehicle, it's all about making sure the van is fit for purpose. I'm on the fleet side of things, and if you get it wrong you can lost the customer for good so it's really not worth it.I would be somewhat surprised if a 200 mile official range van can do 110 miles at speed with 500kg in the back, and on a cold day... It would need to do it during a summer day with about 40 miles range left to be confident it'll do it when it's zero degrees.
Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 23 June 12:29
I'd be surprised if there is an electric van on sale today that would do this journey comfortably all year round and leave a margin for error if I'm honest.
Maxus E Deliver 3 or larger E Deliver 9
https://saicmaxus.co.uk/our-range/edeliver-9/
https://saicmaxus.co.uk/our-range/edeliver-9/
Edited by NS66 on Thursday 23 June 14:44
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Sorry for slow reply, it needs to be at least Transit sized, ideally slightly bigger floor area though.
And, I over estimated our range, which would be around 80 to 90 miles per run.
We will also have our 1.5 tonne Transit as back up.
Budget? Don’t really know? See what’s available then work out the feasibility, cost and use wise
And, I over estimated our range, which would be around 80 to 90 miles per run.
We will also have our 1.5 tonne Transit as back up.
Budget? Don’t really know? See what’s available then work out the feasibility, cost and use wise
TheDeuce said:
Smiljan said:
No, I agree with you even if it was tongue in cheek.
It's probably all irrelevant anyway as vans seem to be in a worse state for lead times than cars at the moment EV or not.
Yea, worse than the waiting time for cars on many cases I'm told.It's probably all irrelevant anyway as vans seem to be in a worse state for lead times than cars at the moment EV or not.
But if the desire for electric is tax related (if used as personal transport too), then BIK is pinned down low for years so it's still best to join the year++ queue.
The lead times keep growing so I guess a lot of people are doing just that.
OutInTheShed said:
Are there any hybrid vans?
Ford has a Transit Custom L1H1 with a 1.0 petrol ecoboost (124bhp).Apparently the MPG and performance is abysmal once the small battery (13,6kWh) is empty (15-25 miles) and it's very expensive! Even the range on petrol (combined) is limited to 300 miles.
If loaded up you'd be seeing <35mpg and 250 miles range.
Autoexpress Transit custom PHEV long-term-review
HelldogBE said:
OutInTheShed said:
Are there any hybrid vans?
Ford has a Transit Custom L1H1 with a 1.0 petrol ecoboost (124bhp).Apparently the MPG and performance is abysmal once the small battery (13,6kWh) is empty (15-25 miles) and it's very expensive! Even the range on petrol (combined) is limited to 300 miles.
If loaded up you'd be seeing <35mpg and 250 miles range.
Autoexpress Transit custom PHEV long-term-review
I don't think hybrid is suited to a van, tiny range on the battery amd a petrol engine. I can't see any upsides to it, I don't think most manufacturers can either. Its either full battery or diesel, and we're not quite there on battery yet.
Euro 7 regs will pretty much kill diesel vans, so there's a big push on EV now.
Euro 7 regs will pretty much kill diesel vans, so there's a big push on EV now.
HelldogBE said:
OutInTheShed said:
Are there any hybrid vans?
Ford has a Transit Custom L1H1 with a 1.0 petrol ecoboost (124bhp).Apparently the MPG and performance is abysmal once the small battery (13,6kWh) is empty (15-25 miles) and it's very expensive! Even the range on petrol (combined) is limited to 300 miles.
If loaded up you'd be seeing <35mpg and 250 miles range.
Autoexpress Transit custom PHEV long-term-review
Sounds like another hybrid effort just for the sake of it. I guess it saves a few quid on low emission zones here and there but you'd be dead before you did enough miles in such a slow and limited range van to recoup the upfront cost, Vs a second hand diesel.
I'm guessing it's not a big seller!?
mclwanB said:
Smiljan said:
Milkyway said:
Ford are showing their new electric Transit at Goodwood...Supervan 4.
( Might Not have a great load capacity or range though)
It just went up the hill on the live stream!( Might Not have a great load capacity or range though)
E transit custom isn't for sale yet
Legacywr said:
HelldogBE said:
OutInTheShed said:
Are there any hybrid vans?
