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Terry Winks said:
Interesting read, as per the Honda E thread the E-UP/Mii is also in contention, it seems to me this is where the EV is best suited, small city car usage, never straying that far from base. But the whole world wants SUV’s and in a small car you must be some lowly peasant.
I wonder if the city car label does it more harm. Living in a small rural town nearly all the houses have drives which can take a couple of cars or more and provide home charging. It has a higher proportion of elderly and retired who either travel short distances or have access to other cars. It seems ideal for an EV runabout which would probably do the vast majority of journeys.Edited by Tony33 on Wednesday 12th April 14:59
stickylabels said:
Experiment time yesterday. As said, temps are increasing and range increasing too. I had the range up to 166 miles potential last weekend. Yesterday with 140 showing we tried a trip along the dual carriageway. Despite being in 'eco', heater etc all of as it was quite warm and the cruise set to a sensible 58-60 mph we arrived at our destination 28.7 miles away with just 71 miles range left......The first 5 miles were in the 'burbs with 5.4 m.kwh showing. We arrived with an average of 4.3 m/kwh.
Now whichever side of the fence you sit (and as stated by me when I began this thread) the whole idea of this is to discover first hand the ups and downs of an ev. That is extremely poor whichever way you cut it and whatever reasons/excuses you offer up not really good enough. The Fiesta for example would have consumed well under 1 gallon of fuel.
We returned a different route using small country roads, through villages etc and the Mii was able to redeem itself and arrived home with an average of 4.8m/kwh and 55 miles showing.
As said, it was a fair test and we continue to enjoy it for all the short local stuff where it does excel, the 5 series was brought out of hibernation for todays longer drive, horses for courses etc!
I wonder if the poor result was down to using cruise control, or maybe just driving into a head wind? I managed to get 4.8m/kWh over 32 miles on Monday, which ordinarily is nothing to write home about, but half the journey was spent flat out (83ish) on the M40. Now whichever side of the fence you sit (and as stated by me when I began this thread) the whole idea of this is to discover first hand the ups and downs of an ev. That is extremely poor whichever way you cut it and whatever reasons/excuses you offer up not really good enough. The Fiesta for example would have consumed well under 1 gallon of fuel.
We returned a different route using small country roads, through villages etc and the Mii was able to redeem itself and arrived home with an average of 4.8m/kwh and 55 miles showing.
As said, it was a fair test and we continue to enjoy it for all the short local stuff where it does excel, the 5 series was brought out of hibernation for todays longer drive, horses for courses etc!
There was a slight wind but not much, the reason I ended up using the CC was because the range was falling as rapidly as it did. Add in we were in 'eco', heater off and only 2 up and the numbers weren't great unfortunately.
Haven't had it up to max leptons (yet) but it was 'ok' to chuck about on the country roads in a 2 dimensional way on the way back once we knew we were fine range wise.
Its a fine wee car in its comfort zone, go out of that and not so much and as said at the beginning of this (ahem) journey, I have zero intentions of using/joining the UKs charging network. Any sitting around will be done at home! Did give it a proper wash, clay bar, wash, polish and waxing though.
Haven't had it up to max leptons (yet) but it was 'ok' to chuck about on the country roads in a 2 dimensional way on the way back once we knew we were fine range wise.
Its a fine wee car in its comfort zone, go out of that and not so much and as said at the beginning of this (ahem) journey, I have zero intentions of using/joining the UKs charging network. Any sitting around will be done at home! Did give it a proper wash, clay bar, wash, polish and waxing though.
Danm1les said:
We are looking at getting into the e-mii/e-up world, we do not do any big miles and 90% of it is very local. So a small cheap to run EV would be ideal.
Does anyone have much experience in long term ownership and or having a child seat in the back?
I've had ours for about 18 months now, how long term were you thinking?Does anyone have much experience in long term ownership and or having a child seat in the back?
