Electric Van

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Fast Bug

11,597 posts

160 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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Electric lead times seem to be better than diesel, it helps manufacturers pass CAFE regulations and they make more money out of them.

TheDeuce said:
It's a very good idea to give the van a real world test - and a good and honest way to sell vans too, well done!

I would be somewhat surprised if a 200 mile official range van can do 110 miles at speed with 500kg in the back, and on a cold day... It would need to do it during a summer day with about 40 miles range left to be confident it'll do it when it's zero degrees.

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 23 June 12:29
I've not had a single electric van customer try and return a vehicle, it's all about making sure the van is fit for purpose. I'm on the fleet side of things, and if you get it wrong you can lost the customer for good so it's really not worth it.

I'd be surprised if there is an electric van on sale today that would do this journey comfortably all year round and leave a margin for error if I'm honest.

NS66

179 posts

56 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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Maxus E Deliver 3 or larger E Deliver 9


https://saicmaxus.co.uk/our-range/edeliver-9/


Edited by NS66 on Thursday 23 June 14:44


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Legacywr

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12,017 posts

187 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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Sorry for slow reply, it needs to be at least Transit sized, ideally slightly bigger floor area though.

And, I over estimated our range, which would be around 80 to 90 miles per run.

We will also have our 1.5 tonne Transit as back up.

Budget? Don’t really know? See what’s available then work out the feasibility, cost and use wise smile

Evanivitch

19,802 posts

121 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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TheDeuce said:
Smiljan said:
No, I agree with you even if it was tongue in cheek.

It's probably all irrelevant anyway as vans seem to be in a worse state for lead times than cars at the moment EV or not.
Yea, worse than the waiting time for cars on many cases I'm told.

But if the desire for electric is tax related (if used as personal transport too), then BIK is pinned down low for years so it's still best to join the year++ queue.

The lead times keep growing so I guess a lot of people are doing just that.
long lead time on van fleet sales simply because the big van operators (Amazon, British Gas, Royal Mail, couriers) are buying huge orders in the thousands.

HelldogBE

285 posts

42 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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OutInTheShed said:
Are there any hybrid vans?
Ford has a Transit Custom L1H1 with a 1.0 petrol ecoboost (124bhp).
Apparently the MPG and performance is abysmal once the small battery (13,6kWh) is empty (15-25 miles) and it's very expensive! Even the range on petrol (combined) is limited to 300 miles.

If loaded up you'd be seeing <35mpg and 250 miles range.

Autoexpress Transit custom PHEV long-term-review

Legacywr

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12,017 posts

187 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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HelldogBE said:
OutInTheShed said:
Are there any hybrid vans?
Ford has a Transit Custom L1H1 with a 1.0 petrol ecoboost (124bhp).
Apparently the MPG and performance is abysmal once the small battery (13,6kWh) is empty (15-25 miles) and it's very expensive! Even the range on petrol (combined) is limited to 300 miles.

If loaded up you'd be seeing <35mpg and 250 miles range.

Autoexpress Transit custom PHEV long-term-review
It certainly seems that manufactures skipped the hybrid idea altogether, and concentrated on full electric.

Fast Bug

11,597 posts

160 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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I don't think hybrid is suited to a van, tiny range on the battery amd a petrol engine. I can't see any upsides to it, I don't think most manufacturers can either. Its either full battery or diesel, and we're not quite there on battery yet.

Euro 7 regs will pretty much kill diesel vans, so there's a big push on EV now.

tamore

6,781 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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i thought van ranges were quoted with about half load?

foggy

1,156 posts

281 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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As mentioned above, check out the Maxus vans eDeliver 3 and 9, both claiming 220ish miles max but a choice of battery sizes and payload to play off against one another.

200Plus Club

10,668 posts

277 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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Have use of a newish vw transporter with a claimed range of about 88miles, real world is actually 55-65miles depending on how heavy your right foot is. Drives ok, crap upright driving position, sometimes shunts while sorting out what gear it wants at low speed..

TheDeuce

21,271 posts

65 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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HelldogBE said:
OutInTheShed said:
Are there any hybrid vans?
Ford has a Transit Custom L1H1 with a 1.0 petrol ecoboost (124bhp).
Apparently the MPG and performance is abysmal once the small battery (13,6kWh) is empty (15-25 miles) and it's very expensive! Even the range on petrol (combined) is limited to 300 miles.

If loaded up you'd be seeing <35mpg and 250 miles range.

Autoexpress Transit custom PHEV long-term-review
Jeez... I can't work out who that van is designed for. Anyone doing 300+ miles needs a diesel. Anyone who wants electric obviously needs more than 20 odd miles.

Sounds like another hybrid effort just for the sake of it. I guess it saves a few quid on low emission zones here and there but you'd be dead before you did enough miles in such a slow and limited range van to recoup the upfront cost, Vs a second hand diesel.

I'm guessing it's not a big seller!?

mclwanB

600 posts

244 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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Smiljan said:
Milkyway said:
Ford are showing their new electric Transit at Goodwood...Supervan 4.
( Might Not have a great load capacity or range though)
It just went up the hill on the live stream!
Range is 20km albeit at racing pace... wink

E transit custom isn't for sale yet

TheDeuce

21,271 posts

65 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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mclwanB said:
Smiljan said:
Milkyway said:
Ford are showing their new electric Transit at Goodwood...Supervan 4.
( Might Not have a great load capacity or range though)
It just went up the hill on the live stream!
Range is 20km albeit at racing pace... wink

E transit custom isn't for sale yet
It does make you wonder what the world's governments will do for van drivers when the ICE bans kick in. I mean.. electric vans that need to carry a load really can't do the job right now, the range is too limited for many users. EV cars will be fine for most people but vans is a different story for many - myself included.how am I supposed to drive a 400 mile round trip and also spend 12 hours on set? I don't want to add an extra hour of charge time on the way there and back.