Ford has a Transit Custom L1H1 with a 1.0 petrol ecoboost (124bhp).Apparently the MPG and performance is abysmal once the small battery (13,6kWh) is empty (15-25 miles) and it's very expensive! Even the range on petrol (combined) is limited to 300 miles.
If loaded up you'd be seeing <35mpg and 250 miles range.
Autoexpress Transit custom PHEV long-term-review
RicksAlfas said:
TheDeuce said:
It does make you wonder what the world's governments will do for van drivers when the ICE bans kick in.
Synthetic fuel.Same for maritime/aviation/classic cars/F1/ and the millions of ICE in use throughout the world where electric won't be practical.
A busy van driver covering diverse routes is going to be a stuck if they need to add 200 miles of range in their lunchbreak bit happen to be nowhere near a 100kw + charger. It's not really an issue for personal transport cars because it's not a big deal to take a detour to get to a charger or take a longer break at a slower charger. If you're at work however, and busy, it's going to be a problem.
NS66 said:
Maxus E Deliver 3 or larger E Deliver 9
https://saicmaxus.co.uk/our-range/edeliver-9/
DPD seem to have converted their entire fleet in my town to these - which would seem to be a reasonable endorsment of the vehicles.https://saicmaxus.co.uk/our-range/edeliver-9/
Edited by NS66 on Thursday 23 June 14:44
TheDeuce said:
Synthetic fuel is an improvement and great for those that run ICE vehicles in the future, but I'm talking about the incoming bans that rule out any solution other than BEV/HFC for new vans.
A busy van driver covering diverse routes is going to be a stuck if they need to add 200 miles of range in their lunchbreak bit happen to be nowhere near a 100kw + charger. It's not really an issue for personal transport cars because it's not a big deal to take a detour to get to a charger or take a longer break at a slower charger. If you're at work however, and busy, it's going to be a problem.
For that a lot of people are putting money into this kind of hydrogen generation: https://www.edfenergy.com/media-centre/news-releas...A busy van driver covering diverse routes is going to be a stuck if they need to add 200 miles of range in their lunchbreak bit happen to be nowhere near a 100kw + charger. It's not really an issue for personal transport cars because it's not a big deal to take a detour to get to a charger or take a longer break at a slower charger. If you're at work however, and busy, it's going to be a problem.
Various versions on the same idea being trialled all over the place. Can't see any of them and the required infrastructure being ready in time for the deadlines set mind you.
TheDeuce said:
Synthetic fuel is an improvement and great for those that run ICE vehicles in the future, but I'm talking about the incoming bans that rule out any solution other than BEV/HFC for new vans.
I'm sure the deadlines will move/flex slightly nearer the time. If not 2029 will be a bumper sales year! Payload is paramount for vans especially when keeping under the 3.5t limit so the weight of batteries is a major issue.I also suspect the ICE ban might become a "fossil fuel" ban so manufacturers will continue to make engines but they will be powered by synthetic fuels. There is nothing wrong with an ICE. The problem is what's going in it and coming out.
Munter said:
TheDeuce said:
Synthetic fuel is an improvement and great for those that run ICE vehicles in the future, but I'm talking about the incoming bans that rule out any solution other than BEV/HFC for new vans.
A busy van driver covering diverse routes is going to be a stuck if they need to add 200 miles of range in their lunchbreak bit happen to be nowhere near a 100kw + charger. It's not really an issue for personal transport cars because it's not a big deal to take a detour to get to a charger or take a longer break at a slower charger. If you're at work however, and busy, it's going to be a problem.
For that a lot of people are putting money into this kind of hydrogen generation: https://www.edfenergy.com/media-centre/news-releas...A busy van driver covering diverse routes is going to be a stuck if they need to add 200 miles of range in their lunchbreak bit happen to be nowhere near a 100kw + charger. It's not really an issue for personal transport cars because it's not a big deal to take a detour to get to a charger or take a longer break at a slower charger. If you're at work however, and busy, it's going to be a problem.
Various versions on the same idea being trialled all over the place. Can't see any of them and the required infrastructure being ready in time for the deadlines set mind you.
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