What info do you need on the child seat? We don't have one in the back but we have had them fitted from time to time when the Wife has been out with Friends.
bowder said:
I have the same, petrol, not EV, and two child seats are no problem.
somouk said:
I've had ours for about 18 months now, how long term were you thinking?
What info do you need on the child seat? We don't have one in the back but we have had them fitted from time to time when the Wife has been out with Friends.
Perfect, thanks!What info do you need on the child seat? We don't have one in the back but we have had them fitted from time to time when the Wife has been out with Friends.
OK, wee update. Continue to enjoy the car with 7miles/kwh showing over 5 hrs use on a sunny Monday past for start/stop suburban use (@ 49 miles). Had been getting annoyed at the noise coming from the boot area. Took out spare wheel etc and stuck down some left over sound deadening I had in the garage in the spare wheel well and the sides of the boot itself (all painted shouty metal surfaces). Much better when driving so tempted to get some more inside the rear hatch and doors.
stickylabels said:
OK, wee update. Continue to enjoy the car with 7miles/kwh showing over 5 hrs use on a sunny Monday past for start/stop suburban use (@ 49 miles). Had been getting annoyed at the noise coming from the boot area. Took out spare wheel etc and stuck down some left over sound deadening I had in the garage in the spare wheel well and the sides of the boot itself (all painted shouty metal surfaces). Much better when driving so tempted to get some more inside the rear hatch and doors.
It is quite a noisy car but adding sound deadening will also add mass so may effect efficiency overall. It's not one of those cars that has plush finishes to help deaden the sounds around the cabin.I've only added around 1/2 kg of sound deadening pads. There will be no discernible difference in efficiency at all. Mondays peak efficiency recorded is testament to that. The difference in 'tin can' drumming from the rear is very tangible though making the car more pleasant to use. If you pull back the carpet/sound deadening felt from around the front bulkhead they have had to put in quite a lot of material in those areas but nothing at all in the boot area. That simply smacks of penny pinching. If I put a small amount in the doors, not only will it help quiet things further, but it should help the crappy 'stereo' sound a little better too!
Glad it's going well. After Mrs JQ ordered an e-up in 2021, it's finally due to arrive in July. It's also our first EV, so following this thread with interest. We don't intend getting a charger due to minimal miles it'll do and the fact my wife can charge the car at work.
Can't wait for it to arrive.
Can't wait for it to arrive.
Autotrader is suddenly awash with cheap 22 and 72 reg e-ups with <100 miles on the clock all going for less than £18k. Cancelled fleet order supposedly. All the plates begin 'MM22' or 'MM72'. Seems a bit odd when private buyers have been waiting over a year for their cars and until very recently these cars would have been advertised at list price or even above.
Yes, some bizarre pricing going on there. My one has most certainly dropped in value a good £2-3k in just 8 weeks. So much for the better residuals mentioned by others earlier in the thread.....My Fiesta hasn't dropped a penny in the last 14 months and that pays for rather a lot of unleaded no matter how pro EV you are. For the sake of balance, I did benefit tax wise but not everyone will be in that position.
Positives though are an average of 5.8 miles/kWh over the last 1000 miles and a very warm Thursday last week when fully charged showed an anticipated range of 199 miles according to the display. Tried to nudge it up to 200 but no joy!
So, swings and roundabouts continue.
Positives though are an average of 5.8 miles/kWh over the last 1000 miles and a very warm Thursday last week when fully charged showed an anticipated range of 199 miles according to the display. Tried to nudge it up to 200 but no joy!
So, swings and roundabouts continue.
Sorry JQ, I don't have that info as we have a solar system with battery storage (12 Kw). We don't have a smart meter ( too big brother for me) and when reading the various articles on cheap rate electricity from Octopus etc for overnight charging there is always a catch such as more expensive daytime tariff and prices being checked/changed every 30 minutes. We work from home so this would work out more expensive in the long run from my fag packet calculations.