Silvanus

5,146 posts

22 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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Legacywr said:
HelldogBE said:
OutInTheShed said:
Are there any hybrid vans?
Ford has a Transit Custom L1H1 with a 1.0 petrol ecoboost (124bhp).
Apparently the MPG and performance is abysmal once the small battery (13,6kWh) is empty (15-25 miles) and it's very expensive! Even the range on petrol (combined) is limited to 300 miles.

If loaded up you'd be seeing <35mpg and 250 miles range.

Autoexpress Transit custom PHEV long-term-review
It certainly seems that manufactures skipped the hybrid idea altogether, and concentrated on full electric.
Guy at work is using a Transit PHEV, absolutely abysmal thing, electric range is terrible and the fuel consumption with the engine only is awful. The usual vans the guys out travelling use are Mitsubishi outlander PHEVs, they might as well drive V8s with a scalexrric motor and a AAA battery as they would be more economical with a better range. Both are terrible vehicles and only used for greenwashing. Everyone has complained and looks like they are going to change to diesel single cab pickups.

RicksAlfas

13,355 posts

243 months

Monday 27th June 2022
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TheDeuce said:
It does make you wonder what the world's governments will do for van drivers when the ICE bans kick in.
Synthetic fuel.
Same for maritime/aviation/classic cars/F1/ and the millions of ICE in use throughout the world where electric won't be practical.

TheDeuce

21,271 posts

65 months

Monday 27th June 2022
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RicksAlfas said:
TheDeuce said:
It does make you wonder what the world's governments will do for van drivers when the ICE bans kick in.
Synthetic fuel.
Same for maritime/aviation/classic cars/F1/ and the millions of ICE in use throughout the world where electric won't be practical.
Synthetic fuel is an improvement and great for those that run ICE vehicles in the future, but I'm talking about the incoming bans that rule out any solution other than BEV/HFC for new vans.

A busy van driver covering diverse routes is going to be a stuck if they need to add 200 miles of range in their lunchbreak bit happen to be nowhere near a 100kw + charger. It's not really an issue for personal transport cars because it's not a big deal to take a detour to get to a charger or take a longer break at a slower charger. If you're at work however, and busy, it's going to be a problem.


Bannock

4,462 posts

29 months

Monday 27th June 2022
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NS66 said:
Maxus E Deliver 3 or larger E Deliver 9


https://saicmaxus.co.uk/our-range/edeliver-9/

Edited by NS66 on Thursday 23 June 14:44
DPD seem to have converted their entire fleet in my town to these - which would seem to be a reasonable endorsment of the vehicles.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Monday 27th June 2022
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TheDeuce said:
Synthetic fuel is an improvement and great for those that run ICE vehicles in the future, but I'm talking about the incoming bans that rule out any solution other than BEV/HFC for new vans.

A busy van driver covering diverse routes is going to be a stuck if they need to add 200 miles of range in their lunchbreak bit happen to be nowhere near a 100kw + charger. It's not really an issue for personal transport cars because it's not a big deal to take a detour to get to a charger or take a longer break at a slower charger. If you're at work however, and busy, it's going to be a problem.
For that a lot of people are putting money into this kind of hydrogen generation: https://www.edfenergy.com/media-centre/news-releas...

Various versions on the same idea being trialled all over the place. Can't see any of them and the required infrastructure being ready in time for the deadlines set mind you.

RicksAlfas

13,355 posts

243 months

Monday 27th June 2022
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TheDeuce said:
Synthetic fuel is an improvement and great for those that run ICE vehicles in the future, but I'm talking about the incoming bans that rule out any solution other than BEV/HFC for new vans.
I'm sure the deadlines will move/flex slightly nearer the time. If not 2029 will be a bumper sales year! Payload is paramount for vans especially when keeping under the 3.5t limit so the weight of batteries is a major issue.

I also suspect the ICE ban might become a "fossil fuel" ban so manufacturers will continue to make engines but they will be powered by synthetic fuels. There is nothing wrong with an ICE. The problem is what's going in it and coming out.

TheDeuce

21,271 posts

65 months

Monday 27th June 2022
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Munter said:
TheDeuce said:
Synthetic fuel is an improvement and great for those that run ICE vehicles in the future, but I'm talking about the incoming bans that rule out any solution other than BEV/HFC for new vans.

A busy van driver covering diverse routes is going to be a stuck if they need to add 200 miles of range in their lunchbreak bit happen to be nowhere near a 100kw + charger. It's not really an issue for personal transport cars because it's not a big deal to take a detour to get to a charger or take a longer break at a slower charger. If you're at work however, and busy, it's going to be a problem.
For that a lot of people are putting money into this kind of hydrogen generation: https://www.edfenergy.com/media-centre/news-releas...

Various versions on the same idea being trialled all over the place. Can't see any of them and the required infrastructure being ready in time for the deadlines set mind you.
Anything that requires an infrastructure is hamstrung unless a majority of cars actually need that infrastructure. Forcing everyone to go BEV sooner or later will easily support the required charger infrastructure. But installation of thousands of hydrogen pumps and delivery trucks to keep them topped up if the only vehicles that use the stuff are a tiny % that really can't make do with a simpler BEV..? I don't see that happening either.