I try to do the majority of charging via the panels/batteries when possible or slow overnight charging if the weather is poor. Swings and roundabouts again but it seems to be working so far as I have just reduced our monthly payment for g&e and plan to do so again as long as we remain in credit. The benefit I feel in regard to the Mii is the battery is small, car not too bad weight wise and we only use it for local start stop trips which is where it is very good indeed. As stated earlier in the thread, it is not particularly good range wise on the bigger faster roads unfortunately. If someone ever manages to sort that then win win.
I try to do the majority of charging via the panels/batteries when possible or slow overnight charging if the weather is poor. Swings and roundabouts again but it seems to be working so far as I have just reduced our monthly payment for g&e and plan to do so again as long as we remain in credit. The benefit I feel in regard to the Mii is the battery is small, car not too bad weight wise and we only use it for local start stop trips which is where it is very good indeed. As stated earlier in the thread, it is not particularly good range wise on the bigger faster roads unfortunately. If someone ever manages to sort that then win win.
For balance the Ovo example somewhat muddles the real figures. Done purely on the scientific calculation of miles per gallon equivalent then
mpge = mi/kWh x 33.705. Therefore the current 5.8 m/kWh gives an equivalency of 195.48 mpg. A more common 4 kWh car would be 134mpg using maths.
When you then add in different costs for both electric and fuel then everything of course moves again. The more common (keeping the sums simple!) 30p Kw from say Octopus would divide the 341 mpg example given to 'just' 113 mpg. Charge up on the motorway at the daft prices and you can easily slash that down to an efficient petrol car equivalent if you weren't careful.
At this time of year I am approximately 50/50 grid/solar so lets say 15p kW giving roughly 175 mpg.
mpge = mi/kWh x 33.705. Therefore the current 5.8 m/kWh gives an equivalency of 195.48 mpg. A more common 4 kWh car would be 134mpg using maths.
When you then add in different costs for both electric and fuel then everything of course moves again. The more common (keeping the sums simple!) 30p Kw from say Octopus would divide the 341 mpg example given to 'just' 113 mpg. Charge up on the motorway at the daft prices and you can easily slash that down to an efficient petrol car equivalent if you weren't careful.
At this time of year I am approximately 50/50 grid/solar so lets say 15p kW giving roughly 175 mpg.
stickylabels said:
For balance the Ovo example somewhat muddles the real figures. Done purely on the scientific calculation of miles per gallon equivalent then
mpge = mi/kWh x 33.705. Therefore the current 5.8 m/kWh gives an equivalency of 195.48 mpg. A more common 4 kWh car would be 134mpg using maths.
When you then add in different costs for both electric and fuel then everything of course moves again. The more common (keeping the sums simple!) 30p Kw from say Octopus would divide the 341 mpg example given to 'just' 113 mpg. Charge up on the motorway at the daft prices and you can easily slash that down to an efficient petrol car equivalent if you weren't careful.
At this time of year I am approximately 50/50 grid/solar so lets say 15p kW giving roughly 175 mpg.
Surely using realistic costs is sensible. We've been running our Born exclusively over the last 5000miles since March on 10p/kWh. So I thought that fair to use. The petrol cost of £1.30 per litre seemed to be on the conservative end of what is commonly available. So all in all, pretty reasonable numbers i'd have thought?!mpge = mi/kWh x 33.705. Therefore the current 5.8 m/kWh gives an equivalency of 195.48 mpg. A more common 4 kWh car would be 134mpg using maths.
When you then add in different costs for both electric and fuel then everything of course moves again. The more common (keeping the sums simple!) 30p Kw from say Octopus would divide the 341 mpg example given to 'just' 113 mpg. Charge up on the motorway at the daft prices and you can easily slash that down to an efficient petrol car equivalent if you weren't careful.
At this time of year I am approximately 50/50 grid/solar so lets say 15p kW giving roughly 175 mpg.
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